The ESV?
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lwadkins
Puritan Board Junior
I really enjoy the ESV it is a translation that can safely be studied from and yet has language that in my mind "sounds" like the word of God. Stately and poetic. Now of course sounding like the word of God has nothing to do with it being an accurate translation, but it sure makes devotional reading enjoyable. Probably a result of my being raised on the KJV.
Did anyone notice that there is a Firefox plugin for the ESV?
http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/share/plugins/
Andrew,
This is even better:
http://www.bibletoolbar.net/
It can search the ESV and a large number of other versions on BibleGateway. You can also display parallel texts, and search with limiters (e.g. Paul's Epistles)
This is even better:
http://www.bibletoolbar.net/
It can search the ESV and a large number of other versions on BibleGateway. You can also display parallel texts, and search with limiters (e.g. Paul's Epistles)
larryjf
Puritan Board Senior
For those interested in the majority text...
The Majority Text Society
http://www.majoritytext.org/index.htm
World English Bible (NT from Majority Text)
http://www.ebible.org/
The Majority Text Society
http://www.majoritytext.org/index.htm
World English Bible (NT from Majority Text)
http://www.ebible.org/
ESV Reformation Study Bible
I just got this a few days ago and have been enjoying it very much. I did a comparison of Proverbs 16 in the RSV and ESV and found them to be over 90% the same. The ESV really shows its roots in the RSV; a good thing in many ways, I think.
I just got this a few days ago and have been enjoying it very much. I did a comparison of Proverbs 16 in the RSV and ESV and found them to be over 90% the same. The ESV really shows its roots in the RSV; a good thing in many ways, I think.
I don't have an NKJV module for E-Sword but the NKJV is available on Power BibleCD available from Online Publishing, Inc.
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[Edited on 6-8-2005 by DocCas]
Puritanhead
Puritan Board Professor
I've owned an ESV since 2002 I think... and frankly I never got into it... I know it comes on high recommendations from J.I. Packer and R.C. Sproul. However, I just could NOT get into it. I haven't read that much and prefer my Reformation Study Bible in KJV. Plus, I don't have ESV in study Bible format.
Supposedly, it is not like the trendy 'New Wave' translations that utilize dynamic equivalence in the translation ("thought for thought translation") as opposed to near word-for-word precision. This is perhaps a merit of the ESV. I haven't really done cartwills over it... I don't feel it possesses the poetic ring that King James or New King James text has. I would loathe seeing ESV displace KJV/NKJV in the pulpit.
Supposedly, it is not like the trendy 'New Wave' translations that utilize dynamic equivalence in the translation ("thought for thought translation") as opposed to near word-for-word precision. This is perhaps a merit of the ESV. I haven't really done cartwills over it... I don't feel it possesses the poetic ring that King James or New King James text has. I would loathe seeing ESV displace KJV/NKJV in the pulpit.
Good ESV site
http://esvbible.blogspot.com/
Great deal on Ref study bible ESV (and other ESV's)
http://www.wtsbooks.com/bibles-english-standard-version.htm
http://esvbible.blogspot.com/
Great deal on Ref study bible ESV (and other ESV's)
http://www.wtsbooks.com/bibles-english-standard-version.htm
New wine skin
Puritan Board Freshman
I personally like the KJV and ESV for English translations. I have turned people off the NIV & Newliving and onto the ESV. Kudos for the ESV! It fills a niche
JonathanHunt
Puritan Board Senior
Which is excellent. Laying aside the underlying textual arguments, moves away from dynamic equivalence to literal translations are to be encouraged.
The ESV is vastly superior to the NIV for that reason.
In the pulpit, I prefer the NKJV for textual and translatory reasons. But I'd settle for the ESV - and would really, really be reluctant to sit under NIV-led ministry!
JH
JonathanHunt
Puritan Board Senior
Jenson
I would change from KJV to NJKV without any hesitation.
It retains the same underlying texts, and is gently modernised so that it far better represents the language of people today than does the KJV.
Of course, I still love the KJV also.
JH
I would change from KJV to NJKV without any hesitation.
It retains the same underlying texts, and is gently modernised so that it far better represents the language of people today than does the KJV.
Of course, I still love the KJV also.
JH
just_grace
Puritan Board Freshman
ESV
My only brush with the ESV is with e-sword and I like it and will prolly buy a copy, I mainly use the NRSV but like everyone else here I have quite a few versions as well as Greek and Hebrew books. The English in the ESV is to me very smooth and enjoyable to read.
My only brush with the ESV is with e-sword and I like it and will prolly buy a copy, I mainly use the NRSV but like everyone else here I have quite a few versions as well as Greek and Hebrew books. The English in the ESV is to me very smooth and enjoyable to read.
bond-servant
Puritan Board Sophomore
Oh thank you!!!! I'm downloading it now!! [Edited on 6-27-2005 by bond-servant]
The NKJV is my favorite!!
larryjf
Puritan Board Senior
That's a good question. Looking on E-Sword's site where they have available bible modules...
http://www.e-sword.net/bibles.html
They don't seem to even offer the NKJV.
