Worship Command

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I have a question regarding the command for Christians to worship. A little background- I was saved 7 years ago straight into a Reformed church. I've followed lots of arguments regarding catholics, orthodox, etc. but I have little interaction with some of the stranger parts of evangelicalism. I have recently encountered a fellow from a more generic Christian group who says that Christians are not commanded to "worship" exactly.

The argument is something like this: first he makes a strong distinction between latreia and proskynesis (and states this distinction carries through to the Hebrew equivalents for "bow down" and "serve" in the 3rd commandment), and says that latreia (service) was commanded to the Old Testament believers with strict rules of observance since it is what man was "giving" to God. Proskynesis (bowing down), while in some sense can be given to kings or other honorable people, is in a more ultimate sense given only to God. Proskynesis is more of a devotion or allegiance rather than a set of things to observe in contrast to latreia. Jesus' death and resurrection fulfilled all latreia so there is no more worship due God. Instead, we continue to have prokynesis, so no worshipping false gods, bowing to angels, or burning incense to Caesar. Gatherings then are not worship but are more like informal meetings of Christians to build each other up. This means that all arguing about what we do in worship is silly, because the command for service to God has been fulfilled. We are only left with a club of likeminded people to hang out with whenever, even on Sundays if you want.

In contrast, I have always seen the command to "gather together publicly to give God adoration" the thing that was instituted with Moses, and while it certainly changed significantly with Christ's death and resurrection the "gathering together" command has not changed. I'm having a hard time getting to the bottom of this because I don't know Greek or Hebrew. I am getting the sense that he is trying to separate these words too much but I have no way of knowing. I am having trouble finding a New Testament passage that explicitly commands worship rather than gathering together

Wondering if anyone has some insight or resources. I think solving this would really help my understanding of the regulative principle generally.
 
I have a question regarding the command for Christians to worship. A little background- I was saved 7 years ago straight into a Reformed church. I've followed lots of arguments regarding catholics, orthodox, etc. but I have little interaction with some of the stranger parts of evangelicalism. I have recently encountered a fellow from a more generic Christian group who says that Christians are not commanded to "worship" exactly.

The argument is something like this: first he makes a strong distinction between latreia and proskynesis (and states this distinction carries through to the Hebrew equivalents for "bow down" and "serve" in the 3rd commandment), and says that latreia (service) was commanded to the Old Testament believers with strict rules of observance since it is what man was "giving" to God. Proskynesis (bowing down), while in some sense can be given to kings or other honorable people, is in a more ultimate sense given only to God. Proskynesis is more of a devotion or allegiance rather than a set of things to observe in contrast to latreia. Jesus' death and resurrection fulfilled all latreia so there is no more worship due God. Instead, we continue to have prokynesis, so no worshipping false gods, bowing to angels, or burning incense to Caesar. Gatherings then are not worship but are more like informal meetings of Christians to build each other up. This means that all arguing about what we do in worship is silly, because the command for service to God has been fulfilled. We are only left with a club of likeminded people to hang out with whenever, even on Sundays if you want.

In contrast, I have always seen the command to "gather together publicly to give God adoration" the thing that was instituted with Moses, and while it certainly changed significantly with Christ's death and resurrection the "gathering together" command has not changed. I'm having a hard time getting to the bottom of this because I don't know Greek or Hebrew. I am getting the sense that he is trying to separate these words too much but I have no way of knowing. I am having trouble finding a New Testament passage that explicitly commands worship rather than gathering together

Wondering if anyone has some insight or resources. I think solving this would really help my understanding of the regulative principle generally.
Your friend is an antinomian. Setting aside the exact meaning of those terms, it is false to claim that any moral duty has been abolished.

Mt. 5:17, "I came not to abolish the law."

But "latreia," which means "service," is certainly required in the New Testament.

Rom. 12:1, "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service." (Note: "service" here is latreia).

Moreover, Christ explicitly states in Luke 4:8, quoting the Old Testament, that one must offer both proskynesis (worship) and latreia (service).

Κύριον τὸν Θεόν σου προσκυνήσεις καὶ αὐτῷ μόνῳ λατρεύσεις.
"You shall worship the Lord your God, and him alone shall you serve."
 
Well, I think it's true that we do not worship him in order to satisfy any explicit requirement to perform certain worship acts, and if we did, we could no more satisfy that requirement than we can any other requirement of the law. We depend upon the merit of Christ's perfect work and mediatorship to make our deficient worship acceptable to the most high God.

Now I don't see how it follows that we should not perform acts of worship when we gather together in accordance with Paul’s admonishment in Hebrews 10:25. We are commanded to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, and mind and also to love our neighbor as ourself. Why should we act out both of these commands only in works of love toward neighbors? I think it's clear that we are to do works of love toward God, and just as God furnishes us in his word for works of love toward our neighbors, he also furnishes us for works of love toward himself.

As far as what our meetings are to be like, we clearly read in Acts and the epistles of preaching, sacraments, prayer, singing, and exhortation in the gatherings of the new testament church, and aren't these what we do in our "worship services"?
 
I've followed lots of arguments regarding catholics, orthodox, etc. but I have little interaction with some of the stranger parts of evangelicalism. I have recently encountered a fellow from a more generic Christian group who says that Christians are not commanded to "worship" exactly.

Hello Sean, URC deacon from Colorado,

Speaking of the "stranger parts of evangelicalism," I might be of some help.
My Qualifications? Well, I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I was in the front row of Woodstock for several days.
I did lose about half a day due to my stupidity in dropping some potent acid.

If you want to see strange, then pray with me for revival. I think revival is likely, but we will have to hold our breath to see how it all turns out.
I imagine some Reformed folk would look askance at the whole revival and its accompanying nonsense that inevitably follows.
O, my Lord Yahweh, come down and rescue your sleeping Church. And please, Lord, don't pass me by, for I am a sinful man.



Sola Deo Gloria
 
He's talking nonsense - a 10 second search on any Bible software reveals the following verses that all use the word latria. And in addition we have Hebrews 12.28 which is a command and uses the word

Hebrews 12:28 ESV “Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe,”
Hebrews 12:28 THGNT-T “διὸ βασιλείαν ἀσάλευτον παραλαμβάνοντες ἔχωμεν χάριν δι’ ἧς λατρεύομεν εὐαρέστως τῷ θεῷ μετὰ εὐλαβείας καὶ δέους·”

Matt. 4:10; Luke 1:74; 2:37; 4:8; Acts 7:7, 42; 24:14; 26:7; 27:23; Rom. 1:9, 25; Phil. 3:3; 2 Tim. 1:3; Heb. 8:5; 9:9, 14; 10:2; 12:28; 13:10; Rev. 7:15; 22:3

That's purely a vocabulary argument - there is of course all the various and many problems with his theology as well!
 
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