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Osage Bluestem

Puritan Board Junior
Even advertisements have become intolerable causing me to change the channel or mute the sound.
And that's the best type of censorship.
Well, it's getting to the point where we have to never watch tv, read a novel, magazine, or surf the internet. We almost have to travel anywhere looking straight ahead or at our feet to avoid something pornographic.

Physical pollution of the world is illegal and can get one thrown into prison or at least a large fine. Why is spiritual pollution of the world without repercussion and even encouraged? We shouldn't have to live like that. We can't just change the channel and turn a blind eye. The reason filth is absolutely everywhere tells me that we as the church aren't doing our jobs in the world.
 

TimV

Puritanboard Botanist
I think we have to acknowledge we are living in the days of Sodom in the Old Testament.
Don't polish brass on a sinking ship? ;-)

Hyperbole is all well and good and useful, but even in my blue collar neighborhood here on the Left Coast if I had a male guest over not one single man from my whole town would come over and demand that I give my guest over to be raped by him. I suppose I can (barely) imagine someone high on something doing so, but even if I were incapable of protecting my guest, one of the neighbors would come down with a bat or a gun and when they scraped the guy up everyone would laugh.

Actually if you look at things dispassionately we're in something of an historical high point morally. Even in Sweden and Holland and Scotland such a thing is hardly conceivable, let alone the entire town including law enforcement standing in front of a person's door clamoring for homo gang rape. For that, you're pretty much limited to a few small villages in our allies Afghanistan or Pakistan, and it's been that way there since at least the time of Alexander the Great.

So, I think it may be a bit early to throw in the towel and acquiesce to naked 13 year old girls romping around on prime time.
 

Zenas

Snow Miser
Covenant Eyes is good for internet accountability. But, if you have children in the house or struggle with the temptation yourself it is not enough. Use a server based filter like American Family Online provides. You can still have sites visited sent to an accountability partner, but the do a very good job at filtering sites and eliminating spam if you use their email service. If you can't get there you can't see it.
I would recommend this if accountability alone isn't enough. However, I know of few who won't change their ways if they are met with a sobbing wife with good cause.
 

carlgobelman

Puritan Board Freshman
This is one area where I support censorship laws. I would love to see p0rnography banned and decency laws enacted in all public places and domains. ID verification and password protection should be required by law to access it on the internet, and it should never be placed on a billboard or in any public area.
As one who struggled(s) with this particular sin, all I can say is...:amen:

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My point is I don't want the secular government drawing the line between was is obscene and what isn't. I should be the one deciding what my family watches based on biblical principles, not the government based on some arbitrary standard. If they can allow too much obscenity they can outlaw too much of what is good and right - I would rather them not regulate the airwaves at all. I suppose that's the libertarian in me coming out again. ;)
Gov't censorship is a sticky issue I agree, but some things are so over the top that I believe the gov't must (I can't believe I'm saying this) do something; if for no other reason than to protect the general welfare (which is part of its mandate).

I forget who it was (I think it was Justice Stewart) who said "I can't define p0rnography, but I know it when I see it." There are some clear examples of indecent and pornographic material that has no place in public venues that cater to mixed audiences. You won't (and probably shouldn't) see a complete ban on p0rnography, but that doesn't mean it should be forced on everyone. We need to reinstitute the concept of the 'red light district;' segregate it instead of mainstreaming it.
 

VilnaGaon

Puritan Board Sophomore
I am rather glad for the censorship laws in my land, though it could be better.
I once did landscaping for a new Canadian of Singaporean origin. He was not a Christian and he told me that one of the biggest differences between Canada and Singapore was the great difficulty in getting **** in Singapore. He told me of a former Prime Minister of Singapore who was very Victorian in morality and firmly believed and publicly stated that p0rnography would destroy any civilisation. Looking around here in Toronto, the Sin Capital of Canada, I would agree with that Prime Minister. :2cents:
 

Marrow Man

Drunk with Powder
I have discovered that this extends even beyond visual images and sometimes finds itself in unlikely places. For example, there are two restaurants here in Louisville that feature sexually suggestive slogans on t-shirts worn by their waitstaff. Skyline Chili makes an allusion to multiple partners, and Smokey Bones makes suggestive anatomical comments. I have simply concluded not to dine at those establishments and recommend to others that they do the same. :2cents:
 

LawrenceU

Puritan Board Doctor
Covenant Eyes is good for internet accountability. But, if you have children in the house or struggle with the temptation yourself it is not enough. Use a server based filter like American Family Online provides. You can still have sites visited sent to an accountability partner, but the do a very good job at filtering sites and eliminating spam if you use their email service. If you can't get there you can't see it.
I would recommend this if accountability alone isn't enough. However, I know of few who won't change their ways if they are met with a sobbing wife with good cause.

