Greg Price
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SmokingFlax
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He's affiliated (somehow) with Reg Barrow and Still Waters Revival Books. I can't recall the name of the church ...I believe they're up in Edmonton(?). There are a number of his sermons on the SWRB cd collection. Some people feel that they're a bit schismatic (I believe) due to the fact that they are insistent upon holding to the various historic national covenants since the Solemn League and Covenant.
Myself, I have a hard time listening to him because of his nasal tone voice and he smacks his lips every other sentence...I'm not sure what that says about me though...
Myself, I have a hard time listening to him because of his nasal tone voice and he smacks his lips every other sentence...I'm not sure what that says about me though...
Years ago when I was in Quantico, J. Vernon McGee used to come on the radio at 0530 in the morning. I would be driving to the gym and I would hear the "theme" music "How Firm a Foundation" that warned me his show was about to start. I would nearly drive off the road trying to change the channel before I had to listen to him talk. Not only was his theology poor but his Huckleberry Hound voice drove me nuts. I think, perhaps, irritating voices or habits are amplified when you do not like the teaching to begin with.
Sorry to get off topic but that made me laugh.
cupotea
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Greg Price is a very good man. His church is the Reformed Presbytery of North America (RPNA). Strictly covenanter, insisting upon the validity of both the National and Solemn League & Covenant.
He's easier to read than to listen to. But perhaps in person he's better. But then, I used to be turned away by J. Vernon McGee ... until I was able to get past his accent. Though he was an arminian dispensationalist, his down-home illustrations were excellent and I learned from him.
Perhaps the same goes for Greg Price. I've got most, if not all, of his sermons on my MP3, but I'm listening to Joe Morecraft instead.
LadyCalvinist
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I worshipped at his church, (actually his house) which is now near Albany, NY, for a year. In person he is genial, kind, and sincere. I agree he is much easier to listen to in person than on tape. I was very impressed with his church and the members there until they told me that they were the only true church and it would be a sin for me to worship anywhere else (including the OPC or the RPCNA which they split from). As was said above they are strictly covenanter, and believe that the Solemn League and Covenant is still binding even on the US. While in many ways I admire them and what they believe in, I realized that there were too many things I disagreed with them about I left the church.
I cannot speak to the membership, but Greg Price was not RPCNA that I recall. I believe but cannot say for sure that his credentials had been transferred from the OPC to the Reformation Presbyterian presbytery (my church's presbytery) before the Steelite schism. I am very glad Diane that you did not stay with them.
I don't disagree that Price may not be on the ball on many things, but the Steelite error is dangerous and I wouldn't want any getting sucked into their clutches because of some of the honey. In other words, others are sound on the same topics so go to them rather than to a schismatic who thinks they have the only true visible church on earth. in my opinion.
LadyCalvinist
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To clarify, you are right, Greg Price was OPC. However, the denomination's roots are with the RPCNA. In the 19th Century David Steele was a pastor there and felt that RPCNA had drifted away from Covenanter attainments. I am not certain if he left the denomination or not but the RPNA has been strongly influenced by him.
As far as I know what happened was that when Still Waters started republishing the Covenanter works some people who were involved in that work felt that all the modern Presbyterian churches did not measure up, that they had fallen away from Covenanter attainments (I soon learned that attainments is one of their favorite words). They see themselves as reviving the work that Steele started, and that they are the only true covenanters on earth.
However, many of his sermons I have found profitable.
[Edited on 2-28-2006 by LadyCalvinist]
As far as I know what happened was that when Still Waters started republishing the Covenanter works some people who were involved in that work felt that all the modern Presbyterian churches did not measure up, that they had fallen away from Covenanter attainments (I soon learned that attainments is one of their favorite words). They see themselves as reviving the work that Steele started, and that they are the only true covenanters on earth.
However, many of his sermons I have found profitable.
[Edited on 2-28-2006 by LadyCalvinist]
JOwen
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Greg Price is the most dangerous kind of minister there is. He will "kindly", and "nicely" ask you to split your Church, ripping apart the family of Christ. I was a member of the PRCE (now the RPNA) in another life. Stay away from him and his schism.
