What is main difference between partial/full Preterism?
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RamistThomist
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You Might Be A Hyper-Preterist
By Paul Manata
I now bring you: you might be a hyper-preterist.
1. When you hurt your back playing golf and your buddies look at you and say, "you got a bum glorified body, didn't you?," you might be a hyper-preterist.
2. If after lusting after a Playboy Playmate you go and teach that we were definitively sanctified in 70 AD, you might be a hyper-preterist.
3. If you say you take the time texts seriously but you don't hold that 1 John was written at 11:00 p.m. on 69 AD since it says, "we know it is the last hour" (1 John 2:18), you might be a hyper-preterist.
4. If you say that people weren't regenerate until 70 AD but it was already not yet, and then you read passages which speak of the saints loving God and his law (which the unregenerate cannot do), you might be a hyper-preterist.
5. If you think 70 AD was the most important event in history, rather than the cross, you might be a hyper-preterist.
6. If you have Gnostic tendencies, you might be a hyper-preterist.
7. If you've never read Calvin, Hodge, Warfield, Edwards, Turretin, Witsius, Owen, Murray, Van Til, Vos, et al, you might be a hyper-preterist.
8. If you've read them, and the every other Christian position on the resurrection and the second advent, and you say they're all wrong and you're all correct, you might be a hyper-preterist.
9. If you think you're reformed and hold that God has elected a certain number of people to everlasting life, but yet you think the earth will last forever with people entering into the city, for eternity, you might be a hyper-preterist.
10. If you have a blank look on your face, with glassy eyes, you might be a hyper-preterist.
11. If your family members need to hire people to "get you out," you might be a hyper-preterist.
12. If your position leads to the position that Jesus needed regeneration since he was resurrected, you might be a hyper-preterist.
13. If you get kicked out of every church you go to, you might be a hyper-preterist.
14. If your creed is that you have no creed, you might be a hyper-preterist.
15. If you say that "the end of ALL things is at hand" (1 Peter 4:7) means ALL things, but the fulfillment of EVERY vision without delay (Ez. 12:21-28) does not mean EVERY vision, you might be a hyper-preterist.
16. If your teaching is gangrenous, you might be a hyper-preterist.
17. If you still take the lord's supper even though one reason it was to be taken was in order to "proclaim His death until He comes," you might be a hyper-preterist.
18. If you constantly bombard people with e-mails, you might be a hyper-preterist.
19. If your previous theological bents have been other heretical positions (i.e., the Church of Christ's), you might be a hyper-preterist.
20. If you make yourself feel better by saying, at one time people thought the reformers were heretics, you might be a hyper-preterist.
21. If your two favorite sayings are: (1)Reformed and always reforming and (2) sola scriptura, even though you misrepresent what those mean, you might be a hyper-preterist.
22. If you live in Florida, you might be a hyper-preterist.
23. If you're a fan of "New Covenant Theology," you might be a hyper-preterist.
24. If you think Jesus will kick it with Enoch and Elijah for eternity while the rest of us will float around as disembodied spirits after we phsyically die, you might be a hyper-preterist.
25. If you think that we'll still sin after we die since definitive sanctification has already occurred, you might be a hyper-preterist.
26. If you think that God will live in eternity with active sinners, forever, you might be a hyper-preterist.
27. If you have no education, you might be a hyper-preterist.
28. If you only focus on eschatology, you might be a hyper-preterist.
29. If you can't get off the milk and chew some meat, you might be a hyper-preterist.
30. If you deny Christ's full work of redemption (e.g., the phsyical He made good also needs redemption), you might be a hyper-preterist.
31. If you think that Don Preston "is the man" because he rambles off basic two-premiss syllogisms, you might be a hyper-preterist.
32. If this is the new heavens and earth and you have your glorified body, and upon realizing this if you're not depressed and feeling cheated, you might be a hyper-preterist.
33. If you've had to define what a Christian is and this definition lets just about any wacko into the camp, you might be a hyper-preterist
By Paul Manata
I now bring you: you might be a hyper-preterist.
1. When you hurt your back playing golf and your buddies look at you and say, "you got a bum glorified body, didn't you?," you might be a hyper-preterist.
2. If after lusting after a Playboy Playmate you go and teach that we were definitively sanctified in 70 AD, you might be a hyper-preterist.
3. If you say you take the time texts seriously but you don't hold that 1 John was written at 11:00 p.m. on 69 AD since it says, "we know it is the last hour" (1 John 2:18), you might be a hyper-preterist.
4. If you say that people weren't regenerate until 70 AD but it was already not yet, and then you read passages which speak of the saints loving God and his law (which the unregenerate cannot do), you might be a hyper-preterist.
5. If you think 70 AD was the most important event in history, rather than the cross, you might be a hyper-preterist.
6. If you have Gnostic tendencies, you might be a hyper-preterist.
7. If you've never read Calvin, Hodge, Warfield, Edwards, Turretin, Witsius, Owen, Murray, Van Til, Vos, et al, you might be a hyper-preterist.
8. If you've read them, and the every other Christian position on the resurrection and the second advent, and you say they're all wrong and you're all correct, you might be a hyper-preterist.
