Bible Software

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refbaptdude

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I am on the verge of purchasing new bible software. After much research I am down to Logos Scholar´s edition (Libronix) and BibleSoft PC Study Bible version 4 Advanced Reference Library.

The Logos system is much more powerful and the library is huge in comparison to the PC Study Bible.

The PC Study Bible is very user-friendly, but I would have to buy the ESV add on. I also like the option of the Puritan Classics Collection offered on PC Study Bible.

Years ago I had a Nelson´s Publisher Logos clone that used the STEP system and found it not very user-friendly, slow, and just too much junk that I never used. I begin using PC Study Bible and found it simple and quick to use. I am still using PC Study Bible 2.0 today.

If you have these two programs what has been your experience?

Any input is appreciated.

Thanks,
Steve Clevenger
 
Tangentially,
Does anybody have the "scholarly journals on CDROM"? or whatever they are called? if so, what is the best price?
 
Steve,

There is no easy answer to this question. Bibleworks and Logos/Libronix do very different things. I personally think that they are the two best Bible software programs on the market (since Accordance is limited to Mac, and Macs don't run any other appreciable Bible software, it is a bit of apples and oranges).

The short (but insufficient) answer is that Bibleworks is better if you are doing original language exegetical study. If you are doing Bible study with various English versions and secondary sources, Logos/Libronix is better.

I had said this previously, and I stand by it:

Personally Josh, if you don't know Greek and Hebrew, I would not get Bibleworks. I would use the free stuff like Esword and Online Bible. Bibleworks does a bunch of stuff great, but it is really original language stuff - if you don't know them, you won't really be able to use it.

If you wind up learning the languages in the next few years, you can get it then, better and cheaper - like all software!

Bottom line - if you don't know and use Greek and Hebrew, Bibleworks is WAY more than you need. Don't spend the money - get E-Sword or Online Bible, both of which are free, and both of which are good. If you are going to do original language work, Bibleworks is the best at that.

The difficulty comes in that Logos is not as good at original language stuff as BW, but it has WAY more resources. Confessions, commentaries, dictionaries, BIble Encyclopedias, etc. BW only has a couple of things (e.g. Matthew Henry) and they are in Microsoft Help format (UGH!).

Ideally, if you do a great deal of Bible work (like a seminary student or pastor) then it would be great to have both (as I do). Here is another summary I did in a previous thread:

Originally posted by humble_soul
I've spent time and money building up my printed library and have neglected the blessings of computer based Bible software for too long! I've been using web based Bible Study tools, but I find those somewhat lacking..

What is the best Bible/Library/Research software available today?

Price isn't the top factor. I am willing to spend more for quality.

I'm a power user and software engineer by trade. I'm willing to invest time and effort in learning the software.

The most important factors are (not in any particular order):

1) Extensible (i.e. the ability to add new works like commentaries, dictionaries, lexicons, and etc). I suppose this would require some kind of formatting on of the text. If the software could import these formats, that would be good enough.

2) Multiple Bible translation built-in or in a format the software can understand.

3) Mutliple extras already built-in (like the commentaries and other tools mentioned above in #1) or available.

4) An exportable format that other software can use so if the software is dropped for some reason I can move my library to another software!

Does this kind of software exist, or am I dreaming?

Thanks,
hs

Chris,

I have been extensively using both the Bibleworks and Libronix/Logos programs. In addition, I have used Online Bible and E-Sword, which are free. Here are my thoughts:

First, be aware that every program has its strengths and weaknesses. Anyone who tells you otherwise has not used other programs extensively.

Second, you need to get a handle on what you want to use the software for. That is probably the most important thing. Having said that let me give some summary comments, and then urge you to run a search on the site for software, because there are a few other threads on this issue.

Bibleworks ($300)
Pro: the search function for original languages is unparalleled. It is fast, easy to use and handles about every version known to man (yes, you can search in Rumanian if you want). You get "morphology" for all the major Greek text bases (MT, TR, USB4, etc.). This is VERY useful if you use the Majority Text instead of the critical text. It has add-ons for every aspect of Greek/Hebrew study (HALOt, BADG, Futato's grammar, Gensenius, Wallace's grammar, etc).
It has some non original language-based add-ons (Matthew Henry, Westminster Confession, a nice Timeline), but that is not a major "pro" in my book. It uses Greek and Hebrew fonts, which are very well made and can make it easy to use, but hard to send files to someone else who does not have the fonts. It has a good diagramming tool.
The interface is very good for viewing text interlinearly on the verse level, not so good on the passage level (i.e. it is hard to fit all the versions in the window if there are more than a few verses.
It has a great set of instructional videos.

Con: There is almost nothing in the way of non-language add-ons. This is intentional from Bibleworks and will likely not change. The program is designed to be "tightly intregrated" So if you are looking for Calvin's commentary's (or basically anything beyond Henry) don't look here. I also find the interface a bit annoying when I want a passage (say 1 Cor 13) open in both the Greek and English for cross reference (usually while attending a lecture). And of course since it has no real add-ons, it cannot run searches there.

Logos (Scholars' Library $450)
Pro: Add-ons, and add-ons, and add-ons. You can get just about everything for this, and if they don't have it, it is probably coming - Church Fathers, Calvin, Study Bibles, maps, etc. The interface is great for having multiple windows open, allowing simultaneous viewing of two passages (or at most 3). The search function is good for resources, not original language. It has a nice "homepage" where you can set up prayer lists, bible reading schedules, etc.


Con:
It is not so good for interlinear type viewing - there is no way to have multiple versions open in one window. So if I want to see 1 Cor. 13:8 in 6 versions, I use Bibleworks. It is just easier. Technical support is not so good, usually a long wait. Beware - many of the original language tools require a $150 supplement.


Of the two free programs, I like Online Bible more than E-Sword. Online Bible is completely free if you can download MB files from the net, and it has probably more resources than Logos. The Greek/Hebrew text is unaccented/unpointed, which makes it hard to use, but english searches are fast and good (almost as good as Bibleworks). Check it out at www.onlinebible.net

In summary, if you were going to do a good deal of heavy, technical language search work - which I would peg more at the academic level than pastoral - go with Bibleworks. If you want a portable library on your laptop, go with Logos. A good compromise might be Bibleworks with Online Bible; or Logos with a used version of Bibleworks from Ebay (the latest is 6.0, you can get 4.0 pretty cheap - maybe $100-$50)

Any specific questions?
 
I have Bible Works 4.0. Ditto to what Fred said above. If you want to work with the original languages, it is virtually indispensable.

Bible Works 6.0?

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[Edited on 8-8-2005 by poimen]
 
Fred,

Thanks for all the helpful information:cool:

I do have BibleWorks 4.0

Your friend in Christ,
Steve Clevenger
 
Originally posted by poimen
I have Bible Works 4.0. Ditto to what Fred said above. If you want to work with the original languages, it is virtually indispensable.

Bible Works 6.0?

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[Edited on 8-8-2005 by poimen]

Yep... I have HALOT and BDAG... among other cool goodies! :cool:
 
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