"Is Jesus a human person?"

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This is kind of a hard one, in my opinion (maybe not for others though!)

In a Facebook group of which I am a member, a member asked the question in the subject line: "Is Jesus a human person".

Quite a few people gave answers along of the lines of "Yep! 100% Human and 100% Divine!"

A couple of people, yours truly included, disagree and say that Jesus, the Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity, is a DIVINE person who happens to be in possession of two natures.

As I see it, to say that Jesus is a human person confounds the distinction between "person" and "essence" (or "nature").

I am willing to even to concede that perhaps it's wrong to think of Jesus as either a human person or a divine person, but just rather "a person, who happens to have two natures".

What does the PB Intelligentsia think of this?
 
Divine person who took a human existence. Some of the fathers spoke of a "composite hypostasis" after the incarnation, and that is fine. But if you say he is a human person, then how many persons of Jesus are there? How many persons are now in the Godhead?
 
Divine person who took a human existence. Some of the fathers spoke of a "composite hypostasis" after the incarnation, and that is fine. But if you say he is a human person, then how many persons of Jesus are there? How many persons are now in the Godhead?

I am with you on that.

One of the replies I (and others) had to those who think Jesus was a "human person" is that it makes two persons of Jesus and is functionally Nestorianism.

Although one guy did come straight out and say that yes, Jesus is two persons-in-one, and he apparently meant it.
 
The language is pretty sticky here, because most ways of speaking are open to misinterpretation.
If I understand correctly, the nature of the hypostatic union is that both "Christ is human" and "Christ is not human" can be affirmed. The former regarding Christ's human nature, and the latter regarding his divine nature.
That may sound strange but it's common to hear that kind of speech regarding Christ, and it's fine in context. For example, we say to Jehovah's witnesses "Christ is eternal, not created." So we're denying he's created, human, etc, and we all understand implicitly that we're only referring to his divine nature. He isn't created in his divine nature. If we consider his human nature, he is created.
Thus, regarding the OP, dogmatically pursuing one manner of speaking as exclusively correct in this matter tends to lead to empty, fruitless linguistic debates, or as the Greeks call them, logomachies.
 
How do you distinguish between Jesus and any other human? I believe that’s why we use hypostasis/person.
 
Are we revisiting Ecumenical Councils? We've understood for quite some time that the one person of the Son took upon Himself a second nature, human nature. Thus, it is one person, the Divine Logos, with two natures.
 
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Are we revisiting Ecumenical Councils? We've understood for quite some time that the one person of the Son took upon Himself a second nature, human nature. Thus, it is one person, the Divine Logos, with two natures. This is basic Trinitarian theology. Have we deformed so much as to not be able to uphold this truth?
I don't think the issue at hand is whether Christ is both God and man in two natures and one person, but whether it is proper to call him a "human person" since he is both a person and human.
 
I think the adaptation of the term ‘person’ must be considered to avoid talking past each other with those who insist Jesus is a human person. Some likely equate ‘human person’ with ‘human’.
 
I don't think the issue at hand is whether Christ is both God and man in two natures and one person, but whether it is proper to call him a "human person" since he is both a person and human.
I don't know what to do with this. The Chalcedonian formula is that he is one person with two natures and that person is the Divine Logos. There is no human person as "human" applies to nature.
 
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This is the fruit of social trinitarianism that cannot understand “person” as mode of subsistence with properties according to Biblical terms. The properties of the Trinitarian persons are begetting, begotten, and spirated.
 
This is the fruit of social trinitarianism that cannot understand “person” as mode of subsistence with properties according to Biblical terms. The properties of the Trinitarian persons are begetting, begotten, and spirated.
Brother, how do you understand the communicatio idiomatum? I think that's what we're getting at here.
 
Brother, how do you understand the communicatio idiomatum? I think that's what we're getting at here.
Enhypostatically. Quoting Letham - "The Son of God provides the personhood for the assumed human nature." Moving beyond that is to get into the mystery of the hypostatic union beyond what we can really comprehend. Christ is the person of the Son of God incarnated.
 
