Visible/Invisible distinction resources

Discussion in 'Ecclesiology' started by arapahoepark, Jul 29, 2017.

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  1. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    Does not the Lord though at times bring a severe chastisement upon even his own, to the point of death, to keep His testimony from becoming really blackened?
     
  2. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    Sure, that's possible. But the possibility of that doesn't count as evidence that such happened in Acts.
     
  3. Scott Bushey

    Scott Bushey Puritan Board Doctor

    Dachaser wrote:
    You are aware that all NT writings use the term 'church' to refer to both types of members, which would logically lead one to the idea of the internal and external distinctions-unless of course you can show me that the terminology is for just the elect?
     
  4. Scott Bushey

    Scott Bushey Puritan Board Doctor

    The evidence would be against the idea that they were true believers as the Apostle tells the husband that 'satan has filled your heart'. Jesus tells us that 'a house divided cannot stand' and 'Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.'
     
  5. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    Very good point, as that seems to be very similar to Satan actually possessing Judas, so I think that you are right, this seems to suggest that neither of them were really saved!
     
  6. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    The Church of Christ, the One that he is head over, would be just the saved persons within it, as only saved are in that Church. Agree with you that church can also and does refer to local assemblies, but the Church as the Bride/Body of Christ has only saved in it.
     
  7. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    Is the Annanias episode in Acts an example of the "local assemblies" or the Church as body of Christ?
     
  8. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    Depends on if they were really saved or not, for within each local assembly there will be the true and the false church.
     
  9. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    So was this part of the Body of Christ or the local assembly?
     
  10. Scott Bushey

    Scott Bushey Puritan Board Doctor


    C'mon, man. You have admitted that the scriptures refer to the local church in 2 ways-locally and universally. This shows the absolute distinction you are arguing against-for what reason, I have no idea.
     
  11. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    I am just saying that the church of the NC would be just made up of saved persons, as only the redeemed are actually part of it and the true Church of Christ.
     
  12. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    The church where they were killed by God was part of a local assembly, and they were not part of the true Church it seems.
     
  13. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    So church membership is not simply the elect?
     
  14. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    The local church membership in Baptist churces would be shown as when the water baptism was done to them, as that is the requirement to identify with local church as being in membership, but the Holy Spirit baptism done at time of salvation identifies them as being members of the one true Church of Christ. Not all who are water baptized are really saved, but all whom the Spirit baptized into the true Church are all saved.
     
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