Anton Bruckner
Puritan Board Professor
thanks a lot. 
new harry potter book
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kevin.carroll
Puritan Board Junior
I don't, but probably not for the reasons you are trying to lead me to admit. Our basic difference is that you and I disagree on the extent to which Christians ought to engage culture. Some believe we should avoid it and what results is a neo-monasticism that manifests itself in movements like home-schooling. (Before I get flamed on that, I'm not criticizing those who home school. But I do oppose the movement). Some believe we should oppose culture. This manifests itself in a lot of the Chrisitan activism that we see going on in groups like Focus on the Family. They will never change society...though I do agree with many of their stances. Others (incuding myself) believe we should engage and infect culture. Honestly, I think that is closer to the Reformed ideal than the other two. I am not the first to lament the lack of Christian engagement of all areas of our society: education, arts, government, etc.
BTW, the point you make about *when* Paul might have studied pagan literature is irrelevant. The fact is that he *used* it in his proclomation of the gospel.
RamistThomist
Puritanboard Assessor
Aww, Kevin.
We almost had perfect agreement except for that last post! :bigsmile:
I agree. Neo-monasticism will gut the church, and I expect a sudden return to it. As many react to the vices of culture, they often swing the pendulum too far the other way.
Since you asked to get flamed on homeschooling, here goes:
mad:
We almost had perfect agreement except for that last post! :bigsmile:
I agree. Neo-monasticism will gut the church, and I expect a sudden return to it. As many react to the vices of culture, they often swing the pendulum too far the other way.
Since you asked to get flamed on homeschooling, here goes:
mad:
kevin.carroll
Puritan Board Junior
Let us not forget Titus 1: 12 nor Jude's intriguing use of the Apocrypha in vss. 14-15...
kevin.carroll
Puritan Board Junior
Originally posted by Draught Horse
Aww, Kevin.
We almost had perfect agreement except for that last post! :bigsmile:
I agree. Neo-monasticism will gut the church, and I expect a sudden return to it. As many react to the vices of culture, they often swing the pendulum too far the other way.
Since you asked to get flamed on homeschooling, here goes:
The one is a symptom of the other, I believe.
STILL, I accept your measured compliment and tell you now, it is my goal in life to have you say, "Man, Kevin, that was an AWESOME post!"
RamistThomist
Puritanboard Assessor
Originally posted by kevin.carroll
Originally posted by Draught Horse
Aww, Kevin.
We almost had perfect agreement except for that last post! :bigsmile:
I agree. Neo-monasticism will gut the church, and I expect a sudden return to it. As many react to the vices of culture, they often swing the pendulum too far the other way.
Since you asked to get flamed on homeschooling, here goes:
The one is a symptom of the other, I believe.
STILL, I accept your measured compliment and tell you now, it is my goal in life to have you say, "Man, Kevin, that was an AWESOME post!"
Man, Kevin, that was an awe...awes....
kevin.carroll
Puritan Board Junior
Originally posted by Draught Horse
Originally posted by kevin.carroll
Originally posted by Draught Horse
Aww, Kevin.
We almost had perfect agreement except for that last post! :bigsmile:
I agree. Neo-monasticism will gut the church, and I expect a sudden return to it. As many react to the vices of culture, they often swing the pendulum too far the other way.
Since you asked to get flamed on homeschooling, here goes:
The one is a symptom of the other, I believe.
STILL, I accept your measured compliment and tell you now, it is my goal in life to have you say, "Man, Kevin, that was an AWESOME post!"
Man, Kevin, that was an awe...awes....
Ex Nihilo
Inactive User
No, because it is terrible music.
Loriann, I am grieved that you would be grieved over my action in reading the book. If it brings any comfort to you, I am quite certain it will not occupy my time in the future. Also, I hope that you can take comfort in the fact that, even if some PBoard members do read the books, the Holy Spirit does protect us. Granted, this would NOT be an excuse to read it if they were a danger, but hopefully, from your perspective, it may help you to be somewhat less disturbed... because it doesn't seem that most on the board are actually going to change their opinions on this.
To be honest, I'm not sure how productive this discussion is at this point. I continue to believe that reading the books lies within the bounds of Christian liberty, but we are grieving a sister by doing so... So I'm not sure what to do about that.
Evie,
Please, Please, Please don't stop reading your books due to my grieving. If the Holy Spirit convicts you it is wrong and you stop, great. I think perhaps what I was trying to say has not been well formulated. Perhaps sometime take a look into the sin of presumption. It's not a sin to take lightly, though that's what we do, take sin lightly. We reason within ourselves why something we want to do is "OK", after all, it isn't a sin. Sometimes a mere act isn't a sin, but when we get caught up into it, it begins to rob us.
With this, I step back.
Please, Please, Please don't stop reading your books due to my grieving. If the Holy Spirit convicts you it is wrong and you stop, great. I think perhaps what I was trying to say has not been well formulated. Perhaps sometime take a look into the sin of presumption. It's not a sin to take lightly, though that's what we do, take sin lightly. We reason within ourselves why something we want to do is "OK", after all, it isn't a sin. Sometimes a mere act isn't a sin, but when we get caught up into it, it begins to rob us.
With this, I step back.
