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Greetings brother. Here is Psalm 10 in English... I honestly don't see the problem with teaching this to congregations. I do agree that some of the Genevan tunes are VERY different from typical 1800s metrical American hymnody, but that tradition of hymnody is almost as foreign to many of today's evangelicals as the Reformation tradition of psalmsinging.

I guess for me, the question is this: the tunes are not inspired by God, and with the possible exception of a couple of psalm tunes that date back to the early Middle Ages and may actually go back to Jewish practice, we don't know what tunes were used in ancient Hebrew singing of the psalms. We therefore have legitimate freedom to craft tunes for singing them.

In theory, we could sing the psalms to anything from Benedictine chants to hard rock syncopations. I think we both agree that it would be unwise to do either in most (perhaps not all) Reformed churches because of the associations of such musical styles with things that Reformed people do not want to be associated with. I'd make an exception for a Reformed Episcopal church in a heavily Catholic country where perhaps using Benedictine chants could be advantageous, and where there is no objection in principle to what most Reformed people would consider "high church worship," but which was in fact used by Archbishops Cranmer and Ussher, who were Reformed men who believed St. Augustine was right about both sovereign grace and the episcopate, a position which most of us on the Puritan Board would disagree, with a few exceptions.

But once we grant two points, namely, 1) that it's acceptable to turn the Psalms into non-literal metrical lyrics (some Anglicans would disagree on this) and 2) that we have freedom to create tunes that are useful in our specific contexts, I think a far better argument can be made for using the Genevan tunes than other options.

Why?

First, the Genevan Psalter is available in almost every major language in which there was a Reformed church at the time of the Reformation, as well as modern translations into Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and Indonesian which were unknown to the Reformers. That means a common psalter can be used worldwide in most but not all major languages that have a Reformed church, whereas the only real alternative, the Scots Psalter, exists primarily in English.

Second, most of the arguments against the Genevan Psalter no longer apply today since most Christians aren't singing metrical hymns anymore from the 1800s. If we're going to have to teach evangelical Christians who become Reformed a whole new way of worship and of singing, why not return to our roots instead of the revivalistic hymnody of the Second Great Awakening?

I have no idea whether the Scots Psalter was translated into local languages in India by Presbyterian missionaries of the 1800s. If it was, my opinion would change in your context.

But if not, someone badly needs to produce a psalter in the major Indian languages. I'd say the Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese made the right decision to base their psalters on Geneva rather than the Scots Psalter, but given the centuries-long history of Scots mission work in India, if you already have a Scots Psalter in your major languages, certainly you should promote and use what has been used for generations in your churches. Reinventing wheels is usually a bad idea.

There is not a single psalter in the Indian languages I speak(Tamil, Malayalam and Hindi )
There are some old hymns for some psalms obviously which the Lutheran missionaries here translated - Psalm 23, 91, 103 e.g. but not a whole organized psalter

As you say the Genevan psalter could be a good option
Thanks for introducing me to that channel though- I never knew so many Genevan psalms were recorded! Am on my way to hear all of them!
 
There is not a single psalter in the Indian languages I speak(Tamil, Malayalam and Hindi )
There are some old hymns for some psalms obviously which the Lutheran missionaries here translated - Psalm 23, 91, 103 e.g. but not a whole organized psalter

As you say the Genevan psalter could be a good option
Thanks for introducing me to that channel though- I never knew so many Genevan psalms were recorded! Am on my way to hear all of them!
You may want to contact the minister of one of the churches planted in Sri Lanka by the Free Church of Scotland (Continuing). It is my understanding that the original minister who planted the first church of the mission is Tamil and preaches in the Tamil language, so I would assume they also sing the Psalter in Tamil.
For Hindi and Malayalam I don't know if anything like that exists, but you may want to look into whether either language had a Presbyterian mission that dates far enough back for the psalter to have been used.

If there is no metrical translation and you are not in possesion of the Hebrew knowledge or time to make one, you can also use more chant-like melodies and sing a prose translation. In Hebrew I use a mix of Psalm-based hymns (adaped by myself to be the actual Psalm), appropriated tunes from other hymns and from the Genevan or Scottish Psalter, Chant-like melodies (especially Anglican and Yemenite), and in rare cases total improvisations. Of course it's diffrent because in Hebrew there is no prose version and metrical version, there is just the poetic but unmodern original text, but perhaps something of that could help you.
 
You may want to contact the minister of one of the churches planted in Sri Lanka by the Free Church of Scotland (Continuing). It is my understanding that the original minister who planted the first church of the mission is Tamil and preaches in the Tamil language, so I would assume they also sing the Psalter in Tamil.
For Hindi and Malayalam I don't know if anything like that exists, but you may want to look into whether either language had a Presbyterian mission that dates far enough back for the psalter to have been used.

