There's a world of difference between "not always a subjective realization" and "I don't think assurance on the part of the believer is ever truely obtained" - the former is reasonable, the latter is not.If I may be permitted to come to Anthony's defence, he is not disagreeing with Scripture or the Confession. The Scriptures quoted only refer to the objective truth not the subjective realisation of the truth. ... It is this persuasion which gives rise to the "oidamen" (we know) statements of Scripture, but there is not always a subjective realisation of what is known.