Reformation Heritage Study Bible Appreciation Post

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Faithhopelove24

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I wanted to make an appreciation post for the RHB Study Bible and see who else has been benefitting from this great work. What a fantastic study Bible. Other than it being a little big (it is a study Bible after all), and only being available in the KJV, this could be the only Bible you really need. It has great notes and helpful applicational/devotional thoughts for worship in private or with others. It has many great articles throughout. It has all the major creeds and confessions in the back. It has lots of blank sheets for notes. It has a brief version of 20 centuries of church history written by SinclairFerguson. And to top it all off, it is a well-made Bible with nice paper and nice leather options. The only thing keeping me on the fence about making it my all-purpose edc Bible is it is only available in the KJV. I love the KJV but it is not super practical when my church primarily uses the ESV. I do really like how they explain almost all instances of archaic words in the notes.

Anyways, just wanted to express my appreciation and gratitude somewhere.

Who else loves this Bible???
 
We use it daily for family devotions and family worship. I particularly use it due to the "Thoughts for Family Worship" at the end of each chapter. And for me it wins points for being the KJV.
 
I also love this wonderful treasure trove that the Lord has blessed His church with! The study notes are thoroughly biblical and Reformed and the creeds and confessions are wonderful to have in one volume. The family worship at the end of each chapter is also priceless. I love the book introductions and I find them very helpful. The Christian living articles are also extremely practical and encouraging. Personally, I almost exclusively use the KJV anyway, so having a Reformed Study Bible in the KJV is the best part for me. Everything else is just further blessing! The Lord has used this Bible wonderfully in my life and I would heartily recommend it to anyone.
 
A lover of it here as well. I own a premium copy, a cheaper zipper copy, and two hardcover giant print editions.
 
I’ve never read it, but I just bought one (condensed) for a family member who is turning back to the faith. They have a lot of questions and are not plugged into a church body. I figured this would be a good start for them!
 
I have been using it this year for my daily Bible readings. I would love to see it in another translation someday, possibly NKJV. They could remove like half the commentary which is where they explain language that is no longer used and add in more info for the meaning of the text. That aside, it is probably my favorite modern study bible behind the reformation study bible from ligonier. The family worship section being unique to this Bible, I do find very valuable as well.
 
I’ve never read it, but I just bought one (condensed) for a family member who is turning back to the faith. They have a lot of questions and are not plugged into a church body. I figured this would be a good start for them!
You may be thinking of the Reformation Study Bible, another great option. That is from Ligonier, the one I am talking about is done by Joel Beeke and Reformation Heritage books.

I have been using it this year for my daily Bible readings. I would love to see it in another translation someday, possibly NKJV. They could remove like half the commentary which is where they explain language that is no longer used and add in more info for the meaning of the text. That aside, it is probably my favorite modern study bible behind the reformation study bible from ligonier. The family worship section being unique to this Bible, I do find very valuable as well.
Yes, I guess that’s probably a big reason it is only available in the KJV, because so many of the notes are specific to that translation. I know Beeke greatly prefers the KJV, but he is not KJVO, so there is hope!
 
You may be thinking of the Reformation Study Bible, another great option. That is from Ligonier, the one I am talking about is done by Joel Beeke and Reformation Heritage books.
I use both these study Bibles. For me they nicely compliment one another.

I do really like how they explain almost all instances of archaic words in the notes.
If they used a quality modern translation such as the NKJV this space could have been used for more quality study notes.
 
The explanatory notes are nothing to write home about. And the highlight which is the application questions are already in a separate book - Family Bible Guide or something. Doubt they will go through the trouble to pay for the license of another translation and spend time adding non KJV related notes. It is the combined work of many people and to get the same pool or new pool of people to do the above… yeah not a good business decision methinks.
 
For a number of years I've wanted the large print hardcover version but unfortunately it is prohibitively expensive in the UK, so I'm choosing to stick to my Reformation Study Bible (NKJV) for the time being.
 
For a number of years I've wanted the large print hardcover version but unfortunately it is prohibitively expensive in the UK, so I'm choosing to stick to my Reformation Study Bible (NKJV) for the time being.
Couldn't someone purchase it for you in the States and then ship it? How much is it to ship to the UK from the US (cheapest shipping option)? You might save some money doing it that way.


Also, it's what we use for family worship. My oldest son uses it for his private devotions, too. Honestly, the older language of the KJV has been a huge help with homeschooling. Having daily exposure to older language like that has kept a lifeline to older writers.
 
