A Simple Question about the 1650 Metrical Psalter

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Hello my brethren in the Lord!

I've a simple question to ask, since Dr. Google has proved fruitless and I just wanted to confirm this suspicion: maybe I have just no gone through enough of them yet, but it seems like every psalm in the 1650 Scottish Metrical Psalter is in Common Meter (86.86). Do I have that right? Or are there a few exceptions to that? Thank you!
 
Almost all of them are in C.M., yes. There are a small number of exceptions, a few short meter, a few long, and a few more exotic meters. 145, 124, 100, and 136 off the top of my head have different meters, but there are more. Some also have multiple versions: the first version, which might be in common meter or another meter, and the second, which will be some other meter. Take a look at the 1650 Scottish Metrical Psalter app and it'll show you all the Psalms' meters.
 
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Almost all of them are in C.M., yes. There are a small number of exceptions, a few short meter, a few long, and few more exotic meters. 145, 124, 100, and 136 off the top of my head have different meters, but there are more. Some also have multiple versions: the first version, which might be in common meter or another meter, and the second, which will be some other meter. Take a look at the 1650 Scottish Metrical Psalter app and it'll show you all the Psalms' meters.
Wow, I didn't realize there was an app specifically for the 1650! Thanks! And thank you for sharing, the way I've been approaching learning how to sing the Psalms is to memorize one or two tunes for each meter, and then using those for any given Psalm; going through the 1650 Psalter, I was getting more and more disappointed I couldn't use non-C.M. tunes haha.
 
Wow, I didn't realize there was an app specifically for the 1650! Thanks! And thank you for sharing, the way I've been approaching learning how to sing the Psalms is to memorize one or two tunes for each meter, and then using those for any given Psalm; going through the 1650 Psalter, I was getting more and more disappointed I couldn't use non-C.M. tunes haha.
It's a phenomenal app that @Rom developed! I still have yet to really plumb it's depths, but some of my favorite tunes I've found so far are:

Blackbourn
Cheshire
Dundee (Windsor)
Martyrs
St. Kilda
St. Mary
St. Neot
Stornoway
Walsall

I have yet to memorize all of these tunes, I just made a list of my favorite ones :sing:
 
It's a phenomenal app that @Rom developed! I still have yet to really plumb it's depths, but some of my favorite tunes I've found so far are:

Blackbourn
Cheshire
Dundee (Windsor)
Martyrs
St. Kilda
St. Mary
St. Neot
Stornoway
Walsall

I have yet to memorize all of these tunes, I just made a list of my favorite ones :sing:
If you like Blackbourn you'll probably like Jabez (if you don't mind DCM)!
 
Hi Logan,

I've been using the 1650 in my personal devotions daily for 20 some years. I have all the tunes selected the way I like them. I also make up Tunes. You just can't beat singing about Jesus, to Jesus, and with Jesus all of the same time. I'm not one of those people that hit somebody on the head if I find out they're not singing the songs exclusively. In church I grab the trinity hymnal and try to find something that goes along with the songs they're singing. My pastor knows this and, once in awhile throws me a bone from the Trinity Psalter Hymnal.

Below is the introduction to the 1650 that's printed at the head of the book. Check out the list of worthies who signed off on it. I don't know them all but the ones I know are heavy hitters.
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Preface to the edition printed by Thomas Parkhurst in London (1673)

Good Reader,

'Tis evident by the common experience of mankind, that love cannot lie idle in the soul. For every one hath his oblectation* and delight, his tastes and relishes are suitable to his constitution, and a man's temper is more discovered by his solaces than by anything else. Carnal men delight in what is suited to the gust of the flesh, and spiritual men in the things of the Spirit. The promises of God's holy covenant, which are to others as stale news or withered flowers, feed the pleasure of their minds; and the mysteries of our redemption by Christ are their hearts' delight and comfort. But as joy must have a proper object, so also a vent: for this is an affection that cannot be penned up: the usual issue and out-going of it is by singing. Profane spirits must have songs suitable to their mirth; as their mirth is carnal, so their songs are vain and frothy, if not filthy and obscene; but they that rejoice in the Lord, their mirth runneth in a spiritual channel: "Is any merry? let him sing psalms," saith the apostle (Jas. 5:13); and, "Thy statutes have been my songs in the house of my pilgrimage," saith holy David (Ps. 119:54).

