Having dinner with a homesexual couple

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My nephew is gay and he may be visiting near where I live with his boyfriend. They will not be staying with me, as I would not allow them to sleep in the same bed/room.

Is it affirming of their relationship to share a meal together? I tend to extend this to how I would handle other examples of inappropriate relationships in that I would certainly not participate in by ways of spending time with them as a couple (ie. a man cheating on his wife wanting to bring the other woman over). I am struggling how this would be done faithfully and in wisdom with them as a couple.
 
I'd do it and not do hard sell evangelism, but seek to open the door for future efforts. I agree with not allowing them to stay in your home.
 
Does he profess to be a Christian? Is he an unrepentant sinner that has been excommunicated? Or has he not yet responded to the light of the Gospel?

How we interact with folks living in immorality depends on how these questions are answered. I have invited reprobate coworkers living with their girlfriends as well as my lesbian neighbors into my home for meals (and family worship), and I don't think they or anyone else took this to mean that I was affirming of their relationship. But I have not similarly invited acquaintances who claim to be Christians and yet are involved in gross, public lawlessness. Both actions are based on love for the person, and both impact our public testimony.

Christ sat and ate with known sinners of the worst sort, but he could not stand the hypocrites. He loved both and longed that both would repent.
 
Does he profess to be a Christian? Is he an unrepentant sinner that has been excommunicated? Or has he not yet responded to the light of the Gospel?

How we interact with folks living in immorality depends on how these questions are answered. I have invited reprobate coworkers living with their girlfriends as well as my lesbian neighbors into my home for meals (and family worship), and I don't think they or anyone else took this to mean that I was affirming of their relationship. But I have not similarly invited acquaintances who claim to be Christians and yet are involved in gross, public lawlessness. Both actions are based on love for the person, and both impact our public testimony.

Christ sat and ate with known sinners of the worst sort, but he could not stand the hypocrites. He loved both and longed that both would repent.
This is one of the most clear sighted answers I have seen to this question. Thank you for this response. I took a picture of it and will reference it in the future.
 
To be totally honest, can someone work with me to understand what the rational is for rejecting hospitality to hypocrites? And by hospitality I mean basic neighborly love expressed in sharing meal and conversation, not only with the lesbian, but also the Christian pharisee. I guess I want to say that a Christian should be willing to bring anyone, no matter how reprobate, or hypocritically self-righteous, into a place where love is expressed, in the home. I feel like that makes sense. It jives with my gut, and of what I know of Christian ethics. Maybe my claim is that unlike Jesus, we don't have omniscient knowledge, and thus our interactions with those we deem "pharisees" should be modulated accordingly? Just some thoughts. Should we limit our grace? Should we be gracious to the gross sinner, but not the self-righteously gross sinner, the hypocritically and religiously gross sinner? I think we should never limit offering our home up for a meal and conversation, except in some extreme instances?

As a show of good faith that I genuinely want to learn and not argue I won't even respond to anyone's responses, I just want to see the rational for Andrew Crofter's point. I guess "But I have not similarly invited acquaintances who claim to be Christians and yet are involved in gross, public lawlessness" this really is the sticking point for me. . .It seems somewhat off. Anyway. What am I missing?
 
To be totally honest, can someone work with me to understand what the rational is for rejecting hospitality to hypocrites? And by hospitality I mean basic neighborly love expressed in sharing meal and conversation, not only with the lesbian, but also the Christian pharisee. I guess I want to say that a Christian should be willing to bring anyone, no matter how reprobate, or hypocritically self-righteous, into a place where love is expressed, in the home. I feel like that makes sense. It jives with my gut, and of what I know of Christian ethics. Maybe my claim is that unlike Jesus, we don't have omniscient knowledge, and thus our interactions with those we deem "pharisees" should be modulated accordingly? Just some thoughts. Should we limit our grace? Should we be gracious to the gross sinner, but not the self-righteously gross sinner, the hypocritically and religiously gross sinner? I think we should never limit offering our home up for a meal and conversation, except in some extreme instances?

As a show of good faith that I genuinely want to learn and not argue I won't even respond to anyone's responses, I just want to see the rational for Andrew Crofter's point. I guess "But I have not similarly invited acquaintances who claim to be Christians and yet are involved in gross, public lawlessness" this really is the sticking point for me. . .It seems somewhat off. Anyway. What am I missing?
Some texts to consider:

1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

Titus 3:10
As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him.

