Good Friday church service choice

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daveb

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My wife and I are trying to decide which church service to attend tomorrow.

The church we regularly attend is part of an "evangelical fellowship" where all the protestant churches get together and have one big service. The problem is that this year the speaker is quite liberal and is not someone we wish to sit under.

Our other option is a community church that will be showing clips from "The Passion" movie and have several dramas in the service. We are assuming they will also have a sermon.

Our other options are an anglican and roman church, but we won't be attending those.

Any idea on where we should go? I'm really not sure.
 
Originally posted by LadyFlynt
Don't go???

That's the option we're leaning towards. We would both very much like to go to a service, but if it would be better not to go I guess we'll just stay home.
 
Originally posted by daveb
Originally posted by LadyFlynt
Don't go???

That's the option we're leaning towards. We would both very much like to go to a service, but if it would be better not to go I guess we'll just stay home.

I would recommend reading some articles from here and here. They argue against "holy days" and the use of the Westminster Confessions Regulative Principle of Worship. They will be very enlightening!
 
My advice to you Dave is stay home and watch Napoleon Dynamite again and then on Sunday go to church and tremble that the All-Mighty Creator sent his Son into a world of sinners to die as an atonement and propitiation and reached out and saved you from an unimaginably furious wrath. He proved his power to save by overcoming death and rose in life giving, heart changing power that causes us to spontaneously fall down in utter worship and praise. :pray2: God bless you and your wife all long weekend long.
 
Originally posted by Jeff_Bartel

I would recommend reading some articles from here and here. They argue against "holy days" and the use of the Westminster Confessions Regulative Principle of Worship. They will be very enlightening!

For some reason I didn't even think a good Friday service would qualify as one of these "holy days". Thanks for the links.
 
Originally posted by maxdetail
My advice to you Dave is stay home and watch Napoleon Dynamite again

:lol:

and then on Sunday go to church and tremble that the All-Mighty Creator sent his Son into a world of sinners to die as an atonement and propitiation and reached out and saved you from an unimaginably furious wrath. He proved his power to save by overcoming death and rose in life giving, heart changing power that causes us to spontaneously fall down in utter worship and praise. :pray2: God bless you and your wife all long weekend long.

Thanks.
 
So now we can't go to a service unless it's on the Lord's Day? :o

This is from Microsoft Encarta Encylopedia

"Good Friday, Friday immediately preceding Easter, celebrated by Christians as the anniversary of Christ's crucifixion. The name Good Friday is generally believed to be a corruption of God's Friday. Since the time of the early church, the day has been dedicated to penance, fasting, and prayer.

In the Roman Catholic church, the Good Friday liturgy is composed of three distinct parts: readings and prayers, including the reading of the Passion according to St. John; the veneration of the cross; and a general communion service (formerly called the Mass of the Presanctified), involving the reception of preconsecrated hosts by the priest and faithful.

From the 16th century on, the Good Friday service took place in the morning; in 1955 Pope Pius XII decreed that it be held in the afternoon or evening. As a result, such traditional afternoon devotions as the Tre Ore (Italian, "œthree hours"), consisting of sermons, meditations, and prayers centering on the three-hour agony of Christ on the cross, were almost entirely discontinued in the Roman Catholic church.

In most of Europe, in South America, in the United Kingdom and many parts of the Commonwealth, and in several states of the U.S., Good Friday is a legal holiday.

Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved."


This is nothing against having a church service that is "not on the sabbath." This IS about observing a "special" day of the year and celebrating the death of Christ on that day. See articles on the links provided for more.
 
So, even if we had nothing of it being attached to others' "Good Friday", but we wanted to have a corporate worship service, we couldn't/shouldn't? Sounds kind of conscience binding to me.

That is not what I am suggesting at all. It would just be a huge coincedence for you to have such a service on "Good Friday" (unless of course you regularly have them on Fridays). Theoretically, if you were to take all of the "Good Friday" out of the service, then it would be A-OK! :banana:
 
good grief

If you keep the day, keep it to God! It not, don't keep it to God.

Romans 14
5One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. 9For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11For it is written: "As I live, says the LORD, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God."12So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way.

I for one will keep the day to the Lord and remember with great gratitude that day at Golgatha when He who knew no sin became sin for me.