Surely singing, 'tis is a delectable way of instruction, as common prudence will teach us. Aelian telleth us that the Cretians enjoined their children, τοὺς παῖδας τοὺς ἐλευθέρους μανθάνειν τοὺς νόμους ἐκέλευον μετά τινος μελῳδίας, to learn their laws by singing them in verse.† And surely singing of Psalms is a duty of such comfort and profit, that it needeth not our recommendation. The new nature is instead of all arguments, which cannot be without thy spiritual solace. Now though spiritual songs of mere humane composure may have their use, yet our devotion is best secured, where the matter and words are of immediately divine inspiration; and to us David's Psalms seem plainly intended by those terms of "psalms and hymns and spiritual songs," which the apostle useth (Eph. 5:19; Col. 3:16). But then 'tis meet that these divine composures should be represented to us in a fit translation, lest we want David, in David; while his holy ecstasies are delivered in a flat and bald expression. The translation which is now put into thy hands cometh nearest to the original of any that we have seen, and runneth with such a fluent sweetness, that we thought fit to recommend it to thy Christian acceptance; some of us having used it already, with great comfort and satisfaction.

Thomas Manton, D.D.
Henry Langley, D.D.
John Owen, D.D.
William Jenkyn
James Innes
Thomas Watson
Thomas Lye
Matthew Poole
John Milward
John Chester
George Cokayn
Matthew Mead
Robert Franklin
Thomas Doolittle
Thomas Vincent
Nathanael Vincent
John Ryther
William Tomson
Nicholas Blaikie
Charles Morton
Edmund Calamy
William Carslake
James Janeway
John Hickes
John Baker
Richard Mayo
 
If you like Blackbourn you'll probably like Jabez (if you don't mind DCM)!
I've never heard of this one! I'm finding little on it after some research. Is it a Welsh hymn tune? That's the closest I've found so far.
 
Brother, do you have a link for this? Thank you.

below is also a link for the .apk for the old android version of the app, which is also quite good and has its own strengths compared to the current version

 
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@Ed Walsh, there is a FCC church plant in Philadelphia, a little under two hours from you I think?- if you were ever able to make it over there for a visit. You’d be warmly welcomed, and I know you’d rejoice in singing the Psalms with the congregation!
 
@Ed Walsh, there is a FCC church plant in Philadelphia, a little under two hours from you I think?- if you were ever able to make it over there for a visit. You’d be warmly welcomed, and I know you’d rejoice in singing the Psalms with the congregation!
@Ed Walsh - if you are ever able to schedule a visit, let me know, as I am the interim moderator for the preaching station. I could also tell you when I am up there next - probably will be for a communion season sometime in the Fall. If you can make it down, I would love to meet you this side of glory.
 
Thanks, @Jeri Tanner & @Rom

What's the address of your meeting place? My daughter lives near Gettysburg, so perhaps my wife and I could visit her and all three of us come to church. Might be a little tough right now, but I'd love to meet you folks.

Ed
 
Thanks, @Jeri Tanner & @Rom

What's the address of your meeting place? My daughter lives near Gettysburg, so perhaps my wife and I could visit her and all three of us come to church. Might be a little tough right now, but I'd love to meet you folks.

Ed
That would be wonderful if it could work out! I will let you know when I am next in the area.

https://philadelphia-presbyterian.com/ is their website, which includes meeting times.

Meeting address:
1215 Union Meeting Road
Blue Bell, PA 19422
 
I've grown quite fond of Huddersfield myself, it is probably my favorite this far. It was the tune that I first learned Psalm 39 to, and I find myself applying it to others frequently.
 
below is also a link for the .apk for the old android version of the app, which is also quite good and has its own strengths compared to the current version

I sure do! Here's the Apple app store version if you use an iphone or ipad.
Thank you for this. I have been looking for something that would help me sing through the 1650 Psalter. I am sure this will be very helpful.
 
Wow, I didn't realize there was an app specifically for the 1650! Thanks! And thank you for sharing, the way I've been approaching learning how to sing the Psalms is to memorize one or two tunes for each meter, and then using those for any given Psalm; going through the 1650 Psalter, I was getting more and more disappointed I couldn't use non-C.M. tunes haha.
Hello,

We recently created an app called Psalms that contains the complete Scottish Metrical Version (SMV) Psalter. It's the app we use in our own church, and we've found it to be a helpful tool for worship and learning tunes.

It's available now on the Apple App Store and the Google Play Store.

Apple App Store:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/the-psalms-app/id6749580003

Google Play Store:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.thepsalmsapp&hl=en_US

I would appreciate any feedback and especially if you find any bugs!
 
Hello,

We recently created an app called Psalms that contains the complete Scottish Metrical Version (SMV) Psalter. It's the app we use in our own church, and we've found it to be a helpful tool for worship and learning tunes.

It's available now on the Apple App Store and the Google Play Store.

Apple App Store:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/the-psalms-app/id6749580003

Google Play Store:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.thepsalmsapp&hl=en_US

I would appreciate any feedback and especially if you find any bugs!
Well I'll certainly be using that then, thank you for sharing!
 
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