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Okay, I confess, In spite of my dashing charm, incredible good looks, and vast stores of knowledge I have a terrible weakness: the improper use of reflexive pronouns in my presence is like Kryptonite in the room with Superman.

Yesterday I had a meeting with a client in which the progeny of the loins of my employer decided to attend. (He, the nepotistic ninny, is the world's smartest person, capable of doing anything with almost nothing. Einstein's spirit wanders the room behind him saying 'Mea culpa' over and over.) Genius boy decided that he needed to make the presentation. (Yep, the one I've been working on for six weeks.) I bravely tried to explain to him that he really didn't have all the data down and could look foolish if they asked any questions. He forged on ahead.

During the entire presentation he used the reflexive pronouns, 'myself' and 'ourselves', as objective pronouns, and even nominatives over and over and over and . . . I really couldn't make any sense out of what he was trying to do. I tried to concentrate on what he was saying, knowing that I would have to bail him out when they began to ask questions. My mind was in tatters. My strength was failing. I was fearful for my life. (This brainchild graduated from college with a 3.78 supposedly.)

Thankfully the assault upon the English language ceased. The client, whom I know well, looked at me with a quizzical expression. Genius boy, closed his laptop, took a seat with a look of smug satisfaction and stated, 'As you can see . . .' I began to weaken again immediately. He was recapping his presentation! Sweat broke out upon my brow. I began to look for an exit.

I was only saved by the client interrupting him, 'Well, Lawrence has always taken care of us. I'm sure he can sort this out. Lawrence, can you step to my office for a minute?' So, we retired to his office. He laughed at the idiocy of the 'boy wonder' (his name). He said that it was obvious to him that he was an owner's son. He asked if he was correct. I affirmed his suspicions graciously.

As it turns out, the client is an English major as well.

So, do your part to make the world a safer place and to elevate your position in the eyes of others: study, or relearn if necessary, the basics of grammar.

And, pray that I will be relieved of this daily assault. I can feel myself weakening.
 
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A tragic tale Lawrence. I am so sorry for the crucible you find yourself in. I thought I had problems.

Last night at the deacon's meeting, the president of the deacons turned to me (the treasurer) and said, "I'll let you know to who you should write the check". I immediately corrected with 'to whom' and then apologized profusely. I couldn't help myself. Fortunately he took it well and kept on going.

Help ME brother. When I'm quoting as I did above, does the sentence end with the closed quote or with a period?
"write the check". (or) "write the check." ?

Feel free to correct my grammar anytime, I want to be your disciple.
 
Bob, you crack me up! I've done the same thing more than once. I really try to not correct people. But, hey, my father was an English professor. I can't help it. It really is a hoot when our extended family gets together. The humour is so dry you you must hydrate.

Here you go Bob:

Rule 1. Periods and commas always go inside quotation marks, even inside single quotes.
Examples: The sign changed from "Walk," to "Don't Walk," to "Walk" again within 30 seconds.
She said, "Hurry up."
She said, "He said, 'Hurry up.'"

Rule 2. The placement of question marks with quotes follows logic. If a question is in quotation marks, the question mark should be placed inside the quotation marks.
Examples: She asked, "Will you still be my friend?"
Do you agree with the saying, "All's fair in love and war"?
Here the question is outside the quote.
NOTE: Only one ending punctuation mark is used with quotation marks. Also, the stronger punctuation mark wins. Therefore, no period after war is used.

Rule 3. When you have a question outside quoted material AND inside quoted material, use only one question mark and place it inside the
quotation mark.
Example: Did she say, "May I go?"

Rule 4. Use single quotation marks for quotes within quotes. Note that the period goes inside all quote marks.
Example: He said, "Danea said, 'Do not treat me that way.'"

Rule 5. Use quotation marks to set off a direct quotation only.
Examples: "When will you be here?" he asked.
He asked when you will be there.

Rule 6. Do not use quotation marks with quoted material that is more than three lines in length. See Colons, Rule 5, for style guidance with longer quotes.

Rule 7. When you are quoting something that has a spelling or grammar mistake or presents material in a confusing way, insert the term sic in italics and enclose it in brackets. Sic means, "This is the way the original
material was."
Example: She wrote, "I would rather die then [sic] be seen wearing the same outfit as my sister."
Should be than, not then.

Ben, my day job is an operations manager for a waste management company. In more ways than one, it's a trashy business.
 
Thanks for sharing Lawrence. My grammar is pretty good, but it's mostly intuitive. I suppose it's from reading a lot. I can't point to rules very well though. This is good on one hand, because I can adapt easily. On the other hand, when something sounds wrong I can't pick out why. And, I can be pulled into local abuses easily, if I don't catch it right away. I've noticed that I can fight it off if I understand the rules. But when I don't, then I succumb.

Around here plurals and singulars seem to have little bearing, especially in verbs of being. "Are," "were," "am," "is" and "was" can be mixed, matched, abused and tossed around in such a manner as to render any distinction useless. "They was fishing the other day..." "Them is the best tasting fish I've ever had." Everything around here has to do with fish, or hunting, so those examples are very applicable. :D

But I never figured out "whom." Is it the direct object?

And, yes, please feel free to correct my grammar as well. I strive to keep it between the lines, but my ignorance of rules seems to be catching up with me.
 
Lawrence, can you step to my office for a minute.

Isn't it into my office? :eek::lol:


Actually, that is an idiomatic phrase around here.

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The humour is so dry you you must hydrate.
:lol:

That's what I get for trying to triple task at work! :lol:

And these examples make the point I wanted to make. My brain and my fingers do not operate at the same speed. I am stickler for grammar, but when it comes to putting on paper, the result is questionable.

:lol: on the OP!
 
Thank you sensai, I mean Lawrence.