I'm not that concerned about a man in his stiff necked sin in my comment. My recommendation stems from the chance that children can inadvertently open a bad site while not attempting to do so. That, and preventing anyone, child or adult (especially if the adult faces temptation in this area) to accidentally see p*rn. I can't tell you how many times, as a pastor, I have counseled families whose children who were doing homework on something as innocuous as George Washington's childhood, raising chicks, or just about anything and where directed to really vile stuff by a link search link that looked real. (That hell spawned industry is not passive. The aggressively use the internet and email to lure younger and younger people into their perversions.)
 

Christopher88

Puritan Board Sophomore
I hate **** and the adult industry, and like many men here struggle time to time. As much as cencorship would help allot of folks, guess what that is taking the easy way out. If pastors can't control their eyes they have no right to lead the Church. The elders in the Church should remove him of his position until he has it under control.
As for Christians within in the body who struggle, we are at war. The best way to fight in a war is to get rid of it your self. If the TV causes you to sin, then take your TV and throw it out the window. If its your computer, considering this is a needed tool in today's' world. Put your computer in a public place, and don't go on it when your alone.

I do not agree with censorship, just because our morals are more Godly, does not mean we should censor everything that goes against God. Jesus did not do that, He taught and went against the evils of this world.

The trick is to fight it, if enough of us say no to pron, then others will follow; with that the collapse of adult industry will have to close.

Fight them. You can't call mommy to put a kid in timeout. Sometimes you got to take that bully and put him in his place. Be men and stand against it. Look at Jesus in Luke 4.
 

iahm87

Puritan Board Freshman
p0rnography destroys lives. Praise God He set me free from it. I'll never go back to it again ever.
 

Andrew P.C.

Puritan Board Junior
Just for thought...

p0rnography and the adult industry is an effect from the heart of man. Christ said, "For out of the heart come evil thoughts... adulteries, fornications.."[Matthew 15:19]. Man's hatred for God and desire for self-centered pleasures has caused an outpouring of such evil inventions as explicit sites, magazinez, etc. Remember Romans 1: "18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness...21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.... 25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen...". Then it even gives explicit acts of sexual immorality: " for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

Knowing that man, by their very nature, are "inventors of evil" and "haters of God(Romans 1:30)", why would you ask these very same men(secular government out of all places) to put on a ban for something they praise? Why would you ask worshippers of the immoral to put a ban in the name of the moral good? The government is there to protect the people through the "sword" i.e. physical harm, terrorism, etc... The government is not here to put a moral standard on those who have none. Moral purity is based upon glorifying God.

For those who want federal censorship on such things... your hearts and minds are in the right place(morally speaking) but your direction is(in my opinion) not. Christ did not come here to set a moral standard but to seek and save the lost from eternal severance from God.

I hate p0rnography with a passion. I struggle with it, but as one has already mentioned: "we are here to be a light unto the world by proclaiming the Gospel of Christ", not set moral standards to those who hate God[second half of sentence is my thought].
 

earl40

Puritan Board Professor
I want to organize a group of 50-70yo ladies from our church to have tea at our local strip club every Friday and Saturday night. How long do you think this would be allowed?
 

Andres

Puritan Board Doctor
I want to organize a group of 50-70yo ladies from our church to have tea at our local strip club every Friday and Saturday night. How long do you think this would be allowed?
:confused: huh? Am i missing something?
 

Pergamum

Ordinary Guy (TM)
There are tons of books out there about male uninvovlement in church and the lack of men serving God vocationally.

Do you think any of this is related to the sexual-guilt associated with prn? They feel like - since they have failed in the past or recently - that they might as well not even try to be holy because they are already polluted?

Men feel like staying away from church or other service because they don't want to deal with the shame of their desires?