I would assume you would have to get in contact with Neslon, since anyone can make a database that will be recognized by E-Sword.
I actually just e-mailed Nelson with the situation, so i hope to get a response soon. When i do, i will post the response in this thread.
bond-servant
Puritan Board Sophomore
Edited the link out of my post too. Thanks for the information Larry.
It's too bad though.
I was really excited about it ..
Maybe sometime soon Nelson will either give permission, or allow a module to be made and sold ? .....
It's too bad though.
I was really excited about it ..
Maybe sometime soon Nelson will either give permission, or allow a module to be made and sold ? .....
Archlute
Puritan Board Senior
The OPC, which we previously attended before moving down here, made the transition from NIV to ESV in the pews and it was very well received as far as I can tell, but I do have mixed feelings about certain aspects of the ESV, although it is to be preferred far above the NIV as a pulpit bible in my opinion. My favorite translation had previously been the NKJV, and I have recently begun to move back in that direction. This is not on a textual basis, mind you (although I don't agree with every decision that the UBS/NA editors made), but a stylistic basis.
The ESV's style in the OT is actually quite good. In fact there are places where it supercedes the NKJV. For example, in that famous passage regarding the LORD's word in Jeremiah 23, the ESV translates the waw conjunction of v. 28 in such a manner as to highlight the contrast between the false prophets and the true word of the LORD which Jeremiah has been making throughout this chapter. The NKJV translates this with "and", causing one to wonder if both clauses have the same referent or not. This can muddy the intent of Jeremiah here, and I find that the ESV tends to be better at picking up these nuances in the Hebrew scriptures.
On the other hand, the NT style seems lacking in a way that I can't now place my finger on. Less punch, less grandeur? I don't know. I do know that it sure does get irritating to see the same disclaimer on every page where the masculine term "anthropos" occurs, alerting the potentially offended readers that this term encompases both brothers and sisters in accordance with Greek style. You would think that the lengthy explaination given in the preface would be enough. Whatever the reasons, I have begun to lose interest with the ESV, but I still believe that it is a very good translation; nothing to be ashamed of.
I think that in the long run the NKJV will by my English version of choice. Our family has already returned to it for our devotional times.
The ESV's style in the OT is actually quite good. In fact there are places where it supercedes the NKJV. For example, in that famous passage regarding the LORD's word in Jeremiah 23, the ESV translates the waw conjunction of v. 28 in such a manner as to highlight the contrast between the false prophets and the true word of the LORD which Jeremiah has been making throughout this chapter. The NKJV translates this with "and", causing one to wonder if both clauses have the same referent or not. This can muddy the intent of Jeremiah here, and I find that the ESV tends to be better at picking up these nuances in the Hebrew scriptures.
On the other hand, the NT style seems lacking in a way that I can't now place my finger on. Less punch, less grandeur? I don't know. I do know that it sure does get irritating to see the same disclaimer on every page where the masculine term "anthropos" occurs, alerting the potentially offended readers that this term encompases both brothers and sisters in accordance with Greek style. You would think that the lengthy explaination given in the preface would be enough. Whatever the reasons, I have begun to lose interest with the ESV, but I still believe that it is a very good translation; nothing to be ashamed of.
I think that in the long run the NKJV will by my English version of choice. Our family has already returned to it for our devotional times.
Adam,
"The OPC, which we previously attended before moving down here, made the transition from NIV to ESV in the pews."
Are you saying that the entire OPC has made the switch to the ESV?
I agree that the OT is better than the NT in the ESV, just like it was in the old RSV. One of the things that drove me to study Greek and Hebrew was my frustration with all translations. I prefer to read the NT in Greek, and I intend to brush up my Hebrew so I can read the OT in the original as well.
"The OPC, which we previously attended before moving down here, made the transition from NIV to ESV in the pews."
Are you saying that the entire OPC has made the switch to the ESV?
I agree that the OT is better than the NT in the ESV, just like it was in the old RSV. One of the things that drove me to study Greek and Hebrew was my frustration with all translations. I prefer to read the NT in Greek, and I intend to brush up my Hebrew so I can read the OT in the original as well.
WrittenFromUtopia
Puritan Board Graduate
I prefer to read the ESV above all other translations. The way it words certain portions of Scripture, especially in the OT, is awesome. Such as Job's repentance speech ... nothing touches the way the ESV renders it:
[Edited on 6-29-2005 by WrittenFromUtopia]
[Edited on 6-29-2005 by WrittenFromUtopia]
heartoflesh
Puritan Board Junior
That's my favorite.
I like the ESV reading of the Psalms better than I do the NKJV readings. I still love the KJV.
Jordycbc23
Puritan Board Freshman
pound for pound i stand by the esv. Piper lives by @ his church and i stand by it at our school it is the closest literall translation from the dead sea scrolls and all the latin Recepti. in the sense of literal translation it reads very smoothly. i would say though that the NASB is the closest comparison with the NASB ahead just a little because of the emphatical wording it uses.
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