Couldn't someone purchase it for you in the States and then ship it? How much is it to ship to the UK from the US (cheapest shipping option)? You might save some money doing it that way.
Looking today, it would be cheaper if I bought directly from RHB even with the shipping so that is an option, thanks.
 
Looking today, it would be cheaper if I bought directly from RHB even with the shipping so that is an option, thanks.
I think it was you whom I thought said at one time were an avid eBook user as well. Dont know if you have Logos, but it is only $26 there, and, you will be able to adjust the font size to as large as you need it. You would have to have a tablet though to read it. I dont think there would be any shipping costs associated with that.
 
We use it daily for family devotions and family worship. I particularly use it due to the "Thoughts for Family Worship" at the end of each chapter. And for me it wins points for being the KJV.
FYI: All the "Thoughts for Personal and Family Worship" for every chapter in the Bible have been published together as a separate volume, the "Family Worship Bible Guide," which RHB published in 2016 as a nice small-ish hardback book. I've been told that the RH Study Bible has not been a big seller because it's only available in the KJV. No surprise there.
 
Count me in as a fan of this Bible. I think I have bought somewhere around 10 different versions of it (print and electronic). I consider it essential and a primary resource for any Bible software I use. This is a superb study Bible!
 
The explanatory notes are nothing to write home about.
I think this is a little harsh. I find the notes theologically and spiritually perceptive. Yes I wish the notes were a little fuller. As a number of us have previously said if the study Bible had used a quality modern translation, the space used for explaining archaic language in the KJV could have been used for fuller study notes. But the actual study notes in the RHSB are very helpful. I use them along with the RSB.
And the highlight which is the application questions are already in a separate book - Family Bible Guide
I do not have this book but the spiritual application notes in each chapter in the RHSB adds to its usefulness In my humble opinion.
 
I know some people don't like the use of the KJV as the Bible text on which the commentary is based, but for people in the American fundamentalist world, that's a huge advantage.

I am not KJV-only. I use the KJV because if I use anything else I will be accused of being a liberal or compromiser and I don't need that unnecessary fight.

My understanding -- and someone please correct me if I'm wrong -- is that Dr. Beeke's project is the one and only modern KJV commentary that is written from a Reformed perspective. KJV people are routinely using dispensational or other study Bibles because they're available and they don't trust a commentary based on a text other than the KJV.

I don't want to get into the underlying textual issues. As I said, I'm not KJV-only and I have yet to see any valid arguments against the NKJV.

But for people who won't consider anything other than the KJV to be acceptable, I believe Dr. Beeke's project provides a way to present them with a study Bible from a Reformed perspective.
 
It's more likely that the KJV is public domain; so, all sales if produced solely by RHB, go back to RHB. Which is still kind of odd, since I think there are now a couple of professional (meaning professionally translated by teams of scholars) public-domain contemporary translations as well they could use. What steers me away from it, is I thought it was annotated with past Reformed commentators, but instead, I think it is all from modern teachers. I could be wrong on this though.

We have students from Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary here who can correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, the Heritage Reformed Congregations are officially a KJV denomination so it would be a major surprise to me if they **DIDN'T** use the KJV as their base text. In a previous generation that would have been normal in conservative circles, including conservative Reformed circles, with the Christian Reformed Church being the one major exception to that rule.

There had been **REALLY** strong opposition in conservative circles to the creation of the RSV, most of which was legitimate due to the translation committee including liberals and being sponsored by the National Council of Churches. Because the CRC was still mostly a Dutch immigrant denomination there had been openness, even from a very early date, to alternatives to the KJV because of difficulties faced by people for whom English was a second language trying to understand the KJV. It wasn't a big surprise that the CRC and a number of Calvin Seminary professors took the lead in creating the committee that eventually produced the NIV as an evangelical alternative to the RSV that would provide an option for those who struggled with the KJV's older English, or had problems with the Textus Receptus, but objected to the RSV's translation principles.

The problem is that the NIV, by adopting a "dynamic equivalence" principle of translation, and then playing footsie with feminist issues in later revision efforts, made itself unacceptable to a lot of people it was intended to reach. Today we have a number of other alternative translations that provide an option that is closer to the text than the NIV but doesn't have the RSV's problems of liberalism, and we also have the NKJV for people who want to stick with the Textus Receptus.

Most of that didn't exist a generation or two ago so there used be a lot more support for the KJV in Reformed circles than there is today.

I remember an elder from the Crescent Street congregation (Dr. Beeke's church), back in the 1990s when it was still in the NRC, saying at a NRC synod meeting that the synod had no authority to do certain things, and he cited amending the church order and changing the KJV to NIV as examples of things the synod had no authority to do. Now of course that's one speech by one man, but he made his speech with the assumption that everybody on the floor of synod would agree with him, and nobody did disagree with him.

