Hi all-
I've been wondering about the whole mess, and because I've spent less time online for months, I didn't check the Aquila Report very often which is where I saw linked blog posts when the fight started.
I'm hoping for a brief Cliff notes type update here- ESS battle status for dummies sort of reply- and not links to endless blog posts.
Back when it started it was Grudem and Ware and CBMW, vs Trueman, Pruitt, and Golligher, and then a lot of others jumped into the rumble. Grudem was being labeled a heretic by somebody reputable. Later on I read Mark Jones and he was good.
I heard Grudem apologized/recanted for something. Then I heard maybe Grudem or somebody had- or will have- a conference to defend the ESS position. I just haven't had time to follow it all.
So, a few questions in brief:
1. Is it generally opined here at PB by Reformed pastors and theologians that the Truman etc side is correct ( back when I read it they sounded probably correct to me, but I am asking the board here) when they said actual heresy was being taught against the Nicene Creed? Or do people here think it was/is more just confused semantics?
2. Did Grudem apologize for something that was actually heretical? Or did he apologize just for a crappy analogy? (The best biblical analogy for marriage is Jesus Christ as the bridegroom, and the church is the bride, instead of ESS where the husband is the Father, the wife is Christ, and the HS is the children). Did they all ( CBMW) agree to drop that analogy?
3. Just curious, where is John Piper at?
4. Did the Gospel Coalition take an official stand? If so, what is it? Or if they split can you tell me who took which side? ( Keller, Carson, Duncan, etc)
5. Is the word "heresy" still being used by the one side? Heresy is a big deal. Or are they no longer called heretics but they are just called confusing/poor teachers about the trinity? Or is it OK now? Is everybody one big happy family?
What's going on? It was so depressing last year to read it all. Thanks for any imput. Please give me your best short and sweet summary without more links to more articles. Thanks!
I've been wondering about the whole mess, and because I've spent less time online for months, I didn't check the Aquila Report very often which is where I saw linked blog posts when the fight started.
I'm hoping for a brief Cliff notes type update here- ESS battle status for dummies sort of reply- and not links to endless blog posts.
Back when it started it was Grudem and Ware and CBMW, vs Trueman, Pruitt, and Golligher, and then a lot of others jumped into the rumble. Grudem was being labeled a heretic by somebody reputable. Later on I read Mark Jones and he was good.
I heard Grudem apologized/recanted for something. Then I heard maybe Grudem or somebody had- or will have- a conference to defend the ESS position. I just haven't had time to follow it all.
So, a few questions in brief:
1. Is it generally opined here at PB by Reformed pastors and theologians that the Truman etc side is correct ( back when I read it they sounded probably correct to me, but I am asking the board here) when they said actual heresy was being taught against the Nicene Creed? Or do people here think it was/is more just confused semantics?
2. Did Grudem apologize for something that was actually heretical? Or did he apologize just for a crappy analogy? (The best biblical analogy for marriage is Jesus Christ as the bridegroom, and the church is the bride, instead of ESS where the husband is the Father, the wife is Christ, and the HS is the children). Did they all ( CBMW) agree to drop that analogy?
3. Just curious, where is John Piper at?
4. Did the Gospel Coalition take an official stand? If so, what is it? Or if they split can you tell me who took which side? ( Keller, Carson, Duncan, etc)
5. Is the word "heresy" still being used by the one side? Heresy is a big deal. Or are they no longer called heretics but they are just called confusing/poor teachers about the trinity? Or is it OK now? Is everybody one big happy family?
What's going on? It was so depressing last year to read it all. Thanks for any imput. Please give me your best short and sweet summary without more links to more articles. Thanks!