What Thinketh Y'all of Robert Dabney?

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  1. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor

    I suppose there are still some people living whose grandfathers (or at least great-grandfathers) fought in the civil war?

    :offtopic:

    Moreover, I recall reading in the first volume of Shelby Foote's history of the ACW (this was a long time ago) that the nickname "Stonewall" was not originally a compliment. Can anyone confirm this?
     
  2. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    Some people state that General Bernard Bee (I might have gotten the wrong general? ) used the phrase "Stonewall" in anger because Jackson did not advance his troops to help Bee, but rather stood like a "stonewall." At least that is what a few historians say. I tend to read it as a compliment in light of the available evidence.
     
  3. SRoper

    SRoper Puritan Board Graduate

    Thanks, Dennis. I wasn't used to re-fighting the Civil War either until I moved to the South.
     
  4. ChristianTrader

    ChristianTrader Puritan Board Graduate

    I do not think that closeness has much impact. I think it is more of an issue of whether or not one side or one individual is portrayed as demon spawn. A person is going to be more willing to give an inch if they know the otherside will not try to use that inch to steamroll them.

    CT
     
  5. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    Whether or not you "think" closeness has much impact, a number of scholars think otherwise and I agree with them based on many examples of an unwillingness to view cultural icons uncritically. A perfect example of "closeness" was when A&E interviewed about 1000 historians to have them list the 100 most important people of the last 1000 years for a special show at the end of 1999. They collated each list to number them from 1-100. Princess Diana actually made the list and there were a number of people during the show that noted that a hundred years from now most will wonder what folks were thinking to stick her on that list (along with Stephen Spielberg). Incidentally, Calvin, Luther, and Hitler were in the top 10 so it was a pretty decent list in the main otherwise.

    Furthermore, I'm not sure what you think you're implying CT but nobody here has, a single time in this thread, even come remotely close to implying Dabney is "Demon Spawn". I do not, at all, appreciate the characterization and you better guard your tone.
     
  6. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    I think what he meant by "Demon Spawn" is that if you look at the link from the racistchurches website, or go to the drivel by Morris Disease and Southern Poverty Law Center, you will find those mentionings of Dabney.

    Hermonta didn't claim anybody on this thread called Dabney that.
     
  7. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    And yet he attached my quoted text to make that point. My assertion is that if a man is going to claim a mischaracterization he better be very careful who he is quoting when he does so.
     
  8. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Puritan Board Doctor

    In general everyone should be mindful of this. I know I have thought someone was disagreeing with me because they quoted my post when at times that is not what they were doing. The other day someone thought I was being critical of them personally in the politics forum the other day when I wasn't.
     
  9. lwadkins

    lwadkins Puritan Board Junior

    I decided to ignore all that was said in this thread because it was written by sinful persons. :eek: Oh, by the way, ignore this post for i am also a sinner. ;)
     
  10. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor

    Hermonta

    What is your view of Prof. Trueman's comments concerning R.L. Dabney et al?
     
  11. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Puritan Board Doctor

  12. ChristianTrader

    ChristianTrader Puritan Board Graduate

    Very, very biased. I basically would not trust anything that I see him write, unless I saw it by someone that I trusted more.

    CT
     
  13. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor

    I wish he would stop blogging as it prejudices me against him; though some of his other work is excellent.
     
  14. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Puritan Board Doctor

    :ditto: The vain and light hearted jesting that at times has come to dominate that blog has really turned me off and I rarely check it unless someone links something from it.
     
  15. py3ak

    py3ak They're stalling and plotting against me Staff Member

    On the other side of things, I appreciate Professor Trueman's sense of humor, his reading of Orwell and Marx, and his gracious condescension in making a guest appearance on our ex-dog's blog.

    I think it is one of the great strengths that we have, for instance, on this board that male model and practically Shandean humorist Bob Vigneault delivers an inimitable comic monologue from time to time.
     
  16. Grymir

    Grymir Puritan Board Graduate

    Hi Pilgrim! Nice Blog entry's. I enjoyed them. It gives me a good taste of some Dabney reading to come. Thanks.
     
  17. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Puritan Board Doctor

  18. Grymir

    Grymir Puritan Board Graduate

    Thanks Pilgrim! Mega Dittos to you. I'm now reading 'The Attractions of Popery'. Great stuff - Grymir
     
  19. B.J.

    B.J. Puritan Board Freshman

    If you are not from the South, than your opinion is irrelevent. In other words, you have no frame of reference, your a Yankee. Your like the clanging of symbols.:cheers:


    But don't feel bad....If not for the Grace of God, I'd be a Yankee too!:lol:
     
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  20. DMcFadden

    DMcFadden Puritan Board Doctor

    :lol: Very funny . . . but kindof scary, B.J. Sortof like any film by the Coen brothers.
     
  21. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor

    I am an Ulsterman/Irishman and a supporter of the Confederate States of America (currently occupied). Does my opinion count?
     
  22. B.J.

    B.J. Puritan Board Freshman



    Daniel,
    Hmmmm:think:....I suppose! If you endorse the C.S.A and our efforts to free ourselves, then yes. But the first time I hear some sort of Yankee myth, its the bayonet for you.:lol:
     
  23. Grymir

    Grymir Puritan Board Graduate

    Hey, I was in Texas for 20 yrs. Dabney's stomping ground even. Austin that is. Now that I've read him. He's great!! Not like the lame stuff thats out today, or as we say, he shoot's from the hip and asks questions later. (Allowed under Texas law)
     
  24. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor

    As it happens I am working on an essay on why both sides fought [-]the civil war[/-] in the war of Northern aggression.
     
  25. B.J.

    B.J. Puritan Board Freshman

    Daniel,
    Let me read it once your done. By the way, have you seen the Civil War debate between Rev. Peter Marshall & Rev. Steve Wilkins? It might be a helpful source.
     
  26. Presbyterian Deacon

    Presbyterian Deacon Puritan Board Graduate

    I just finished reading a book entitled:

    Robert Lewis Dabney: A Southern Presbyterian Life, by Sean Michael Lucas (P & R Publishing, 2005).

    Dr. Lucas teaches church history at Covenant Theological Seminary.

    It is a fair treatment of Dabney's strengths and weaknesses, and ends with a most interesting comparison of Dabney with Abraham Kuyper.

    I recommend this book to any interested in reading and learning more about Dabney.
     
  27. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor

    The contents of that essay may be found in a number of threads in the Politics and Government forum.
     
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