All things being revealed on the last day
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BobVigneault
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Another qualifier that we need to consider is the term 'the last day(s)'. There are many 'last days' and 'Lord's day's or 'day of the Lord's' and they are only determined by their immediate context. Many of the 'last day' references are to the last days of the Temple and the old covenant sacrificial system. That ofcourse revealed that the gentiles were about to be grafted in and the mystery of the gospel.
Which reference in particalar are you asking about Mark?
Which reference in particalar are you asking about Mark?
satz,
For one, it's not a frivolous question, as it concerns things the Bible says, and the Bible teaches if we don't know something we are to ask in order to get wisdom and understanding.
As I understand it, God already knows the secret things we think and do, and the motives behind them, so I believe they will be brought out into the open for everyone else to see.
And though it's not a frivilous question, does it matter if they will be revealed to everyone? Or if God is the only one to see them?
Will it change how you live your life knowing everyone else will know the motives behind the things you do or don't do? If so, why?
Shouldn't it matter even more, that GOD already knows our motives and the secret things you do?
For one, it's not a frivolous question, as it concerns things the Bible says, and the Bible teaches if we don't know something we are to ask in order to get wisdom and understanding.
As I understand it, God already knows the secret things we think and do, and the motives behind them, so I believe they will be brought out into the open for everyone else to see.
And though it's not a frivilous question, does it matter if they will be revealed to everyone? Or if God is the only one to see them?
Will it change how you live your life knowing everyone else will know the motives behind the things you do or don't do? If so, why?
Shouldn't it matter even more, that GOD already knows our motives and the secret things you do?
Hi Bobbi,
Well, you just articulated yourself why I felt the question might be considered frivolous. No, I do not think in theory the answer should have any effect on the way we live, since we are to live to please God and not man, so it was just a matter of curiosity, really.
That said, it is possible there might, (to our shame, really, i suppose) be some practical effect, just like Solomon in proverbs 5 appeals to the various human effects of adultery in order to persuade his son against it.
[Edited on 9-6-2006 by satz]
satz,
I understand that I know not all Christians fully grasp that concept and continue to struggle with believing they have to 'please everyone'.
Two very dear ladies I know struggle with this, one is in her 70's the other in her mid 30's. They have both been saved a number of years, but still think they need to please others, or they will get mad or be upset with them, including their parents.
So yes, to your next comment, there is a practical purpose to teaching this to our children, so when they LEAVE home, they are not still emotionally attached to us as parents, thinking they must some how be perfect, or if they make choices that disappoint us, we will stop loving them.
The belief that pleasing a person, is as important as pleasing God can emotionally cripple a person in life.
If a person believes they MUST always please their parents, then when they get married they never emotionally leave home and cleave to their spouse.
If they believe they MUST please others, then they get sucked into the trap of everytime someone asks them to help with something, they can't say NO, even if it over extends them, and takes them away from their family even more.
So really it applies to every day things, and not just adultery. There again though, if they can't say no for fear of hurting some elses feelings,
they could certainly get sucked into something like adultery out of fear this other person will be mad at them. It also ties to the verses about letting your yes be yes and your no mean no.
now if/when they realize, it's more important to please God, they would begin to gain a healthy fear of God. And in turn begin to overcome the fear of some person being disappointed in them, and they will begin to make wiser choices in life knowing God is looking at the motives of their heart. To see if He is truly God in their life or if man is god over their life.
[Edited on 9-6-2006 by BJClark]
[Edited on 9-6-2006 by BJClark]
I understand that I know not all Christians fully grasp that concept and continue to struggle with believing they have to 'please everyone'.
Two very dear ladies I know struggle with this, one is in her 70's the other in her mid 30's. They have both been saved a number of years, but still think they need to please others, or they will get mad or be upset with them, including their parents.
So yes, to your next comment, there is a practical purpose to teaching this to our children, so when they LEAVE home, they are not still emotionally attached to us as parents, thinking they must some how be perfect, or if they make choices that disappoint us, we will stop loving them.
The belief that pleasing a person, is as important as pleasing God can emotionally cripple a person in life.
If a person believes they MUST always please their parents, then when they get married they never emotionally leave home and cleave to their spouse.
If they believe they MUST please others, then they get sucked into the trap of everytime someone asks them to help with something, they can't say NO, even if it over extends them, and takes them away from their family even more.