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TimV

Puritanboard Botanist
For those who want federal censorship on such things... your hearts and minds are in the right place(morally speaking) but your direction is(in my opinion) not. Christ did not come here to set a moral standard but to seek and save the lost from eternal severance from God.
He came to, among other things, reinforce a moral standard; even to the point of making it more difficult, as per the subject of this thread.

Mat. 28: 27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'[e] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Christ wanted a Federal ban on buying and selling at the Temple, and He got really nice and direct.

Mat 21:12 And Jesus entered into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of he money-changers, and the seats of them that sold the doves;
 

Dao

Puritan Board Freshman
You're absolutely right. It's out of control. The only part I disagree with is having password verification to access it - It should be illegal to put it on the internet or publish it at all.
I thought there were talk about adding .xxx to Internet. Someone suggested that all p*orn should rest at .xxx instead of .com and make it illegal to use .com for p*orn site. What happened to that idea?

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The Chinese hermits explains it better. To improve health, spirit and mind, one must contain their sperm. They claim that the spirit rests in the kidney and is in direct link to the genital area. To spill the sperm too frequently will harm the kidneys and create poor health and possible death. "Too much of it would cause one the be blind" might ring true. Hermits and possibly monks contain their sperm for maximum heath. That's why I feel better :D
 
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Andrew P.C.

Puritan Board Junior
For those who want federal censorship on such things... your hearts and minds are in the right place(morally speaking) but your direction is(in my opinion) not. Christ did not come here to set a moral standard but to seek and save the lost from eternal severance from God.
He came to, among other things, reinforce a moral standard; even to the point of making it more difficult, as per the subject of this thread.

Mat. 28: 27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'[e] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Christ wanted a Federal ban on buying and selling at the Temple, and He got really nice and direct.

Mat 21:12 And Jesus entered into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of he money-changers, and the seats of them that sold the doves;
So Christ came to tell the reprobate "23Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering." You're going to have a hard time trying to say that the reprobate are to give offerings to God. The reprobate aren't worshippers of God.

Where exactly does it say that Christ appealed to the Roman empire to have a ban on buying and selling in the market place?
 

Pergamum

Ordinary Guy (TM)
You're absolutely right. It's out of control. The only part I disagree with is having password verification to access it - It should be illegal to put it on the internet or publish it at all.
I thought there were talk about adding .xxx to Internet. Someone suggested that all p*orn should rest at .xxx instead of .com and make it illegal to use .com for p*orn site. What happened to that idea?

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The Chinese hermits explains it better. To improve health, spirit and mind, one must contain their sperm. They claim that the spirit rests in the kidney and is in direct link to the genital area. To spill the sperm too frequently will harm the kidneys and create poor health and possible death. "Too much of it would cause one the be blind" might ring true. Hermits and possibly monks contain their sperm for maximum heath. That's why I feel better :D
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There is no evidence that retaining sperm is healthier. A fulfilling marriage might be the most healthy of all.
 

Semper Fidelis

2 Timothy 2:24-25
Staff member
Andrew,

I think the issue is a bit more complicated than this.

I'm a firm believer in the notion that God's authority on this earth exists within different spheres but those spheres are not precisely divisible. The Magistrate is God's instrument for the suppression of evil within fallen human societies while the Church rules within the sphere of the visible people of God. I say it's not precisely divisible because we can't simply stand by at times and allow the destruction of other lives but, at the same time, the real Power that the Church wields is the Preaching of the Word and does not bear the Sword.

p0rnography is wrong not because it is wrong merely for those united to Christ to engage in un-Godly practices but because it is against the Law of God written on men's hearts. Magistrates will one day answer to God for all manner of permitting and promoting evil because they were ordained to be God's ministers of restraining evil on this earth.

p0rnography objectifies and destroys the image of God that men are created in. Men know and understand that this is evil because they bear the image of God whether or not they claim Christ as their Savior. Magistrates do not have the authority to do injury to the image of God in objectifying man created in God's image any more than they have the authority to destroy a human life.

The problem with society as it has degrade morally is that it has continued to recede philosophically. Modernism made man believe that he was the measure of all things and that God could be pushed to the corner of faith while human reason would determine what was true based on the physical phenomena or reasoned from within the will of man.

Philosophy took a predictable route in greater and greater skepticism and, eventually with the Nihilists, determined that the logical end to this philosophy was meaninglessness. Naturalistic existentialism tried to resurrect meaning by placing it within man but post-Modernism has most recently challenged any objective standard on the basis that all meta-narratives (ways to understand reality) are essentially power plays.

