Ex Nihilo
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Honestly, I really can't. Liberals are all about interfering with parents' rights once the children are born.
Punishment for Abortions?
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Honestly, I really can't. Liberals are all about interfering with parents' rights once the children are born.
SolaScriptura
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Josh,
I think it would be helpful if you would elaborate. I want to make sure you're not commiting something that I see folks do all the time: equating the legality of something with the morality of it.
Legality refers to what is permissible and/or punishable in accordance with the penal code of a given society.
Morality refers to what is right or wrong at a transcendent level. Specifically, morality is revealed in God's Word.
Of course we do not have the authority to declare "right" what God has declared "wrong," and of course our laws which enforce a view of right and wrong should be in conformity with what God says on the matter, but it is nonetheless possible for a society to pass laws and thereby endorse behavior that is contrary to what is morally right.
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BTW - I don't buy the argument that abortion providers should be charged with manslaughter on the grounds that "they don't think they're killing a person." The Nazis didn't think they were killing "persons" either! But beyond that, what they've deluded themselves into believing is really moot. They've cooly, rationally, and premeditatedly killed a human being. Therefore, I would support the death penalty.
Theoretical
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Not quite the same, but we have these abominations happen:
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Thomas2007
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Well, it would be no different if you hired an assassin to kill someone you wanted eliminated. Same activity, same laws would cover it.
Ex Nihilo
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Truly disgusting!!!
reformed trucker
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I think the abortionist should have his arms and legs ripped from his torso;
or shove a scalpel into the base of his head and suck his brains out.
Oh, wait, wait... that would be cruel and unusual punishment because he's
OUTSIDE the womb!
Must...stop...using...logic!
or shove a scalpel into the base of his head and suck his brains out.
Oh, wait, wait... that would be cruel and unusual punishment because he's
OUTSIDE the womb!
Must...stop...using...logic!
I think his point would be that, when a society has passes things of that nature, they cannot properly be called "law." Sure, they are edicts from proper authority that, unless obeyed, carry punishment. But, there is more to law than that. The view you espouse is called legal positivism (though, there are many forms), and the predominance of that view has brought sweeping, and negative, change to our legal system.
You, of course, would not use it in any of those negative ways, and I don't mean to assert as much. But, it should make one uncomfortable to look around at who else views law the same way.
Just because a legislature (or judge, king, magistrate, et al) says so doesn't make something law.
Anton Bruckner
Puritan Board Professor
the Bible explicitly mandates the death penalty. I do not think that there is any woman alive today that is ignorant of the fact that she is engaging in murder when she haves an abortion. Both the woman and the doctor should be stoned forthwith.
SolaScriptura
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Perhaps we're just looking at it from different ways, but as I see it, you are incorrect. There are just and unjust laws (and along a sliding scale: more just and less just) laws, but when the legislature - in our case - says so... yes, it IS a law.
Theognome
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I think that the punishment should fit the crime. Therefore, wrap the abortionist tightly in thick rubber, and then slowly stick a blender through the back of his/her skull. Turn blender on high and then suck the abortionist out of the rubber wrap through a 1/2" diameter straw.
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Grymir
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We also should not forget the dude that got her pregnant either. I know in this liberal society, that "woman's right's" trumps all, but it's not just her baby. I'm all for anything that will help marriages in our society. Single parents, shack-ups, abortion, homosexuality are all related as a symptom of our turning away from God.
I don't know how or what he should be punished, just like the woman. But doctors know it's murder and should be punished as such.
I don't know how or what he should be punished, just like the woman. But doctors know it's murder and should be punished as such.
I come to my conclusion mostly based on passages such as Galations 5:22-23.
Almost the entirety of Christ's disciples were martyred because of laws against love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
Preaching the gospel is all of those wonderful things, and so is any other right worship of Him. Yet, the civil authorities had them killed for it.
So how can Paul say there is no law against these things, when there quite plainly is?
The answer is that so-called laws against these good deeds are, in fact, not law at all. And Christians are not just free to disobey them because they are unjust laws, but they are even more free to ignore them because they are not law at all.
It's not that the magistrate should not outlaw preaching the gospel, but that he cannot. In the same way, it's not that he should not make abortion legal; it's that it is not possible at all.
SolaScriptura
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If that is the basis for your argument... I'm sorry, but I think you've grossly misinterpreted this text...
brianeschen
Puritan Board Junior
According to Scripture, abortion is murder. Murder is to be punished by the death penalty. If the civil magistrate refuses to enforce the death penalty in this case, they will answer to God for it. They are after all God's "ministers" and are therefore required to administer what is written in the Book (the Bible).
In the end, the practical difference between our views is minimal. It is only regarding the proper application of a specific word, and is not necessarily a sign of differing principles. I do, though, believe the bible teaches that God is the only law-giver, and as such we can only apply the word "law" to the extent that man's rule is faithful to God's laws. Instead of a scale of just vs. unjust, it is a sliding scale of law vs. not-law.
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reformed trucker
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I think that this is a major contributor to the abortion issue. Men aren't men anymore; many are just snivelling, self-centered little sallies. They need to man up and own their responsibilities.
Many years ago (mid 80's) I befriended a gal who worked at a gas station close to where I fueled up. Guess I'm easy to talk to; she told me her boyfriend (who loooooved her) got her pregnant. She couldn't tell her parents, because her dad would have killed her (figure of speach, I'm sure).
Her boyfriend gave her 200$ to get it "taken care of". Didn't even go with her.
She did, and I could tell it tore her up inside. My heart just broke as she told me this story. I could never, ever ask a woman to do this. I don't care if I hated her guts & I had to pay for 18 years!
I've also heard some lame justifications for abortion also. The best man at my wedding got married 6 months after me. Two years down the road he found out his wife was 3 1/2 months pregnant before their wedding, and she had an abortion without telling him because she wanted to look good in her wedding dress. Their marriage lasted less than 10 years.
I better quit before I get too revved up...
Anton Bruckner
Puritan Board Professor
talk about having the right priorities.
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