So really it applies to every day things, and not just adultery. There again though, if they can't say no for fear of hurting some elses feelings,
they could certainly get sucked into something like adultery out of fear this other person will be mad at them. It also ties to the verses about letting your yes be yes and your no mean no.
now if/when they realize, it's more important to please God, they would begin to gain a healthy fear of God. And in turn begin to overcome the fear of some person being disappointed in them, and they will begin to make wiser choices in life knowing God is looking at the motives of their heart. To see if He is truly God in their life or if man is god over their life.
[Edited on 9-6-2006 by BJClark]
[Edited on 9-6-2006 by BJClark]
Hi Bobbi,
I think to a certain degree we are misunderstanding one another. My question was simply about on the last day, when our secret sins and thoughts are revealed and judged, will they be revealed to other people (prehaps the ones we have wronged) as well as to God. Prehaps it was just undue speculation.
I certainly agree with everything you posted, it just seems to be approaching the topic from a different angle than I intended.
I think to a certain degree we are misunderstanding one another. My question was simply about on the last day, when our secret sins and thoughts are revealed and judged, will they be revealed to other people (prehaps the ones we have wronged) as well as to God. Prehaps it was just undue speculation.
I certainly agree with everything you posted, it just seems to be approaching the topic from a different angle than I intended.
satz,
I think they all tie in together, let me explain.
If it is the motives of the heart that will be ultimately revealed and judged, then shouldn't we, at least as far as we can now, go before God and seek to understand what the underlying motives really are and seek to repent?
Let's look at the example of the spouse above, which is more pleasing to God, leaving your parents and cleaving to your spouse? Or continuing to please your parents more than cleaving to your spouse?
We would need to try and understand the underlying motivations of pleasing our parents.
Is it that if we don't do what they want, they will cut us out of their will?
Wouldn't that make money their god? Meaing it was more important to them to stay in their parents will, than to do what God requires of us, to leave our parents. So the underlying sin that is revealed to us or even to others, is that money was our god.
It's not that they loved their parents and wanted to please their parents out of love and respect, but because they only wanted their money.
And if the parents were using the money to control their children, their sin could be seen as trying to BE god in their childrens life, and fully trusting God to provide for their children.
I guess for me, It's a matter of trying to dig deeper in understanding about what it means to have God judge my motives and all the secrets being revealed, what is it, that will ultimately be revealed for everyone to see? And when *I* Stand before God in judgment what is I want to be revealed and judged? Is there anything I see, that I can repent of and deal with and make changes now before I stand before Him in judgment on the last day?
Do I want God to see my motives as not fully trusting and depending on Him? Or that my motives weren't really about pleasing HIM at all.
I have found that by doing this in my own life, my life has changed.
In other words, I'm looking deeper at the question and not just the surface question. Does that make sense?
I think they all tie in together, let me explain.
If it is the motives of the heart that will be ultimately revealed and judged, then shouldn't we, at least as far as we can now, go before God and seek to understand what the underlying motives really are and seek to repent?
Let's look at the example of the spouse above, which is more pleasing to God, leaving your parents and cleaving to your spouse? Or continuing to please your parents more than cleaving to your spouse?
We would need to try and understand the underlying motivations of pleasing our parents.
Is it that if we don't do what they want, they will cut us out of their will?
Wouldn't that make money their god? Meaing it was more important to them to stay in their parents will, than to do what God requires of us, to leave our parents. So the underlying sin that is revealed to us or even to others, is that money was our god.
It's not that they loved their parents and wanted to please their parents out of love and respect, but because they only wanted their money.
And if the parents were using the money to control their children, their sin could be seen as trying to BE god in their childrens life, and fully trusting God to provide for their children.
I guess for me, It's a matter of trying to dig deeper in understanding about what it means to have God judge my motives and all the secrets being revealed, what is it, that will ultimately be revealed for everyone to see? And when *I* Stand before God in judgment what is I want to be revealed and judged? Is there anything I see, that I can repent of and deal with and make changes now before I stand before Him in judgment on the last day?
Do I want God to see my motives as not fully trusting and depending on Him? Or that my motives weren't really about pleasing HIM at all.
I have found that by doing this in my own life, my life has changed.
In other words, I'm looking deeper at the question and not just the surface question. Does that make sense?
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