If man is the measure, they reason, then why must I agree to history or law or science that is the preference of any given society? In other words, without God, any view of reality proposed by a man or a group of men, has no bearing upon me and is an arbitrary set of norms cooked up by those who have the power to make those norms.

This is where we find the state of Law within our culture. The current norm for laws is stated this way (in so many words): We have grown beyond the point where we can appeal to any transcendent standard for law and the only validity for any law is the prevailing view of any culture.

Consequently, p0rnography is only bound in our laws insofar as our society generally agrees it ought to be bound because man is the measure and there is no appeal to anything outside of human power to set a more. There are no ethics (transcendent values) but only mores (what society is willing to accept).

Thus, as soon as the society degrades to the point where pedophilia and other sick objectifying behavior becomes mainstream, we will see laws relax in that direction.

I guess what I'm saying is that we ought not be too quick to defend the notion that the State has some sort of independent power to determine its laws. The laws that permit moral evil are evil themselves by the only standard that is not completely arbitrary. God's people may not always be in a position to change the laws but neither ought we to assume that we can simply ignore that which is an evil law and assume that the State has no authority or responsibility to enforce moral good. It is a judgment upon our culture that we have the laws and the magistrates that we do and reflects the captivity to Sin that permeates: man will be as God and so the State will wield the sword as if it is God.
 

Andrew P.C.

Puritan Board Junior
Andrew,

I think the issue is a bit more complicated than this.

I'm a firm believer in the notion that God's authority on this earth exists within different spheres but those spheres are not precisely divisible. The Magistrate is God's instrument for the suppression of evil within fallen human societies while the Church rules within the sphere of the visible people of God. I say it's not precisely divisible because we can't simply stand by at times and allow the destruction of other lives but, at the same time, the real Power that the Church wields is the Preaching of the Word and does not bear the Sword.

p0rnography is wrong not because it is wrong merely for those united to Christ to engage in un-Godly practices but because it is against the Law of God written on men's hearts. Magistrates will one day answer to God for all manner of permitting and promoting evil because they were ordained to be God's ministers of restraining evil on this earth.

p0rnography objectifies and destroys the image of God that men are created in. Men know and understand that this is evil because they bear the image of God whether or not they claim Christ as their Savior. Magistrates do not have the authority to do injury to the image of God in objectifying man created in God's image any more than they have the authority to destroy a human life.

The problem with society as it has degrade morally is that it has continued to recede philosophically. Modernism made man believe that he was the measure of all things and that God could be pushed to the corner of faith while human reason would determine what was true based on the physical phenomena or reasoned from within the will of man.

Philosophy took a predictable route in greater and greater skepticism and, eventually with the Nihilists, determined that the logical end to this philosophy was meaninglessness. Naturalistic existentialism tried to resurrect meaning by placing it within man but post-Modernism has most recently challenged any objective standard on the basis that all meta-narratives (ways to understand reality) are essentially power plays.

If man is the measure, they reason, then why must I agree to history or law or science that is the preference of any given society? In other words, without God, any view of reality proposed by a man or a group of men, has no bearing upon me and is an arbitrary set of norms cooked up by those who have the power to make those norms.

This is where we find the state of Law within our culture. The current norm for laws is stated this way (in so many words): We have grown beyond the point where we can appeal to any transcendent standard for law and the only validity for any law is the prevailing view of any culture.

Consequently, p0rnography is only bound in our laws insofar as our society generally agrees it ought to be bound because man is the measure and there is no appeal to anything outside of human power to set a more. There are no ethics (transcendent values) but only mores (what society is willing to accept).

Thus, as soon as the society degrades to the point where pedophilia and other sick objectifying behavior becomes mainstream, we will see laws relax in that direction.

I guess what I'm saying is that we ought not be too quick to defend the notion that the State has some sort of independent power to determine its laws. The laws that permit moral evil are evil themselves by the only standard that is not completely arbitrary. God's people may not always be in a position to change the laws but neither ought we to assume that we can simply ignore that which is an evil law and assume that the State has no authority or responsibility to enforce moral good. It is a judgment upon our culture that we have the laws and the magistrates that we do and reflects the captivity to Sin that permeates: man will be as God and so the State will wield the sword as if it is God.
After reading this post, I've been trying to think about the implications of what you are saying. We are not to lean upon a fallen government for moral fidelity. This is a topic I'm somewhat having a difficulty with. The government is to protect the people from evil, but at the same time the government is not a guide for morality. We as believers can't and are not called to transform a nation but rather we are called to proclaim the Gospel of our beloved Lord.