I think it's important to make the qualification that the Son of God assumed a human nature enhypostatically to avoid people assuming some sort of "two persons" error.

I think most people don't really think about the Person of the Son of God and may even fall into the error of assuming that the incarnate Son, Jesus, was a divine mind inside of a human body. Without destroying the necessary distinctions, one can properly help someone understand that Jesus was a Person. He was fully human. He wasn't a person other than the eternal and unchangeable Logos, but He was also a human man with a rational soul. It is beyond human comprehension and can only be confessed.

I think what our Standards say about Him is a good summary and launching point to understand the Son as One Person but fully Divined respecting His Godhead and truly human with a rational soul touching His humanity.

Beeke and Jones note in their A Puritan Theology that the Puritans helped to develop the humanity of Christ a bit more than prior theologians. I think there has been a sort of Applonarian direction in some otherwise orthodox theologians who are afraid of thinking of Jesus as not knowing things or truly being affected by infirmities. It is mind-bending to think that Jesus went to the Cross trusting, by faith, what was prophesied of Him while the same Person in His Divinity was beyond time.

If, at the end of the day, someone is asking whether Jesus was a real human person and they don't understand all the theological distinctions, a simple answer could be yes until they understand enough to provide more detail. By that I mean that many people (especially Roman Catholics) move Christ's humanity so far away from themselves as to think of Him as not really man at all and they prefer other mediators thinking that they will relate to them much more than Christ does.
 
Enhypostatically. Quoting Letham - "The Son of God provides the personhood for the assumed human nature." Moving beyond that is to get into the mystery of the hypostatic union beyond what we can really comprehend. Christ is the person of the Son of God incarnated.
That doesn't address the matter of the communicatio idiomatum and the manner in which things proper to Christ's humanity are attributed to the person of Christ.

Junius says this on the communicatio:
"From this distinct consisting of Christ’s natures and this incredibly close unity of his person, three manners of speaking result: one proper, by which that is attributed to each nature that properly belongs to it: such as suffering to the human nature, and by which that is attributed to the whole person which is common to the person in both natures, such as that Christ is mediator, etc. II. An improper manner of speaking, by synecdoche, when what is common to the whole person, such as being mediator, is attributed to one nature, such as to his human nature. III. The most improper; namely, when what is proper to one nature is attributed concretely to the other, with its name implying the whole person. In this way, it is true that “God purchased the Church with his own blood,” Act. 20:28. Also, “They crucified the Lord of glory,” 1 Cor. 2:8. This manner of speaking, observed by the fathers, was called ζεύξις ὀνομάτων (the yoking of names), and ἰδιομάτων κοινωνία (communion of properties)."
And this is what Ames says:
"And hence, the communication of these properties follows, as to their predication, or attribution, by which the things proper to one nature are attributed, either to the whole person, as when Christ is said “to have died,” which was proper to his human nature, and “to have been in the beginning,” which was proper to the divine nature; or they are attributed to the other nature, on account of his person, as when it is said that “God was received up in glory,” 1 Tim. 3:16, and was “crucified,” 1 Cor. 2:8, which things do not properly fit the divine nature, but the human one. And those things which are proper to the whole person are distinctly attributed to one nature or the other: as when “the man Christ” is called “mediator between God and man,” 1 Tim. 2:5, which does not fit Christ as he is man, but as he is God and man. Moreover, just as that communion properly respects Christ’s person, and not these natures considered in themselves, so also this communication, which is operative in predication, concretely respects God or man, not deity or humanity in the abstract. Therefore, the communication of properties is not merely verbal; yet neither is it real in such a way that the property of one nature transfers to the other, in the way of intrinsic possession and employment."
 
That doesn't address the matter of the communicatio idiomatum and the manner in which things proper to Christ's humanity are attributed to the person of Christ.