At least back then, that shows how much the use of the KJV was assumed in those circles.

Again, I'm not KJV only. I don't want to get into those debates. Just trying to explain the context -- Dr. Beeke works in a context where some things are assumed, and a lot of other conservative Reformed denominations used to share those assumptions.

Put bluntly, if the only viable options out there were the KJV or RSV, what would most Puritan Board people choose? Or if the only viable options were KJV, RSV or NIV?

I studied under some of the NIV translators at Calvin. I am the first one to say that my Greek today is close to zero, and my Hebrew never was very good. I'm the wrong person to be evaluating the fidelity to the text of modern biblical translations. I'll leave to the people who are experts on Greek and Hebrew to comment on those subjects.

But I sat in class and listened to those professors explaining the principles behind the NIV, and as a person who used to be a big fan of the NIV (my church at that time used the RSV and I knew its liberal problems), I was horrified with what I was hearing from my professors on their principles of Bible translation. Whatever Bible translation we're using, we need to understand its underlying presuppositions. I wouldn't tolerate the translator of a secular contract in private business using "dynamic equivalence" for a business deal with legal consequences, and we have every right to expect greater fidelity to the actual words of the inerrant Word than we can expect from the translators of a business contract.
 
We have students from Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary here who can correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, the Heritage Reformed Congregations are officially a KJV denomination so it would be a major surprise to me if they **DIDN'T** use the KJV as their base text. In a previous generation that would have been normal in conservative circles, including conservative Reformed circles, with the Christian Reformed Church being the one major exception to that rule.

There had been **REALLY** strong opposition in conservative circles to the creation of the RSV, most of which was legitimate due to the translation committee including liberals and being sponsored by the National Council of Churches. Because the CRC was still mostly a Dutch immigrant denomination there had been openness, even from a very early date, to alternatives to the KJV because of difficulties faced by people for whom English was a second language trying to understand the KJV. It wasn't a big surprise that the CRC and a number of Calvin Seminary professors took the lead in creating the committee that eventually produced the NIV as an evangelical alternative to the RSV that would provide an option for those who struggled with the KJV's older English, or had problems with the Textus Receptus, but objected to the RSV's translation principles.

The problem is that the NIV, by adopting a "dynamic equivalence" principle of translation, and then playing footsie with feminist issues in later revision efforts, made itself unacceptable to a lot of people it was intended to reach. Today we have a number of other alternative translations that provide an option that is closer to the text than the NIV but doesn't have the RSV's problems of liberalism, and we also have the NKJV for people who want to stick with the Textus Receptus.

Most of that didn't exist a generation or two ago so there used be a lot more support for the KJV in Reformed circles than there is today.

I remember an elder from the Crescent Street congregation (Dr. Beeke's church), back in the 1990s when it was still in the NRC, saying at a NRC synod meeting that the synod had no authority to do certain things, and he cited amending the church order and changing the KJV to NIV as examples of things the synod had no authority to do. Now of course that's one speech by one man, but he made his speech with the assumption that everybody on the floor of synod would agree with him, and nobody did disagree with him.

At least back then, that shows how much the use of the KJV was assumed in those circles.

Again, I'm not KJV only. I don't want to get into those debates. Just trying to explain the context -- Dr. Beeke works in a context where some things are assumed, and a lot of other conservative Reformed denominations used to share those assumptions.

Put bluntly, if the only viable options out there were the KJV or RSV, what would most Puritan Board people choose? Or if the only viable options were KJV, RSV or NIV?

I studied under some of the NIV translators at Calvin. I am the first one to say that my Greek today is close to zero, and my Hebrew never was very good. I'm the wrong person to be evaluating the fidelity to the text of modern biblical translations. I'll leave to the people who are experts on Greek and Hebrew to comment on those subjects.

But I sat in class and listened to those professors explaining the principles behind the NIV, and as a person who used to be a big fan of the NIV (my church at that time used the RSV and I knew its liberal problems), I was horrified with what I was hearing from my professors on their principles of Bible translation. Whatever Bible translation we're using, we need to understand its underlying presuppositions. I wouldn't tolerate the translator of a secular contract in private business using "dynamic equivalence" for a business deal with legal consequences, and we have every right to expect greater fidelity to the actual words of the inerrant Word than we can expect from the translators of a business contract.
Sorry, I had deleted my comment, as I didnt want to speak on something that I dont know the full intent behind. My main point, is it may be that RHB has chosen to only produce its RHSB in KJV, because the KJV text is public domain. This means they do not need to license translations, nor share any of the sales revenue with other publishers. We can see alternatively, Sproul's Reformation Bible was/is produced in multiple translations, i.e. NKJV, ESV, etc. What I meant by saying that other translations are available, is, I believe there have been in the last 2 decades, multiple serious translations by groups of scholars, (WEB, BSB, etc.) that were placed in the public domain. If monetary issues related to licensing were an issue, possibly, these other translations could have been used.
 