9. If you think you're reformed and hold that God has elected a certain number of people to everlasting life, but yet you think the earth will last forever with people entering into the city, for eternity, you might be a hyper-preterist.
10. If you have a blank look on your face, with glassy eyes, you might be a hyper-preterist.
11. If your family members need to hire people to "get you out," you might be a hyper-preterist.
12. If your position leads to the position that Jesus needed regeneration since he was resurrected, you might be a hyper-preterist.
13. If you get kicked out of every church you go to, you might be a hyper-preterist.
14. If your creed is that you have no creed, you might be a hyper-preterist.
15. If you say that "the end of ALL things is at hand" (1 Peter 4:7) means ALL things, but the fulfillment of EVERY vision without delay (Ez. 12:21-28) does not mean EVERY vision, you might be a hyper-preterist.
16. If your teaching is gangrenous, you might be a hyper-preterist.
17. If you still take the lord's supper even though one reason it was to be taken was in order to "proclaim His death until He comes," you might be a hyper-preterist.
18. If you constantly bombard people with e-mails, you might be a hyper-preterist.
19. If your previous theological bents have been other heretical positions (i.e., the Church of Christ's), you might be a hyper-preterist.
20. If you make yourself feel better by saying, at one time people thought the reformers were heretics, you might be a hyper-preterist.
21. If your two favorite sayings are: (1)Reformed and always reforming and (2) sola scriptura, even though you misrepresent what those mean, you might be a hyper-preterist.
22. If you live in Florida, you might be a hyper-preterist.
23. If you're a fan of "New Covenant Theology," you might be a hyper-preterist.
24. If you think Jesus will kick it with Enoch and Elijah for eternity while the rest of us will float around as disembodied spirits after we phsyically die, you might be a hyper-preterist.
25. If you think that we'll still sin after we die since definitive sanctification has already occurred, you might be a hyper-preterist.
26. If you think that God will live in eternity with active sinners, forever, you might be a hyper-preterist.
27. If you have no education, you might be a hyper-preterist.
28. If you only focus on eschatology, you might be a hyper-preterist.
29. If you can't get off the milk and chew some meat, you might be a hyper-preterist.
30. If you deny Christ's full work of redemption (e.g., the phsyical He made good also needs redemption), you might be a hyper-preterist.
31. If you think that Don Preston "is the man" because he rambles off basic two-premiss syllogisms, you might be a hyper-preterist.
32. If this is the new heavens and earth and you have your glorified body, and upon realizing this if you're not depressed and feeling cheated, you might be a hyper-preterist.
33. If you've had to define what a Christian is and this definition lets just about any wacko into the camp, you might be a hyper-preterist
RamistThomist
Puritanboard Clerk
Yes, though I don't think he is still a partial preterist.
Jerusalem Blade
Puritan Board Professor
David,
In the link below, End-time View Critiques, mostly from Dean Davis' book, High King of Heaven, starting on page 11 you'll find a critique by Davis of Full and Partial Preterism. Should be helpful to you (I had permission from him to post this).
View attachment End-Time view Critiques.pdf
In the link below, End-time View Critiques, mostly from Dean Davis' book, High King of Heaven, starting on page 11 you'll find a critique by Davis of Full and Partial Preterism. Should be helpful to you (I had permission from him to post this).
View attachment End-Time view Critiques.pdf
Peairtach
Puritan Board Doctor
You can be amil and be a partial preterist. Students of the Book of Revelation have a number of choices/conclusions to make, although it is still worth studying, and there is still much in it that is accessible, without clear views on these aspects of it, so don't let these questions spoil your enjoyment of it.
(a) Whether Revelation was written in the '60s AD or the '90s AD.
(b) Whether to take a partial preterist, futurist, historicist, idealist or eclectic approach to the substantial part of Revelation i.e. Chapters 6-19. To a certain extent this impinges on the interpretation of the Olivet Discourse, too, and some other NT passages.
(c) Whether the seals, trumpets and bowls represent linear unfolding or some kind of recapitulation.
(d) Whether Revelation 20 is a premillennium, amillennium, postmillennium, or something between an amillennium and a postmillennium.
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Peairtach
Puritan Board Doctor
Well if someone holds that it was written in the 90s and yet that Revelation is speaking about the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, if one holds that in Revelation God's Word is purporting or pretending to predict events that have already occurred, then that is unbiblical. But preterism also can involve the notion that Revelation is largely predicting the downfall of the Roman Empire, and that occurs in the future to the 90s AD.
You get different types of partial Preterist, some more "extreme" or "radical" than others. Kenneth Gentry, for instance, holds that Revelation 6-19 was all fulfilled in the first century, whereas Greg Bahnsen held that is was all fulfilled by the time of the end of the (Western?) Roman Empire.
It seems all too simplistic to me. e.g. just because the Beast in the form of Nero ( 666) and the Roman Empire is no longer with us, it does not mean to say that the Beast in one form or another is no longer with us. The final defeat of Beastly ( i.e. the unchristianised state) and Anti-Christian/False Prophet ( i.e. forms of Christianity setting up an idol in the place of Christ) powers by Christ in history remains in the future ( Revelation 19).
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