Junius says this on the communicatio:
"From this distinct consisting of Christ’s natures and this incredibly close unity of his person, three manners of speaking result: one proper, by which that is attributed to each nature that properly belongs to it: such as suffering to the human nature, and by which that is attributed to the whole person which is common to the person in both natures, such as that Christ is mediator, etc. II. An improper manner of speaking, by synecdoche, when what is common to the whole person, such as being mediator, is attributed to one nature, such as to his human nature. III. The most improper; namely, when what is proper to one nature is attributed concretely to the other, with its name implying the whole person. In this way, it is true that “God purchased the Church with his own blood,” Act. 20:28. Also, “They crucified the Lord of glory,” 1 Cor. 2:8. This manner of speaking, observed by the fathers, was called ζεύξις ὀνομάτων (the yoking of names), and ἰδιομάτων κοινωνία (communion of properties)."
And this is what Ames says:
"And hence, the communication of these properties follows, as to their predication, or attribution, by which the things proper to one nature are attributed, either to the whole person, as when Christ is said “to have died,” which was proper to his human nature, and “to have been in the beginning,” which was proper to the divine nature; or they are attributed to the other nature, on account of his person, as when it is said that “God was received up in glory,” 1 Tim. 3:16, and was “crucified,” 1 Cor. 2:8, which things do not properly fit the divine nature, but the human one. And those things which are proper to the whole person are distinctly attributed to one nature or the other: as when “the man Christ” is called “mediator between God and man,” 1 Tim. 2:5, which does not fit Christ as he is man, but as he is God and man. Moreover, just as that communion properly respects Christ’s person, and not these natures considered in themselves, so also this communication, which is operative in predication, concretely respects God or man, not deity or humanity in the abstract. Therefore, the communication of properties is not merely verbal; yet neither is it real in such a way that the property of one nature transfers to the other, in the way of intrinsic possession and employment."
I suppose I wasn't going that in-depth with it and limiting myself to the language of person as in the OP - is Christ a human person? The human nature of Christ is not anhypostatic, yet it receives its "personhood" (clumsy, but I hope it conveys what I'm getting at) enhypostatically through the divine person of the Son of God. Which is the first element in discussing the communicato idiomatum before getting into attribution. My apologies for missing your point.
 
I think it's important to make the qualification that the Son of God assumed a human nature enhypostatically to avoid people assuming some sort of "two persons" error.

I think most people don't really think about the Person of the Son of God and may even fall into the error of assuming that the incarnate Son, Jesus, was a divine mind inside of a human body. Without destroying the necessary distinctions, one can properly help someone understand that Jesus was a Person. He was fully human. He wasn't a person other than the eternal and unchangeable Logos, but He was also a human man with a rational soul. It is beyond human comprehension and can only be confessed.

I think what our Standards say about Him is a good summary and launching point to understand the Son as One Person but fully Divined respecting His Godhead and truly human with a rational soul touching His humanity.

Beeke and Jones note in their A Puritan Theology that the Puritans helped to develop the humanity of Christ a bit more than prior theologians. I think there has been a sort of Applonarian direction in some otherwise orthodox theologians who are afraid of thinking of Jesus as not knowing things or truly being affected by infirmities. It is mind-bending to think that Jesus went to the Cross trusting, by faith, what was prophesied of Him while the same Person in His Divinity was beyond time.

If, at the end of the day, someone is asking whether Jesus was a real human person and they don't understand all the theological distinctions, a simple answer could be yes until they understand enough to provide more detail. By that I mean that many people (especially Roman Catholics) move Christ's humanity so far away from themselves as to think of Him as not really man at all and they prefer other mediators thinking that they will relate to them much more than Christ does.
This was really insightful, and shows how little I know about Jesus. In my mind I have often thought of Jesus being exactly that; the eternal God in human form; meaning, like the error you mentioned, a divine mind inside a human body. Thinking about it now, this illuminates his statements regarding "I only speak what I hear the father tell me." As opposed to knowing all as a result of his divinity. Would a good sum of this be something along the lines of "Jesus practiced as much faith as he promoted." Or would that be erroneous as well.
 