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Sorry, I had deleted my comment, as I didnt want to speak on something that I dont know the full intent behind. My main point, is it may be that RHB has chosen to only produce its RHSB in KJV, because the KJV text is public domain. This means they do not need to license translations, nor share any of the sales revenue with other publishers. We can see alternatively, Sproul's Reformation Bible was/is produced in multiple translations, i.e. NKJV, ESV, etc. What I meant by saying that other translations are available, is, I believe there have been in the last 2 decades, multiple serious translations by groups of scholars, (WEB, BSB, etc.) that were placed in the public domain. If monetary issues related to licensing were an issue, possibly, these other translations could have been used.
Fair enough.

I think that Puritan Reformed Seminary views itself as a niche producer of things for an audience that isn't being served by others, including the "big names" in the Reformed world, and producing a study Bible using the KJV is part of that approach.

I would not want anyone to think I am speaking here for Dr. Beeke or his publishing house, his seminary, or his church. I most emphatically am not, and would not try to do so. The denomination and seminary and publishing house have greatly expanded their horizons since leaving the NRC, and that means they sometimes do things that lead me to say, "I can't believe they're doing 'X.'" Nothing bad, just surprising, and I've several times sent encouragements to Dr. Beeke when I saw him doing things that would have been just unthinkable for them three decades ago -- for example, speaking at John MacArthur's conference and working with their seminary.

I've known Dr. Beeke for thirty years and reported on the founding of their denomination and their seminary back in the 1990s. My wife (who was a professional translator before she married me) translated one of his books into Korean back in the 1990s before she went back to graduate school to get her doctorate, and I understand the background of his ecclesiastical circles, including their use of the KJV. They are not only Dutch Reformed but a very specific type of Dutch Reformed that comes out of the "Second ('Nadere' or 'Further') Reformation" movement in the Netherlands that can broadly be described as "Dutch Puritanism," and they just don't operate the way a more typical American Reformed or Presbyterian denomination would work.
 
Fair enough.

I think that Puritan Reformed Seminary views itself as a niche producer of things for an audience that isn't being served by others, including the "big names" in the Reformed world, and producing a study Bible using the KJV is part of that approach.

I would not want anyone to think I am speaking here for Dr. Beeke or his publishing house, his seminary, or his church. I most emphatically am not, and would not try to do so. The denomination and seminary and publishing house have greatly expanded their horizons since leaving the NRC, and that means they sometimes do things that lead me to say, "I can't believe they're doing 'X.'" Nothing bad, just surprising, and I've several times sent encouragements to Dr. Beeke when I saw him doing things that would have been just unthinkable for them three decades ago -- for example, speaking at John MacArthur's conference and working with their seminary.

I've known Dr. Beeke for thirty years and reported on the founding of their denomination and their seminary back in the 1990s. My wife (who was a professional translator before she married me) translated one of his books into Korean back in the 1990s before she went back to graduate school to get her doctorate, and I understand the background of his ecclesiastical circles, including their use of the KJV. They are not only Dutch Reformed but a very specific type of Dutch Reformed that comes out of the "Second ('Nadere' or 'Further') Reformation" movement in the Netherlands that can broadly be described as "Dutch Puritanism," and they just don't operate the way a more typical American Reformed or Presbyterian denomination would work.
Really just wanted to talk about the study bible and its contents and usefulness...
 
Really just wanted to talk about the study bible and its contents and usefulness...
It's a great item to have on your shelf. The notes are simple yet helpful (like seeing that the KJV is still English, even if it's...OoOoLlLdDd). The articles and other resources are fulsome yet concise. It has creeds, confessions, and catechism, so you can get your daily dose of triple vitamin C. It's reasonably priced, too.

You'll be able to win friends and influence people. Nine out of ten dentists approve.
 
It's a great item to have on your shelf. The notes are simple yet helpful (like seeing that the KJV is still English, even if it's...OoOoLlLdDd). The articles and other resources are fulsome yet concise. It has creeds, confessions, and catechism, so you can get your daily dose of triple vitamin C. It's reasonably priced, too.