This is definently a topic I want continue.
 

Semper Fidelis

2 Timothy 2:24-25
Staff member
After reading this post, I've been trying to think about the implications of what you are saying. We are not to lean upon a fallen government for moral fidelity. This is a topic I'm somewhat having a difficulty with. The government is to protect the people from evil, but at the same time the government is not a guide for morality. We as believers can't and are not called to transform a nation but rather we are called to proclaim the Gospel of our beloved Lord.

This is definently a topic I want continue.
I don't want to give you the impression that the government is a guide for morality. Quite the contrary. As I noted, our own society's laws are increasingly fashioned according to the social morays (what is the general public opinion) as opposed to any transcendent standard. Nietzsche pretty much exposed the arbitrary nature of Truth when one begins with man as the ultimate starting and ending point for inquiry. We're left now with no purpose or transcendence for man but only whatever public sentiment will sustain.

But this is all smoke and mirrors for man because he knows he is created in God's image and most simply cannot stomach the consequences of a philosophy created in man's image. Men will rail against the horrors of the regimes of this world while simultaneously sipping wine and declaring that there is no Truth.

Do a search for the phrase "out of step" in the News section of Google and you'll find that it is a typical term used by people promoting the advancement of humankind. For many, because they don't want to go the route of meaninglessness, they convince themselves that progress (evolutionary) is inevitable. Most modern conceptions of history have a view of history in which it is inexorably progressive. History becomes an idol as either the past (what was) becomes the norm for conservatives or the present evolution of society (what is) becomes normative for the progressives.

In other words, there is no transcendent standard but public sentiment itself becomes normative. This obviously ties into the ethics of modern culture but reflects a philosophy of man that is bound to the here and now such that history cannot learn from itself but can only look at things the way they are to make value judgments.

Thus, the real question for many is to measure public opinion and if a majority of the people find something is acceptable then man has progressed to the point where the norm becomes what is accepted.

I found an article where advertisers were going to gage public opinion about the use of sexually suggestive images involving children to determine where the flow of opinion was on the matter. If it was determined that advertisers were "out of step" with public sentiment then the advertising group might revisit its guidelines for advertisers.

This is a long way of saying that one's view of ethics is related to one's view of history is related to the view of man is related to their view of God. I don't look to the government to determine ethical norms and, even when the killing of people becomes normal because it is publicly acceptable, I cannot accede to those laws.

The point of contact with all men is that they are created in the image of God. The Church is fundamentally to be in the sphere of preaching the Gospel to men who are dead in their sins and trespasses but we also have a role as citizens within the sphere of human government to decry evil and p0rnography is evil.

That is not to say that I encourage my Pastor to stop preaching the Gospel or to endorse candidates or redirect the energy of the Church away from preaching the Word and administering the Sacraments. It is, however, noting that government has no inherent authority to arbitrarily make laws that are simply based upon the tides of public opinion.

In other words, one does not need the Church to take up the Sword of the Magistrate to do its work for it. The Church remains the Church and faithful to its mission but it does mean that I have every right to tell the State that it needs to wield the Sword it has been given by God according to the only transcendent norms they have the right to expect obedience by before God. I'm not looking for "heaven on Earth" from human governments but there are some evils where love of neighbor requires me to step in and say "this is wrong" even as I would be required to obey an order if it was unlawful. Remember that the trials at Nuremberg did not allow German Officers to simply say "I was only following orders."
 

Andrew P.C.

Puritan Board Junior
In other words, there is no transcendent standard but public sentiment itself becomes normative.
This hits the spot of my earlier posts. Man has no standard but himself. Man is created in the image of God and has the Law written on his heart, but man is by nature evil. Man's morality comes from his own corruption. The government isn't some abstract idea, it's ran by men and women.

We must lean upon God for protection within our families from moral evil.