This was really insightful, and shows how little I know about Jesus. In my mind I have often thought of Jesus being exactly that; the eternal God in human form; meaning, like the error you mentioned, a divine mind inside a human body. Thinking about it now, this illuminates his statements regarding "I only speak what I hear the father tell me." As opposed to knowing all as a result of his divinity. Would a good sum of this be something along the lines of "Jesus practiced as much faith as he promoted." Or would that be erroneous as well.
I might not simplify it that much, but the fact that He had a human mind and other infirmities associated with a real body is important. He receive the Spirit with power in a way other men would never have. He also had a human mind undefiled by sin so He was not subject to internal corruption. When it came down to it, however, we can ask: "Well, how did He know things?" and the answer would be, in part, from His parents and from studying the Word of God and believing the things He learned.

And when we read of Him being perfected by the things He suffered, this is not "fake". It's not for show where He had some nonplussed experience with sorrow, grief, or joy. He could genuinely weep over the tomb of Lazarus and trust that the very things He believed would happen as He commanded Lazarus to rise. He prayed in the garden with real faith and went to the Cross with the same. When He confessed the pain and sorrow of the Cross, He also believed He would rise again even though, touching His humanity, He had not yet experienced the vindication He would receive. There was neither any doubt in what He told the thief on the Cross next to Him.

This is why we can take it to the bank when the Scriptures declare that our Great High Priest knows what it is to suffer and endure. He truly knows our frame. He has experienced temptation at its full force and came through it and is our Captain Who has broken through Hell's gates and is now Ascended but with us by His Spirit.
 
From A Puritan Theology

Chapter 21

Puritan Christology

If there were infinite worlds made of creatures loving, they would not have so much love in them as was in the heart of that man Christ Jesus.
—THOMAS GOODWIN


Puritan theologians produced outstanding studies in the area of Christology, namely, the person and work of Christ. These men combined their learning with soul-stirring applications to bring Christ home to the mind and soul. John Arrowsmith (1602–1659), in his formidable exposition Theanthropos (“The God-Man”), shows beyond doubt that Jesus of Nazareth was both God and man in one person. On a more pastoral level, Looking unto Jesus, the more than six-hundred-page work of Isaac Ambrose (1604–1664), presents Christ to the believer in both His person and work in a way that highlights the distinctive nature of Reformed Christology. Many more works could be listed, and it is a great mystery why so little secondary literature has been written on Puritan Christology. This chapter will, however, consider the unique contributions of two eminent Puritan theologians, Thomas Goodwin (1600–1680) and John Owen (1616–1683).
Puritan Christology unquestionably distinguished itself from other theological traditions regarding Christ’s work. Yet most scholars assume that the aforementioned theologians simply affirmed Nicene and Chalcedonian orthodoxy regarding His person and nothing more distinctive. However, a closer examination shows that while Puritan theology affirmed the basic teaching of Chalcedon, a distinct Puritan Christology with regard to Christ’s person emerged in the seventeenth century, especially in the writings of Goodwin and Owen. The fixed Reformed-Lutheran divide on Christology played a significant role in their thought, as did the rising influence of Socinianism, but neither author was merely polemical; both, in fact, sought to make positive contributions to Reformed orthodoxy. One such contribution was the appreciation of the true humanity of Jesus Christ and the development of a better model for understanding the relation of the two natures in His person in both His earthly and heavenly ministries. In this chapter, the theological contributions of both Owen and Goodwin will be examined in light of a distinctively Reformed Christology that considers the person of Christ in His two states of humiliation and exaltation, and how the Holy Spirit relates to Him in each state. A brief account of the polemical situation will lay a foundation for better appreciation of the genius of Reformed Christology.