2 Thessalonians 3:6, 14–15
Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us. . . . If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

2 John 10–11
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
 
...work with me to understand what the rational is for rejecting hospitality to hypocrites? And by hospitality I mean basic neighborly love expressed in sharing meal and conversation....
First, I see a great and grave difference between hypocrisy (for which we are all no doubt guilty to in some degree at any given moment) and this:
...acquaintances who claim to be Christians and yet are involved in gross, public lawlessness.

Second, to expand on the references posted above, consider 1 Corinthians 5:9-13: "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person."

This text covers both sides. Paul appears to be clarifying previous comments regarding separation from the world by stating that we are not expected to go out of our way to avoid sinners or we would often have no place to go in this world. But we are expected to go out of our way to avoid those who are gross hypocrites. I find Calvin very helpful on this whole passage. Here is his conclusion: "With such an one not even to take food. In the first place, we must ascertain whether he addresses here the whole Church, or merely individuals. I answer, that this is said, indeed, to individuals, but, at the same time, it is connected with their discipline in common; for the power of excommunicating is not allowed to any individual member, but to the entire body. When, therefore, the Church has excommunicated any one, no believer ought to receive him into terms of intimacy with him; otherwise the authority of the Church would be brought into contempt, if each individual were at liberty to admit to his table those who have been excluded from the table of the Lord. By partaking of food here, is meant either living together, or familiar association in meals. For if, on going into an inn, I see one who has been excommunicated sitting at table, there is nothing to hinder me from dining with him; for I have not authority to exclude him. What Paul means is, that, in so far as it is in our power, we are to shun the society of those whom the Church has cut off from her communion." Excommunication is not simply a terminal act from a Church court - it is an ongoing responsibility of the whole Body of Christ.

The difficult issue for me is what to do when the professor is involved in gross, public lawlessness but the rulers who have been given watch over them have either failed to act or are in the process of acting. In the meantime, do we refrain from fellowship in our homes with such brethren even if they have not yet been dealt with officially by the elders? Sometimes the latter drags on more months and even years. This could lead to a situation where I may have to sit next to them at the Lord's Table but not be willing to invite them into my home.
 
My nephew is gay and he may be visiting near where I live with his boyfriend. They will not be staying with me, as I would not allow them to sleep in the same bed/room.

Is it affirming of their relationship to share a meal together? I tend to extend this to how I would handle other examples of inappropriate relationships in that I would certainly not participate in by ways of spending time with them as a couple (ie. a man cheating on his wife wanting to bring the other woman over). I am struggling how this would be done faithfully and in wisdom with them
My nephew is gay and he may be visiting near where I live with his boyfriend. They will not be staying with me, as I would not allow them to sleep in the same bed/room.

Is it affirming of their relationship to share a meal together? I tend to extend this to how I would handle other examples of inappropriate relationships in that I would certainly not participate in by ways of spending time with them as a couple (ie. a man cheating on his wife wanting to bring the other woman over). I am struggling how this would be done faithfully and in wisdom with them as a couple.

My nephew is gay and he may be visiting near where I live with his boyfriend. They will not be staying with me, as I would not allow them to sleep in the same bed/room.

Is it affirming of their relationship to share a meal together? I tend to extend this to how I would handle other examples of inappropriate relationships in that I would certainly not participate in by ways of spending time with them as a couple (ie. a man cheating on his wife wanting to bring the other woman over). I am struggling how this would be done faithfully and in wisdom with them as a couple.

My nephew is gay and he may be visiting near where I live with his boyfriend. They will not be staying with me, as I would not allow them to sleep in the same bed/room.

Is it affirming of their relationship to share a meal together? I tend to extend this to how I would handle other examples of inappropriate relationships in that I would certainly not participate in by ways of spending time with them as a couple (ie. a man cheating on his wife wanting to bring the other woman over). I am struggling how this would be done faithfully and in wisdom with them as a couple.

My nephew is gay and he may be visiting near where I live with his boyfriend. They will not be staying with me, as I would not allow them to sleep in the same bed/room.

Is it affirming of their relationship to share a meal together? I tend to extend this to how I would handle other examples of inappropriate relationships in that I would certainly not participate in by ways of spending time with them as a couple (ie. a man cheating on his wife wanting to bring the other woman over). I am struggling how this would be done faithfully and in wisdom with them as a couple.
This could be a great opportunity to share the gospel. I'm hoping your cousin adheres to the rules of your home. Definitely talk with your pastor first about this issue. And pray a lot! Stand firm in your convictions whilst showing love. May your meeting with them be fruitful, and may they be able to receive the gospel.
 
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