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Jerrold
Kind regards,
Jerrold
Originally posted by NaphtaliPress
I don't disagree that Price may not be on the ball on many things, but the Steelite error is dangerous and I wouldn't want any getting sucked into their clutches because of some of the honey. In other words, others are sound on the same topics so go to them rather than to a schismatic who thinks they have the only true visible church on earth. in my opinion.
I agree. It would take a discerning mind to be able to reject the schismatism (is that a word?) and accept the good.
It's a word now.
Or was that stigmatism.
Or was that stigmatism.
cupotea
Puritan Board Junior
I'm very impressed w/Dr. Bacon. I've even got a 3-month trial subscription to the Confessional Presbyterian. His "A Defense Departed" is quite good in many ways, but I'm not sure it fully answers the Steelites insistence upon the 3 covenants, especially as regards the esse vs. bene esse. However, I DO like Todd Ruddell's letter to Price from 1997.
The heated responses seen here regarding Greg Price also seems to indicate more passion than reason.
I must say that their (the RPNA's) stance against "occasional hearing" is a bit much. But does it have historical grounding? Did the original covenanters say the same thing? I don't know myself, just asking.
Kevin,
Jerrold would know more about the occasional hearing roots than I would. And I'm afraid the trial subscription is for the very occasional Blue Banner rather than the Confessional Presbyterian. You'll have to "pay" to get the latter. http://www.cpjournal.com
As far as more emotion than reason in the posts here, all I can say is, you lose some sheep to these folks or have a church split by them, and you might emote a bit about it as well!
[Edited on 2-28-2006 by NaphtaliPress]
Jerrold would know more about the occasional hearing roots than I would. And I'm afraid the trial subscription is for the very occasional Blue Banner rather than the Confessional Presbyterian. You'll have to "pay" to get the latter.
http://www.cpjournal.comAs far as more emotion than reason in the posts here, all I can say is, you lose some sheep to these folks or have a church split by them, and you might emote a bit about it as well!
[Edited on 2-28-2006 by NaphtaliPress]
RamistThomist
Puritanboard Clerk
Originally posted by SemperFideles
Years ago when I was in Quantico, J. Vernon McGee used to come on the radio at 0530 in the morning. I would be driving to the gym and I would hear the "theme" music "How Firm a Foundation" that warned me his show was about to start. I would nearly drive off the road trying to change the channel before I had to listen to him talk. Not only was his theology poor but his Huckleberry Hound voice drove me nuts. I think, perhaps, irritating voices or habits are amplified when you do not like the teaching to begin with.
Sorry to get off topic but that made me laugh.
Are you kidding? That accent is golden! It is folksy and downhome!
cupotea
Puritan Board Junior
Originally posted by NaphtaliPress
And I'm afraid the trial subscription is for the very occasional Blue Banner rather than the Confessional Presbyterian. You'll have to "pay" to get the latter.
As far as more emotion than reason in the posts here, all I can say is, you lose some sheep to these folks or have a church split by them, and you might emote a bit about it as well!
You're right about the Blue Banner. The CP only comes out once a year.
As far as the emotion goes, believe me I understand. Going through much of that at the present moment regarding the sodomists and the ELCA.
The point is that such passion is not God-honoring.
Reformingstudent
Puritan Board Junior
Would most here consider Greg Price and the Steelites a cult than?
Do not mean to sound harsh but after reading some of the things that have been written about them and their view that they alone are the only truly Reformed church in the world, (If I remember correctly, one of them once refer ed to the PCA as reformed lite or de-formed) and if so then they alone have the truth and the rest of us should leave our denominations and join with them. http://www.swrb.com/newslett/actualNLs/pcabad.htm
If this is the case then are they any different then the people who run Ouside the Camp or Harold Camping and his followers?
http://www.outsidethecamp.org/
http://www.familyradioiswrong.com/
Do not mean to sound harsh but after reading some of the things that have been written about them and their view that they alone are the only truly Reformed church in the world, (If I remember correctly, one of them once refer ed to the PCA as reformed lite or de-formed) and if so then they alone have the truth and the rest of us should leave our denominations and join with them. http://www.swrb.com/newslett/actualNLs/pcabad.htm
If this is the case then are they any different then the people who run Ouside the Camp or Harold Camping and his followers?
http://www.outsidethecamp.org/
http://www.familyradioiswrong.com/
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