Owen’s Contribution to Christology

If we argue that Christ’s divine nature acts through the human nature, thus enabling Him to perform miracles, for example, a serious problem emerges concerning the plethora of texts that speak of the Holy Spirit’s role in the life of Christ. This was the problem that Cyril’s position was unable to overcome. By affirming that the Logos was the sole effective agent working on the human nature, Cyril’s asymmetrical relation between the two natures renders the Holy Spirit’s work in the life of Jesus superfluous. In fact, the Socinian, John Biddle, picks up on this tension by asking a series of questions:

What need was there that the holy Spirit should be given unto Christ, to enable him to do miracles; and an Angel appear from heaven unto him to strengthen him; or why should he so earnestly expostulate with God for forsaking him, if Christ were he, by whom the First Creation was performed, had a Divine Nature and was God himself?… Would it be said of him that had the Divine Nature, that he did miracles because God was with him, and not rather, because he was God?… Would not the Divine nature in Christ, at this rate, be in the mean time idle and useless?

These questions are not without merit and deserve answers. Neither Roman Catholic nor Lutheran theologians can adequately account for any meaningful role of the Spirit in the life of Christ; indeed, their respective Christologies may find Biddle’s questions rather difficult to answer. Bavinck makes the strong assertion that “while Lutheran Christology still speaks of gifts, it actually does not know what to do with them and no longer has room even for Christ’s anointing with the Holy Spirit.” And this is precisely where Owen makes his valuable contribution to understanding the person and work of Christ. Indeed, Owen’s understanding of the Spirit’s work in Christ is the consistent outworking of the Reformed insistence on both the integrity or perfection of the two natures and the unity of the person. He argues that “the only singular immediate act of the person of the Son on the human nature was the assumption of it into subsistence with himself.” Thus, the Holy Spirit is the “immediate operator of all divine acts of the Son himself, even on his own human nature. Whatever the Son of God wrought in, by, or upon the human nature, he did it by the Holy Ghost, who is his Spirit.” Oliver Crisp admits that “it could be argued that it is the Holy Spirit that enables the human nature of Christ to perform miracles, rather than Christ’s divine nature.” However, he is careful to note that “this is not a conventional view of the means by which Christ was able to perform miracles. A conventional view would claim that Christ was able to perform miracles in virtue of the action of his divine nature in and through his human nature in the hypostatic union.” The implication of Crisp’s observation is, of course, that Owen’s Christology is not conventional.