If there is no metrical translation and you are not in possesion of the Hebrew knowledge or time to make one, you can also use more chant-like melodies and sing a prose translation. In Hebrew I use a mix of Psalm-based hymns (adaped by myself to be the actual Psalm), appropriated tunes from other hymns and from the Genevan or Scottish Psalter, Chant-like melodies (especially Anglican and Yemenite), and in rare cases total improvisations. Of course it's diffrent because in Hebrew there is no prose version and metrical version, there is just the poetic but unmodern original text, but perhaps something of that could help you.
Neither language has a well established Presbyterian church here
Ill see if I can find the psalter
But no such thing exists to my knowledge
The book of common prayer just has the tamil translation of the psalms(not in metre)

Wait you use the Scottish Psalter tunes to sing the תהילים in Hebrew? How does that work? :duh::think::eek:

I'm fairly fluent with reading the psalms and most of the Tanakh in hebrew
Most psalms in hebrew have great Jewish melodies/niggunim associated with them


(this is one of my favorites)

Etc.
 
If there is no metrical translation and you are not in possesion of the Hebrew knowledge or time to make one, you can also use more chant-like melodies and sing a prose translation. In Hebrew I use a mix of Psalm-based hymns (adaped by myself to be the actual Psalm), appropriated tunes from other hymns and from the Genevan or Scottish Psalter, Chant-like melodies (especially Anglican and Yemenite), and in rare cases total improvisations. Of course it's diffrent because in Hebrew there is no prose version and metrical version, there is just the poetic but unmodern original text, but perhaps something of that could help you.

Yep, it was you who I was thinking of when I said that chanting of the Psalms might be appropriate in some circumstances and that some Anglicans would prefer not to create artificial rhymed metrical lyrics and stick with the original text.

My sense is that argument would be more compelling for a Hebrew-speaking church where you're dealing with the original Biblical text that has its own poetic structure and not a translation into another language.
 
Neither language has a well established Presbyterian church here
Ill see if I can find the psalter
But no such thing exists to my knowledge
The book of common prayer just has the tamil translation of the psalms(not in metre)

Wait you use the Scottish Psalter tunes to sing the תהילים in Hebrew? How does that work? :duh::think::eek:
Some psalms it works. Not all. Try psalm 67 or 25 to Selma, and it does work (though not strictly - some lines you'd need to let more syllables take the same note). Or Psalm 24 to St. Anne.

I'm fairly fluent with reading the psalms and most of the Tanakh in hebrew

Most psalms in hebrew have great Jewish melodies/niggunim associated with them
Yes, but finding them is necessary, and as you'll see some don't fit perfectly.

Thanks for sharing this!

(this is one of my favorites)
Nostalgia! It was played in my childhood at my grandparents' place. But the tune ain't perfect, they aren't actually singing the full Psalm in order. I do use it though - adapting it to the actual structure of the Psalm.


Yep, it was you who I was thinking of when I said that chanting of the Psalms might be appropriate in some circumstances and that some Anglicans would prefer not to create artificial rhymed metrical lyrics and stick with the original text.

My sense is that argument would be more compelling for a Hebrew-speaking church where you're dealing with the original Biblical text that has its own poetic structure and not a translation into another language.
To clarify, I am not Anglican in any way other than church membership and those points where Anglicans agree with Puritan views.

Also, chanting is not the only solution to the original language problem, as I outlined above. Even some Genevan tunes work - I use Psalm 2's for Psalms 2 and 39, and Psalm 110's for Psalm 110.
 
To clarify, I am not Anglican in any way other than church membership and those points where Anglicans agree with Puritan views.

Also, chanting is not the only solution to the original language problem, as I outlined above. Even some Genevan tunes work - I use Psalm 2's for Psalms 2 and 39, and Psalm 110's for Psalm 110.

Clarification appreciated. I know plenty of Reformed Baptists who attend Presbyterian churches, and vice versa, if it is the only Reformed option where they live.

I sympathize with your situation. A lot of people have been gracious to me for many years due to my own convictions on church government, which are "within the ballpark" of the Dutch Reformed but are precisely what the Westminster Divines didn't like about the Dissenting Brethren. My views on church government were among the reasons why the Old School Presbyterians removed four regional synods that had, under the "Plan of Union," agreed to accept Congregational pastors and Congregational churches into membership in their presbyteries on what was then the American frontier -- though I'd agree with Ashael Nettleton that the Old School Presbyterians were correct that Congregational polity had become a loophole by which aberrant doctrines, not just polity differences, were being tolerated in the frontier churches. Almost nobody today knows what the Taylor-Tyler controversy was, but it mirrored in Congregationalism the Old School-New School division among the Presbyterians, the difference being that the Presbyterians formally split while the Congregationalists argued without a formal split on the national level. Generally the individual local associations came down either in favor of the "new measures" or in favor of the older Reformed positions, and due to the inherent characteristics of Congregationalism, a church that didn't agree with its association would generally either join a different association or be de facto independent, remaining members of the state conference but not its local association, or being a truly independent church.

Perhaps as with Israel, there just aren't enough Reformed people here in the Missouri Ozarks to spend time fighting about such matters. Keeping sovereign grace central is more important.
 
This is a really interesting thread. I'll just add that a recently deceased brother and FC missionary, Rev. Ian Mackenzie, was involved in translating the Scottish Psalter into Hindi when he was out there in the 70s.
 
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