Jonathan, I love you but we fought a war so we wouldn't have to write 'cheque', 'centre', 'flavour', 'apothecary' or have to go to the 'loo'. Hugs and kisses though.


"write the check". (or) "write the check." ?

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Bawb, my dear fellow, it is spelled 'cheque'.

:lol:

Well Lawrence can't have been praying attention because he still spells 'Saviour' and 'Flavour' correctly... to name but two :lol:

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And besides, what is wrong with going to the 'loo'?

You guys go to 'restrooms' but you don't sleep in there. Do you? Or is that too much detail?
 
We don't sleep but we do rest.

Yesterday we had lunch at a Pizza Hut and I had to take my 5 year old to the bathroom (restroom, loo, little boy's powder room). He was doing his chore while I waited and he commented, "It smells pretty good in here." I answered, 'Well, it doesn't smell bad." He said, "It smells good.... but I wouldn't want to sleep in here, I'd rather sleep in our bathroom at home."

So there you go.


You guys go to 'restrooms' but you don't sleep in there. Do you? Or is that too much detail?
 
Thank you sensai, I mean Lawrence.

Jonathan, I love you but we fought a war so we wouldn't have to write 'cheque', 'centre', 'flavour', 'apothecary' or have to go to the 'loo'. Hugs and kisses though.


Bawb, my dear fellow, it is spelled 'cheque'.

:lol:

Well Lawrence can't have been praying attention because he still spells 'Saviour' and 'Flavour' correctly... to name but two :lol:

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And besides, what is wrong with going to the 'loo'?

You guys go to 'restrooms' but you don't sleep in there. Do you? Or is that too much detail?

Actually, real Sons of the South still use Oxford spelling. The change in the orthography of Southern spelling was a Yankee endeavour to exterminate our distinctive culture. It began with Noah Webster.

And, I don't 'Go to the restroom.' Neither do I 'go to the loo.' I use the head!
 
Here's one that grates on my ears.

"Anyways" instead of "anyway."

Anyway means "anyhow" or "in any case."

"Anyways" must be a strictly colloquial expression, and it is as ungrammatical in written English as "anyhows."

Anyway, I hope you get my point.
 
One thing that gets on my nerves:

"How are you doing?"

"I'm doing good."

I always reply "I am well." I detest beign surrounded by such vulgar peons.
 
Here's one that grates on my ears.

"Anyways" instead of "anyway."

Anyway means "anyhow" or "in any case."

"Anyways" must be a strictly colloquial expression, and it is as ungrammatical in written English as "anyhows."

Anyway, I hope you get my point.

That's cuz it's southern! ;)
 
Here's one that grates on my ears.

"Anyways" instead of "anyway."

Anyway means "anyhow" or "in any case."

"Anyways" must be a strictly colloquial expression, and it is as ungrammatical in written English as "anyhows."

Anyway, I hope you get my point.

That's cuz it's southern! ;)

Hey, don't be pickin' on southerners!

Ya'll all know that everybody in the world spoke "southern" before that sad day in Babel...
 
No, no! I'm a Yankee! My mom and her family are southern and they put "s" on EVERYTHING...so it's anyways or walmarts or j.c pennys ....just keep going and you get the idea. Also, they make up a lot of words or use the same word for different things! It's all a different language really! :lol:
 
No, no! I'm a Yankee! My mom and her family are southern and they put "s" on EVERYTHING...so it's anyways or walmarts or j.c pennys ....just keep going and you get the idea. Also, they make up a lot of words or use the same word for different things! It's all a different language really! :lol:

That's odd. The only people that I have ever heard use 'anyways' are from the Midwest. I don't think I've ever heard anyone from the South use that unless they have been in the Midwest. Re: the 's' on Wal-Mart and J.C. Penny. That is actually a possessive you are hearing. It is common in some regions of the South and is a carry over from the 'mom and pop' store days. 'Let's all go to Smith's and buy a coke.' Today, it gets used for most stores in some regions.

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Feel free to correct my grammar anytime, I want to be your disciple.

:ditto:

I want to be your disciple also. :book2:

Deny yourselves, take up either your Little, Brown Handbook or MLA, and follow me. . .
 
No, no! I'm a Yankee! My mom and her family are southern and they put "s" on EVERYTHING...so it's anyways or walmarts or j.c pennys ....just keep going and you get the idea. Also, they make up a lot of words or use the same word for different things! It's all a different language really! :lol:

That's odd. The only people that I have ever heard use 'anyways' are from the Midwest. I don't think I've ever heard anyone from the South use that unless they have been in the Midwest. Re: the 's' on Wal-Mart and J.C. Penny. That is actually a possessive you are hearing. It is common in some regions of the South and is a carry over from the 'mom and pop' store days. 'Let's all go to Smith's and buy a coke.' Today, it gets used for most stores in some regions.

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I want to be your disciple also. :book2:

Deny yourselves, take up either your Little Brown Handbook or MLA, and follow me. . .

Ok, I'm all done! I'm getting corrected by the teacher waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much! Nighty, night! ;)
 
One thing that gets on my nerves:

"How are you doing?"

"I'm doing good."

I always reply "I am well." I detest beign surrounded by such vulgar peons.

Come, now. We all make mistakes now and then.

No, no! I'm a Yankee! My mom and her family are southern and they put "s" on EVERYTHING...so it's anyways or walmarts or j.c pennys ....just keep going and you get the idea. Also, they make up a lot of words or use the same word for different things! It's all a different language really! :lol:

Hey! I say "JC Penney's." I would never say, "Let's go to JC Penney." That sounds soooooooooo weird and wrong.
But I'd only say Walmarts as a joke. Maybe b/c JC Penney is someone's name, where a mart isn't.
 
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