You'll be able to win friends and influence people. Nine out of ten dentists approve.
:lol:
 
I bought one for my wife. I love the notes and the devotional aspect. I am not a KJVOist and neither is my wife, although she prefers it.
We use the Family Worship Guide in our family devotions/worship.
 
By the way, I should say that I'm a KJVEVOOOist. King James Version Extra Virgin Olive Oil Onlyist.

Lol. Honestly, and I say it myself, I grow tired of the fine print whenever anyone mentions using the King James Version. It's like you're reading The Communist Manifesto or something and have to give an apology for it. "I promise... it's not what it looks like..."

Check nearly any thread or tap into nearly any conversation where the AV is used, and you'll see the caveats. "I read from the KJV.... I mean! I only have looked at it a couple of times. My best friend uses the ESV. I promise I'm not a weirdo! I mean, King James? Never heard of him!...."
 
I grow tired of the fine print whenever anyone mentions using the King James Version. It's like you're reading The Communist Manifesto or something and have to give an apology for it. "I promise... it's not what it looks like..."
You have a valid point, particularly in mainstream American evangelical and reformed circles. Sometimes other Christians will look genuinely shocked when I read from the KJV in a Bible study. I have found that unbelievers are not so surprised and simply take it for granted that Bible translations employ older language.

However, to be fair, many Christians have only been exposed to various soundbites such as "KJVO is false teaching". Also prevalent is the view that the translations don't differ in any meaningful way (although this is usually accompanied with anti-KJV bias). Perhaps they have encountered the view that the translation is inspired in the same sense as the Greek and Hebrew and cannot possibly be improved.

Therefore, some patience is necessary. When asked, I will affirm that I believe the KJV is reliable, and the most faithful translation, while leaving open the possibility that it could be improved in some minor details. However, simply affirming that one particular translation is the most faithful seems to grate on the sensibilities of many.
 
By the way, I should say that I'm a KJVEVOOOist. King James Version Extra Virgin Olive Oil Onlyist.

Lol. Honestly, and I say it myself, I grow tired of the fine print whenever anyone mentions using the King James Version. It's like you're reading The Communist Manifesto or something and have to give an apology for it. "I promise... it's not what it looks like..."

Check nearly any thread or tap into nearly any conversation where the AV is used, and you'll see the caveats. "I read from the KJV.... I mean! I only have looked at it a couple of times. My best friend uses the ESV. I promise I'm not a weirdo! I mean, King James? Never heard of him!...."
My comment was not meant as a disclaimer, but rather to say that was not the reason that I appreciate it. Which appears to be why others here may enjoy it. I grew up in KJV, Pentecostal circles and have seen firsthand how dogmatic people can be with regard to the KJV.
I did purchase it because my wife is fond of the KJV. I wanted her to have a good study bible that she could enjoy. And she does.

I could care less about what others, especially strangers, think about my bible of choice.

I am an ESV guy. I have an ESV study bible that I absolutely love. As a matter of fact, my children fondly refer to it as "Dad's big fat Bible" :)
It makes me smile every time. I also have the Reformation Study Bible, in ESV, that I really love also, especially all of the extra stuff in the back.
 
My comment was not meant as a disclaimer, but rather to say that was not the reason that I appreciate it. Which appears to be why others here may enjoy it. I grew up in KJV, Pentecostal circles and have seen firsthand how dogmatic people can be with regard to the KJV.
I did purchase it because my wife is fond of the KJV. I wanted her to have a good study bible that she could enjoy. And she does.

I could care less about what others, especially strangers, think about my bible of choice.

I am an ESV guy. I have an ESV study bible that I absolutely love. As a matter of fact, my children fondly refer to it as "Dad's big fat Bible" :)
It makes me smile every time. I also have the Reformation Study Bible, in ESV, that I really love also, especially all of the extra stuff in the back.
Thanks for your comment, Santos.

The timing or placement makes it seem like I'm pointing my finger at you. I can assure you that I'm not. I appreciate your comment, though.

Can we assume you're not an ESVOist? ;)
 
Thanks for your comment, Santos.

The timing or placement makes it seem like I'm pointing my finger at you. I can assure you that I'm not. I appreciate your comment, though.

Can we assume you're not an ESVOist? ;)
Thank you brother. I am not offended at all.

Definitely not an ESVoist. lol
 
Since the ESV uses predominantly the same translation structure as the KJV, surely most of the time the OP is not going to find it difficult to follow along in one when the other is being read or preached from. That sort of issue occurs much more with, say, the NIV and the KJV.
 
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