All I can say is... living in a post-modern world is hard, but we must be that light in the darkness.
 

strangecharm

Puritan Board Freshman
When there are X-rated YouTube variants all over the internet, and file-sharing networks full of the stuff (some of which IS actually illegal), it is a very difficult thing to regulate now. As one in the middle of this battle, I can tell you that no software is foolproof, and no book can help, save one.

Only when I'm eyeballs-deep in the Words and in regular prayer does the battle even become winnable.

Know this: This battle is JUST LIKE all other mortification. I'm not sure why we single it out from gluttony, pride, materialism, and the like.
 

buggy

Puritan Board Freshman
This is one area where I support censorship laws. I would love to see p0rnography banned and decency laws enacted in all public places and domains. ID verification and password protection should be required by law to access it on the internet, and it should never be placed on a billboard or in any public area.
Hmm... while certainly no Christian should touch that thing, I question the validity of government policy to outlaw it/and enforce decency laws, or most "moral laws" in general. For it's one thing to say "the land must conform to God's laws", and another to actively execute it.

You see, these divine laws are given to us by a perfect God, and it is impossible for us, fallible Man to enforce it totally. Suppose if you want to ban p*rn, you will only get an underground black market because the heart of the people as a whole has still not changed. And what about corruption from the very people who enforce the law?

I foresee something like that will end up in failure just like Prohibition.

The best way to fight this sin has always been through the Church and the Gospel of Christ. Why would unbelievers want to hear us out when sexuality in professing (evangelical) Christendom is almost as bad as the world? With divorce (and separation) rates sky-high, big sex scandals time to time (e.g. Ted Haggard), pre-marital sex, and of course the prevalence of surfing p*rn, we are NOT in a position to campaign for the State to enforce what we believe. We should as the Bible said, to "cast the beam" out of our eye first.
 

ChristopherPaul

Puritan Board Senior
Censorship may be a slippery slope. All sin should be technically censored; it is all heinous in comparison to Holy.

Christians everywhere must attend to the means of grace (Word of God, Sacraments, and Prayer). Focus on fearing God, and keeping his commandments until, as CS Lewis said it, you express the same delight in God which made David dance.
 

Dao

Puritan Board Freshman
(clipped) . . . There is no evidence that retaining sperm is healthier. A fulfilling marriage might be the most healthy of all.
Ancient Chinese medical scientist held that "To conserve health one should practice abstinence. The practice of sex is suggested as follows: once in several days at the age of twenty, once in ten days at thirty, once in twenty-eight days at forty, and once in forty or fifty days at fifty. When one is sixty, his life has come to the final stage: he should stop practice of sex and subject himself to nonaction and the seeking of peace and quietness. Emission is to be abandoned." It is worth our while to learn that the ancients believe the abstinence of sex is very important in conserving health.
 

LawrenceU

Puritan Board Doctor
(clipped) . . . There is no evidence that retaining sperm is healthier. A fulfilling marriage might be the most healthy of all.
Ancient Chinese medical scientist held that "To conserve health one should practice abstinence. The practice of sex is suggested as follows: once in several days at the age of twenty, once in ten days at thirty, once in twenty-eight days at forty, and once in forty or fifty days at fifty. When one is sixty, his life has come to the final stage: he should stop practice of sex and subject himself to nonaction and the seeking of peace and quietness. Emission is to be abandoned." It is worth our while to learn that the ancients believe the abstinence of sex is very important in conserving health.

It is more important to remember what the Scripture says about sexual health and practice. There is ample evidence that shows men enjoying the wives of their youth into what we would consider old age. In addition to that there is also rather firm evidence showing that men who are abstain from regular intercourse in their marriage have a much higher incidence of prostate problems and prostate cancer.
 

Pergamum

Ordinary Guy (TM)
(clipped) . . . There is no evidence that retaining sperm is healthier. A fulfilling marriage might be the most healthy of all.
Ancient Chinese medical scientist held that "To conserve health one should practice abstinence. The practice of sex is suggested as follows: once in several days at the age of twenty, once in ten days at thirty, once in twenty-eight days at forty, and once in forty or fifty days at fifty. When one is sixty, his life has come to the final stage: he should stop practice of sex and subject himself to nonaction and the seeking of peace and quietness. Emission is to be abandoned." It is worth our while to learn that the ancients believe the abstinence of sex is very important in conserving health.
The ancients were dumb regarding many topics.
 
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