SolaGratia
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oeB3QhX2RI&feature=related]YouTube - Haredi Jews Against Israel[/ame]
Jews Against Israel
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amishrockstar
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These guys have been around for a long time. There are many Jews who are against the modern State of Israel.
DonP
Puritan Board Junior
Wonder what the Dispensationalists would think of this?
The religious Jews who actually follow the Torah as best they know how in he flesh, saying that the people in the new nation if Israel aren't Jews at all, they are political radicals who want war to take over land for political reasons.
They call it zionist propaganda. Good Ol British Israelism.
Wonder if BI people paid Darby to come up with his garbage or Satan did it or it was just a result of his zionist influences.
HaHa wipes out their: God is bringing the Jews back to Israel, theory
Maybe they will think these guys are the 144000 or the Jews who will convert and preach
They sure our outspoken here.
These Orthodox Jews say the Jews are exiled out of the land not supposed to go steal it from the ones there now according to scripture.
This is great!!
Even they get it Gos kicked them out and hasn't brought them back.
They seems like nice folks. I would like to talk with them.
The religious Jews who actually follow the Torah as best they know how in he flesh, saying that the people in the new nation if Israel aren't Jews at all, they are political radicals who want war to take over land for political reasons.
They call it zionist propaganda. Good Ol British Israelism.
Wonder if BI people paid Darby to come up with his garbage or Satan did it or it was just a result of his zionist influences.
HaHa wipes out their: God is bringing the Jews back to Israel, theory
Maybe they will think these guys are the 144000 or the Jews who will convert and preach
They sure our outspoken here.
These Orthodox Jews say the Jews are exiled out of the land not supposed to go steal it from the ones there now according to scripture.
This is great!!
Even they get it Gos kicked them out and hasn't brought them back.
They seems like nice folks. I would like to talk with them.
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SolaGratia
Puritan Board Junior
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBNMDjj5LKc&feature=related]YouTube - Zionist Thugs Beating Up Jewish Rabbis[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBldNjquG28]YouTube - Jews Against the State of Israel[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y6rh79OKVQ&feature=related]YouTube - Rabbis against the existence of Israel[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xA1DbBAcOQ&feature=related"]YouTube - Ahmadinejad Meeting With Anti-Zionist Jews[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBldNjquG28]YouTube - Jews Against the State of Israel[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y6rh79OKVQ&feature=related]YouTube - Rabbis against the existence of Israel[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xA1DbBAcOQ&feature=related"]YouTube - Ahmadinejad Meeting With Anti-Zionist Jews[/ame]
DonP
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Reformed Thomist
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These Jews have theological reasons for opposing the Zionist project, and I respect that (unlike the agenda of the Leftist and/or Islamist anti-Israel crowd, which is basically rooted in a hatred of Western traditions and values -- despite their enjoyment of everything that comes with them, such as freedom of expression and freedom of religion).
But I'll support any liberal democracy in the Middle East over what passes for the alternative, thank you very much, 'Jewish' or not. I don't have a Dispensational bone in my body, and nor am I a 'Zionist'; what I am is an enemy of totalitarian states (and all enemies of the West).
But I'll support any liberal democracy in the Middle East over what passes for the alternative, thank you very much, 'Jewish' or not. I don't have a Dispensational bone in my body, and nor am I a 'Zionist'; what I am is an enemy of totalitarian states (and all enemies of the West).
Montanablue
Puritan Board Doctor
I agree entirely. I support Israel for purely political reasons not theological.
DonP
Puritan Board Junior
I studied several sects of orthodox Jews when I was in college 30+ years ago.
I don't remember the names other than Hasidic Jews I wonder if Heredi hold mostly the same thinking as Hassidic Jews? Or if Hasidic is just a general category and Heredi are one type of Hasidic.
I don't remember the names other than Hasidic Jews I wonder if Heredi hold mostly the same thinking as Hassidic Jews? Or if Hasidic is just a general category and Heredi are one type of Hasidic.
SolaGratia
Puritan Board Junior
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boZxUOKEUGA]YouTube - Rabbi Protesting Israel in Montreal[/ame]
DonP
Puritan Board Junior
Reflecting on the classical Dispensationalists view of Jews I wonder how they can think there can be a future for Jews who admittedly are mostly if not all mixbreed now in light of this scripture
John 4:9
How is it that You, being a Jew, ask me for a drink since I am a Samaritan woman?" (For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.) NASB
Mix Breeds were not considered Jews.
So who are the Jews that will come at the end times? Sons of Ishmael?
Sons of Esau or just sons of Judah? And will mix-breed sons be counted or are they not Jews?
And Was Jesus teaching Judaism or Christianity? Did he teach Old covenant Judaism or new covenant Judaism?
The new covenant with the House of Israel ? Or was He teaching for the church?
I say there is only one truth and Christ taught truth, the same truth. He taught the gospel Abraham got with the promises and taught the New covenant Judaism which is was the Gentiles get grafted into.
"I will declare Your name to My brethren; In the midst of the assembly I will praise You. You who fear the LORD, praise Him! All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him, And fear Him, all you offspring of Israel!" (Psalm 22:22,23)
I am an intended descendant of Jacob, I am a descendant of Israel by promise and faith, one whom the promises of Abraham have come to
John 4:21-23
"Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, shall you worship the Father. 22 "You worship that which you do not know; we worship that which we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. NASB
Jesus taught that No Longer will men worship in Jerusalem. That is done. Now we worship anywhere in Spirit.
To hold out a hope for Jerusalem is to oppose the clear teaching of Christ.
John 4:9
How is it that You, being a Jew, ask me for a drink since I am a Samaritan woman?" (For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.) NASB
Mix Breeds were not considered Jews.
So who are the Jews that will come at the end times? Sons of Ishmael?
Sons of Esau or just sons of Judah? And will mix-breed sons be counted or are they not Jews?
And Was Jesus teaching Judaism or Christianity? Did he teach Old covenant Judaism or new covenant Judaism?
The new covenant with the House of Israel ? Or was He teaching for the church?
I say there is only one truth and Christ taught truth, the same truth. He taught the gospel Abraham got with the promises and taught the New covenant Judaism which is was the Gentiles get grafted into.
"I will declare Your name to My brethren; In the midst of the assembly I will praise You. You who fear the LORD, praise Him! All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him, And fear Him, all you offspring of Israel!" (Psalm 22:22,23)
I am an intended descendant of Jacob, I am a descendant of Israel by promise and faith, one whom the promises of Abraham have come to
John 4:21-23
"Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, shall you worship the Father. 22 "You worship that which you do not know; we worship that which we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. NASB
Jesus taught that No Longer will men worship in Jerusalem. That is done. Now we worship anywhere in Spirit.
To hold out a hope for Jerusalem is to oppose the clear teaching of Christ.
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