This Kinda Breaks My Heart

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Marrow Man

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A friend posted this (critically) on his FB page. I watched it, and it just depressed me. This is what passes for "success" and "worship" in our country today.

[video=youtube;9yiuSvoqxWw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yiuSvoqxWw&feature=player_embedded[/video]

I do hope the gospel is being preached there, I really do. Because otherwise a lot of souls are being led to hell on the altar of entertainment.

Light sabers, gymnasts, motorcycles -- somehow I don't think this is what's missing.
 
Josh, I know of at least two families in my old ARP church that left and went to NewSpring because of all the fun and games. The pastor of my old church (he is on the PB) preaches the gospel faithfully every week, and the people flock after this garbage. An elder and his wife and daughter was one of the families that left. I know him very well, he's a nice guy and all, but the only reason he left was because all of his daughter's friends went to this church; eventually he caved.
 
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Yeah, this makes me really sad too.....it looks like a lot of churches in the Chicago area as well!
 
Watching some of this stuff really makes me sick. I also feel really bad for those who are blinded by these "churches" that are driven by entertainment. But remember, there are sound churches out there. There are alot of sound, God-centered preachers out there. And God is calling out His elect out of this rubbish.
 
No, this pastor is not telling the Gospel! I use to visit a blog called Old Truth and Jim who ran the blog talked a lot about this guy and how he is a derelict "pastor" and criticizes those in his congregation who demand that he feed them. He tells them they are not babies and that they shouldn't be spoon fed and that they need to open their own Bibles and learn how to feed themselves. He's a sad case!
 
One of NewSpring's locations is right down the street from my house. My (unsaved) neighbor went there and came back feeling very disappointed. "The priest" (as my neighbor says) wasn't even present and the whole thing lacked "authenticity." A perceptive unbeliever, I do say.
 
There was a pretty good reason why false teachers were treated so harshly in the Scriptures and in the early centuries of the Church and the Reformation. Spiritual Adultery is in many ways more harmful than murder.
 
Madcow said:
No, this pastor is not telling the Gospel! I use to visit a blog called Old Truth and Jim who ran the blog talked a lot about this guy and how he is a derelict "pastor" and criticizes those in his congregation who demand that he feed them. He tells them they are not babies and that they shouldn't be spoon fed and that they need to open their own Bibles and learn how to feed themselves. He's a sad case!
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Which pastor -- the one at NewSpring or the one at Elevation?
 
Oh, that "staying home" idea isn't even original. There's a company called Outreach.com that promotes that material. Lots of churches have used it, I'm sure.

These churches try to be so "hip" and they wind up being cookie-cutter. :barfy:
 
Madcow said:
No, this pastor is not telling the Gospel! I use to visit a blog called Old Truth and Jim who ran the blog talked a lot about this guy and how he is a derelict "pastor" and criticizes those in his congregation who demand that he feed them. He tells them they are not babies and that they shouldn't be spoon fed and that they need to open their own Bibles and learn how to feed themselves. He's a sad case!
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Hey!! another Old Truth alumni!!

Nice to see you still have good taste! :applause:
 
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Madcow said:
No, this pastor is not telling the Gospel! I use to visit a blog called Old Truth and Jim who ran the blog talked a lot about this guy and how he is a derelict "pastor" and criticizes those in his congregation who demand that he feed them. He tells them they are not babies and that they shouldn't be spoon fed and that they need to open their own Bibles and learn how to feed themselves. He's a sad case!
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Which pastor -- the one at NewSpring or the one at Elevation?
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Well, probably both, but it was Steven that Jim from Old Truth use to talk about.
 
This is disgusting. I don't really have anything constructive to say, but I wanted to say something.
 
Chris Rosebrough of Fighting for the Faith Podcast did a show recently on Perry Noble and Newspring Church.

Fighting for the Faith: The Perry Noble NewSpring Church Special

And I just searched his site and he also did a show on Steven Furtick.

Fighting for the Faith: Steven Furtick's Purple People Leader

Fighting for the faith is an excellent podcast. Chris Rosebrough is a Lutheran so there is occasionally something about the sacraments that I don't agree with, but he is solid on the Law Gospel distinction. I think he was mentored by White Horse Inn's Rod Rosenbladt.
 
It reminds me of what 1 John says- if they were really among us, they would have never left us. And it is this simple- if the message of the gospel is denied, changed, or added to, it is no longer the Gospel. I find it sad as well. There have been so many times I have left these popular churches because of a lack of dicernment, faith, and proper teaching.
 
He talks about Perry Noble. Here is a clip of what you get at NewSpring [video=youtube;q9LATi7h44Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9LATi7h44Y[/video]

I guess the 5th commandment isn't enforced :(
 
I live right by Elevation church. It's "all the rage" amongst the youngsters.

I listened to one of his sermons tonight online; i've heard much better but i've also heard much worse.
 
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This was painful to watch. I dislike megachurches in general because they have the tendency to drift towards loud entertainment and fluffy things (though that's usually the thing that turns it into a megachurch anyways).

I don't think that atheism or non-Christian religions are as big of a threat as those who claim to be Christian. At least the former know they are not Christians, but the latter come in Christ's name and show little to nothing about who he really is.
 
Actually, how should we respond to these things? Besides talking about it on the PB.

Should we be actively engaging people who are there to try to get them out while informing as many people as possible to stay as far away as possible?

For those who are pastors or high up the denominational chain of command (:p), would you engage the pastor of that church?
 
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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ewenlin said:
For those who are pastors or high up the denominational chain of command (:p), would you engage the pastor of that church?
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Forgive me, but this is part of the problem. Because of the independent nature of this type of church, there is virtually nothing that can be done on a denominational level. About the only thing that can be done is if the congregation and/or congregational leaders begin to take exception to what is taking place, but I don't see that sort of thing happening. He is feeding them exactly what they want to eat.
 
Following the original clip is another by Furtick called What is the Purpose of the Church?. In it (1:07 - 1:14) he says if the Doctrines of Grace as defined by John Calvin get you excited, you're in the wrong church. (speaking of his own Newspring)

Do you think the great majority of the congregation said "John who?"
 
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