Ex Nihilo
Inactive User
Well, what I meant, actually, is that I've already read all six of the books and see no need to read them again. As an English major, a history major, not to mention an ill-educated Presbyterian, I have sooooooo many other things I have to read besides rereading the Potter books.
That said, sure, I'll read book 7 when it comes out. I do want to find out what happens.
I also intend (not on the basis of your remarks, though they help) to avoid the HP message boards. While actually reading the books takes little time for me, it's easy to waste hours and hours debating theories on the message boards. (And it's one thing to debate theology here, because theology actually matters.. what happens in HP decidedly does not.)
Thank you for your stance and your warnings!! I did read that Spurgeon sermon you posted this morning and very much appreciated it.
[Edited on 7-22-2005 by Ex Nihilo]
I do see HP as an issue of Christian Liberty and I am enjoying the story. Frankly it is a shame that most Christian fiction is on the level of Left Behind.
I cannot read that nonsense and want stupid escapist fantasy worlds from time to time. For someone who is coming out of a pagan lifestyle these would be a poor choice of reading. But then again, I do not own anything by Rick Warren or Joel Osteen 
(although it would be nice firewood this winter). :bigsmile:
Originally posted by calgal
I have the book and you can read it in August (you did say you would be bored before the wedding.......)
[Edited on 7-28-2005 by calgal]
Bored? Between packing all your stuff and other tasks you'll have for me, I won't have time to be bored.
[Edited on 7-28-2005 by Wrigley]
Originally posted by Wrigley
Originally posted by calgal
I have the book and you can read it in August (you did say you would be bored before the wedding.......)
[Edited on 7-28-2005 by calgal]
Bored? Between packing all your stuff and other tasks you'll have for me, I won't have time to be bored.
[Edited on 7-28-2005 by Wrigley]
Packing ALL my stuff? NOT! Of course if you offer beer, help may come (note to self: must find more tasks for Wrigley...) :bigsmile:
Originally posted by calgal
Originally posted by Wrigley
Originally posted by calgal
I have the book and you can read it in August (you did say you would be bored before the wedding.......)
[Edited on 7-28-2005 by calgal]
Bored? Between packing all your stuff and other tasks you'll have for me, I won't have time to be bored.
[Edited on 7-28-2005 by Wrigley]
Packing ALL my stuff? NOT! Of course if you offer beer, help may come (note to self: must find more tasks for Wrigley...) :bigsmile:
Wasn't this thread about Harry Potter, not your "honey-do" list?
Originally posted by Wrigley
Originally posted by calgal
Originally posted by Wrigley
Originally posted by calgal
I have the book and you can read it in August (you did say you would be bored before the wedding.......)
[Edited on 7-28-2005 by calgal]
Bored? Between packing all your stuff and other tasks you'll have for me, I won't have time to be bored.
[Edited on 7-28-2005 by Wrigley]
Packing ALL my stuff? NOT! Of course if you offer beer, help may come (note to self: must find more tasks for Wrigley...) :bigsmile:
Wasn't this thread about Harry Potter, not your "honey-do" list?
Yup! The books are entertaining BUT for someone unable to separate fantasy and reality, they are inappropriate (so Tim La Haye could NOT read HP...or much else above a third grade reading level.....)
JasonGoodwin
Puritan Board Sophomore
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Some of the first book was enough to convince me I was right that Rowling is just a bad writer with a good PR agent. The fact that I would have to read the books to screen them is enough to keep me from letting the kids read them. I'd rather write a paper on Frame.
[Edited on 7/21/2005 by fredtgreco] [/quote]
Fred,
Please pardon my ignorance, but what is "Frame"? I've never heard of it. From the way you're describing it, it sounds just as bad as what everyone on this thread was quibbling about with regards to literature.
Jason
Some of the first book was enough to convince me I was right that Rowling is just a bad writer with a good PR agent. The fact that I would have to read the books to screen them is enough to keep me from letting the kids read them. I'd rather write a paper on Frame.
[Edited on 7/21/2005 by fredtgreco] [/quote]
Fred,
Please pardon my ignorance, but what is "Frame"? I've never heard of it. From the way you're describing it, it sounds just as bad as what everyone on this thread was quibbling about with regards to literature.
Jason
crhoades
Puritan Board Graduate
Originally posted by JasonGoodwin
[quote/]
Some of the first book was enough to convince me I was right that Rowling is just a bad writer with a good PR agent. The fact that I would have to read the books to screen them is enough to keep me from letting the kids read them. I'd rather write a paper on Frame.
[Edited on 7/21/2005 by fredtgreco]
Fred,
Please pardon my ignorance, but what is "Frame"? I've never heard of it. From the way you're describing it, it sounds just as bad as what everyone on this thread was quibbling about with regards to literature.
Jason [/quote]
Eagerly anticipating Fred's answer to this one.
RamistThomist
Puritanboard Assessor
Ok, since this thread is not yet dead, I have though we just don't know what a witch is. Here are some good definitions:
1) A hideous old woman who is in a wicked league with the devil; or
2) A stunningly beautiful young woman in a league of wickedness beyond the devil (most women would fit this one).
1) A hideous old woman who is in a wicked league with the devil; or
2) A stunningly beautiful young woman in a league of wickedness beyond the devil (most women would fit this one).
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