Christ’s Inseparable Companion

Though they expressed it in different ways, the Puritans were keenly aware of the importance of the Holy Spirit’s relation to Christ in connection with both His earthly and His heavenly ministries. As Isaac Ambrose states, in Christ there is a “compound of all the graces of the Spirit.… He received the Spirit out of measure; there was in him as much as possibly could be in a creature, and more than in all other creatures whatsoever.” These comments provide an ideal starting point for discussing the way in which the Holy Spirit relates to Christ.
In all of the major events in the life of Christ, the Holy Spirit took a prominent role. The Father decreed that the Son should assume flesh. The Son voluntarily assumed flesh in obedience to the will of the Father, but it is the Holy Spirit who was the “immediate divine efficiency” of the incarnation (Luke 1:35; Matt. 1:18, 20). This was a fitting “beginning” for Christ since Isaiah spoke of the Messiah as one endowed with the Spirit (Isa. 42:1; 61:1). The New Testament confirmed Isaiah’s testimony in several places, noting, for example, that He received the Spirit without measure (John 3:34). At Christ’s baptism, the Spirit descended upon Him (Matt. 3:16), and in Luke 4 the Spirit played a significant role in Christ’s temptation (v. 1). In that same chapter, Christ read from Isaiah 61:1–2 (“the Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me”) and announced that He is the fulfillment of that prophecy (Luke 4:18). Moreover, Christ’s performance of miracles is attributed to the Holy Spirit (Matt. 12:28; Acts 10:38), for, “on the ascription of his mighty works unto Beelzebub … he lets the Jews know that therein they blasphemed the Holy Spirit, whose works indeed they were” (Matt. 12:31–32). Hebrews 9:14 says that Christ offered Himself up “through the eternal Spirit.” As Sinclair Ferguson notes, “A strong case can be made for understanding the pneuma in which Jesus offered himself as referring to the divine Spirit.” Christ’s resurrection is attributed to the Spirit (Rom. 8:11), and by His resurrection Christ was declared “to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness” (Rom. 1:4; see also 1 Tim. 3:16; 1 Peter 3:18). Because the Spirit was Christ’s inseparable companion during His earthly ministry, there is little doubt that Christ called out (i.e., prayed) to His Father by the enabling or help of the Spirit, which would impart an implicit christological emphasis to the words of Romans 8:26–27.
To put this point more provocatively, Christ’s obedience in our place had to be real obedience. He did not cheat by relying on His own divine nature while He acted as the second Adam. Rather, by receiving and depending upon the Spirit, Christ was fully dependent upon His Father (John 6:38). The translation of ouch harpagmon hegesato to einai isa Theo (Phil. 2:6) as “he did not regard his equality with God as something to exploit” or “something to take advantage of” fits perfectly with this model. As a result, Christ truly grew in wisdom and stature (Luke 2:52). If Christ appeared ignorant (e.g., Matt. 24:36; Luke 8:45), it was because He was; if He appeared to have supernatural knowledge (Luke 9:47), it was because the Father revealed such knowledge to Him by the Spirit. But in a real sense, Christ learned about His messianic calling through reading the Scriptures “morning by morning” (Isa. 50:4–5). Ferguson well remarks that “Jesus’ intimate acquaintance with Scripture did not come de caelo (‘from heaven’) during the period of his public ministry; it was grounded no doubt on his early education, but nourished by long years of personal meditation.” Such an understanding of Christ’s life serves to heighten our appreciation for what He did as the second Adam.
Bavinck summarizes the basic theological concerns set forth so far regarding the intimate relation between the Spirit and Christ:

At this point it is important to note that this activity of the Holy Spirit with respect to Christ’s human nature absolutely does not stand by itself. Though it began with the conception, it did not stop there. It continued throughout his entire life, even right into the state of exaltation. Generally speaking, the necessity of this activity can be inferred already from the fact that the Holy Spirit is the author of all creaturely life and specifically of the religious-ethical life in humans. The true human who bears God’s image is inconceivable even for a moment without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.… If humans in general cannot have communion with God except by the Holy Spirit, then this applies even more powerfully to Christ’s human nature.

That Christ received the Spirit is an ontological necessity of His true humanity; indeed, Christ would not have been Christ, apart from the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Far from being superfluous to Christ, who according to His divine nature is “God in Himself” (autotheos), the Holy Spirit must occupy a central place in any discussion of Christology because of His relation to the human nature of Christ.
The exegetical evidence, however one interprets it, speaks of the importance of the organic relation between the Holy Spirit and the God-man during His ministry on earth, beginning at His conception, and continuing through not only to His resurrection, but also to His heavenly ministry. Reformed Christology emerges precisely at this point as the most satisfying account of Christ’s person and work. If John Owen was the Puritan who most carefully explained the Spirit’s relation to Christ, there is no question that Thomas Goodwin was the Puritan who best explained the ministry of Christ in heaven toward sinners on earth. As J. I. Packer has argued, “John Owen saw into the mind of Paul as clearly as Goodwin—sometimes, on points of detail, more clearly—but not even Owen saw so deep into Paul’s heart.” Packer speaks not a little truth here, but, to be more specific, the brilliance of Goodwin’s Christology is not just that he saw into Paul’s heart, but that he was able to see so penetratingly into the attitude of the heart of Christ in heaven toward sinners on earth. Goodwin’s work on this subject may be the finest practical work on Christology in the Puritan tradition, and therefore it warrants attention if we are to understand why the best theology is the most helpful theology. We will explore this subject fully in chapter 25.


Beeke, J. R., & Jones, M. (2012). A Puritan Theology: Doctrine for Life. Reformation Heritage Books.
 
Semper, thank you for posting the above. I have this book; looking forward to the day I can read it. It is very illuminating.
 
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