Adam, Saved or Not?

[Archlute]

Pink in Our Accountability to God :

We by no means share the popular idea that the Lord saved Adam very soon after his fall; rather we take decided exception to that theory. We cannot find anything whatever in Holy Writ on which to base such a belief; in fact, we find much to the contrary. First it is clear that Adam's sin was not one of infirmity, but instead a presumptuous one, pertaining to that class of willful sins and open defiance of God for which no sacrifice was provided (Ex. 21:14; Num. 15:30-31; Deut. 17:12; Heb. 10:26-29), and which was therefore an unpardonable sin. There is not the slightest sing that he ever repented of his sin, nor any record of his confessing it to God. On the contrary, when charged with it, he attempted to excuse and extenuate it. Genesis 3 closes with the awful statement "So he drove out the man." Nothing whatever is mentioned to Adam's credit afterward: no offering of sacrifice, no acts of faith or obedience. Instead we are merely told that he knew his wife (4:1, 25), begat a son in his own likeness, an died (5:3-5). If the reader can see in those statements any intimation or indication that Adam was a regenerated man, then he has much better eyes than the writer - or possibly a more lively imagination.

Nor is there a single word in Adam's favor in later Scriptures, rather is everything to his condemnation.... In the New Testament he is contrasted in considerable detail with Christ (Rom. 5:12-21; I Cor. 15:22, 45-47); and if he were saved, then the antithesis would fail as its principlal point. Moreover, such an anomaly - that the great majority of those whom he represented should eternally perish, while the responsible head should be recovered - is quite out of keeping with what is revealed of God's justice.

I don't agree with Pink here, but I knew I read that some time ago.

This is exactly where I tend to have problems with Pink - he often fails to grasp the profound nature of the application of grace.

 

[Dennis1963]

The bible isn't clear on Adam's fate but I have to ask: Is Adam in Heaven?

Not explicitly clear but, When they fell and both of their eyes were opened, they in their own efforts sewn fig leaves together to hide their shame, mans best efforts! But they did know, and saw their shame (sin) Gen 3:7, someone who is not saved wouldn't even care. Adam and Eve were the first two people to hear the gospel, the coming of Christ Genesis 3:15. To demonstrate what Christ will do for his people God made garments of skin and covered them, as we will be covered in Christ, Gen 3:21. God allowed the fall, it was part of His will, other wise it would have never happened. Not that Adam and Eve were not responsible, they in fact were, But God demonstrates with them His plan of redemption. Look at Genesis 3:9-11 God called Adam, Adam hid. God already knew he just wanted Adam to be responsible for his actions, and as we know he blamed it on Eve v12, and in turn Eve blamed it on the serpent. they were both guilty and ashamed, what unbeliever do you know who is convicted of their guilt and is shameful when breaking one of God's laws? I don't know any. They also had continued belief and faith in God Gen 4:1 "i have gotten the man child with the help of the LORD", Gen 4:25 "God has appointed me another offspring". God was continually in their lives, they recognized the blessings of a child as from God. Something only a believer will do, at least in the true sense. ---Interesting, God still came to them in the garden after the fall and called to them, He had never forsaken them, With the conviction of their sin and guilt, they hid from Him, but they were restored, by God Himself.

 

[christiana]

Pink in Our Accountability to God :

We by no means share the popular idea that the Lord saved Adam very soon after his fall; rather we take decided exception to that theory. We cannot find anything whatever in Holy Writ on which to base such a belief; in fact, we find much to the contrary. First it is clear that Adam's sin was not one of infirmity, but instead a presumptuous one, pertaining to that class of willful sins and open defiance of God for which no sacrifice was provided (Ex. 21:14; Num. 15:30-31; Deut. 17:12; Heb. 10:26-29), and which was therefore an unpardonable sin. There is not the slightest sing that he ever repented of his sin, nor any record of his confessing it to God. On the contrary, when charged with it, he attempted to excuse and extenuate it. Genesis 3 closes with the awful statement "So he drove out the man." Nothing whatever is mentioned to Adam's credit afterward: no offering of sacrifice, no acts of faith or obedience. Instead we are merely told that he knew his wife (4:1, 25), begat a son in his own likeness, an died (5:3-5). If the reader can see in those statements any intimation or indication that Adam was a regenerated man, then he has much better eyes than the writer - or possibly a more lively imagination.

Nor is there a single word in Adam's favor in later Scriptures, rather is everything to his condemnation.... In the New Testament he is contrasted in considerable detail with Christ (Rom. 5:12-21; I Cor. 15:22, 45-47); and if he were saved, then the antithesis would fail as its principlal point. Moreover, such an anomaly - that the great majority of those whom he represented should eternally perish, while the responsible head should be recovered - is quite out of keeping with what is revealed of God's justice.

I don't agree with Pink here, but I knew I read that some time ago.

This is exactly where I tend to have problems with Pink - he often fails to grasp the profound nature of the application of grace.

Wow, I actually came to know of and understand 'grace' via the reading of Pink! His book, The Sovereignty of God was one big 'wow' moment for me and introduced me to the doctrines of grace! I love reading Pink and he is willing to change his view with added knowledge and/or light and doesnt get 'locked in' to his earlier views and refuse to change as so many theologians do once they feel they have obtained knowledge! We all must continue to search the scriptures daily and be willing to be changed by them as we grow in grace and the knowledge of Christ.
Just my