Phillip
 
Originally posted by joshua
So now we can't go to a service unless it's on the Lord's Day? :o

That is the position of some...I'd write more, but I don't want to be late for our Good Friday Service! :bigsmile:
 
Originally posted by kevin.carroll
So now we can't go to a service unless it's on the Lord's Day? :o

That is the position of some...I'd write more, but I don't want to be late for our Good Friday Service! :bigsmile:


Me neither. :D

Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath, so worship him at any service anytime any where. Unless He is only accessible on Sunday mornings between 8-12
 
CH 21 WCF

V. The reading of the Scriptures with godly fear,[17] the sound preaching [18] and conscionable hearing of the Word, in obedience unto God, with understanding, faith, and reverence,[19] singing of psalms with grace in the heart;[20] as also, the due administration and worthy receiving of the sacraments instituted by Christ, are all parts of the ordinary religious worship of God:[21] beside religious oaths,[22] vows,[23] solemn fastings,[24] and thanksgivings upon special occasions,[25] which are, in their several times and seasons, to be used in an holy and religious manner.[26]

17. Luke 4:16-17; Acts 15:21; Col. 4:16; I Thess. 5:27; Rev. 1:3
18. II Tim. 4:2; Acts 5:42
19. James 1:22; Acts 10:33; Matt. 13:19; Heb. 4:2; Isa. 66:2
20. Col. 3:16; Eph. 5:19; James 5:13; I Cor. 14:15

21. Matt. 28:19; I Cor. 11:23-29; Acts 2:42
22. Deut. 6:13; Neh. 10:29; II Cor. 1:23
23. Psa. 116:14; Isa. 19:21; Eccl. 5:4-5
24. Joel 2:12; Est. 4:16; Matt. 9:15; Acts 14:23
25. Exod. 15:1-21; Psa. 107:1-43; Neh. 12:27-43; Est. 9:20-22
26. Heb. 12:28.
 
I want to clarify something. Maybe I was unclear on my above post.

There is nothing wrong with worshipping God on any day. Today (some call it "Good Friday"), I thank God for his death on the cross and resurrection from the dead. There is nothing wrong with having a church service today, or tomorrow, or the day after that (the Sabbath is required). I will worship God on Christmas, and Easter too (Lord willing).

However, setting certain days aside as "holy days" are strictly forbidden and can not be observed AS SUCH without sinning. God has set ONE day aside as Holy, and does not give us the right or freedom to do so with others. Easter week is considered "Holy Week."

From the Westminster Assembly's Directory for Public Worship:
Festival days, vulgarly called Holy-days, having no warrant in the word of God, are not to be continued.

G.I. Williamson includes Good Friday in his list of "holy days" NOT to be observed (quoted from a link from Matt's website)
"What Jesus desires of us is not the observance of things He did not command, but the things He did command. 'Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you' (Matt. 28:19,20). This is what the Apostles did. They taught the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27). It did not include Christmas, Good Friday, or Easter, because they were not part of the things commanded by Christ. So, the one who understands 'the true meaning of Christmas' (or Good Friday, or Easter) is precisely the one who realizes that they are human inventions. And in order to honor Christ as the only King and head of the church, such a person will not observe these man-made additions to what our Lord commanded. A person such as this may be out of step with a very popular custom. The important thing is that he will be in step with Christ and the Apostles."
G. I. Williamson, On the Observance of Sacred Days, (Havertown: New Covenant Publication Society, n.d.), pp. 9-10.

also here

Christmas, Good Friday, and Easter are Romish sacred days. By this we mean that they have their source in Roman Catholic tradition, rather than in Scripture. . . . [T]here have been times in the history of the Reformed churches when the truth on the subject of sacred days received reverent attention. Already, before John Calvin arrived in Geneva at the time of the great Reformation, the observance of Romish sacred days had been discontinued there. This had been done under the leadership of Guillaume Farel and Peter Viret. But Calvin was in hearty agreement. It is well known that when these traditional days came along on the calendar, Calvin did not pay the slightest attention to them. He just went right on with his exposition of whatever book of the Bible he happened to be expounding. The Reformers, Knox and Zwingli, agreed with Calvin. So did the entire Reformed church of Scotland and Holland. At the Synod of Dort in 1574 it was agreed that the weekly Sabbath alone should be observed, and that the observance of all other days should be discouraged. This faithful Biblical practice was later compromised. But that does not change the fact that the Reformed churches originally stood for the biblical principle. The original stand of the Reformed churches was Scriptural. That is the important thing. --G. I. Williamson (minister, Orthodox Presbyterian Church), On the Observance of Sacred Days (n.d.).

The Waldenses did not observe Good Friday for the same reason according to the same source:

[The Waldenses] contemn all approved ecclesiastical customs which they do not read of in the gospel, such as the observance of Candlemas, Palm Sunday, Good Friday, and the feast of Easter. . . . --William Sime, History of the Waldenses (1827).

My concern is that most churches today HAVE continued these Romish traditions in the name of worshipping God according to the imaginations of men.

Again, my concern is NOT with having a church service on another day besides the Sabbath (or even a church service on good friday). It is the celebration of the Catholic "holy day" of good friday that is wrong, and it is my opinion that most church services on this day, do just that.

Certainly the Westminster Divines allowed for days of thanksgiving etc., but it was not their intention to observe the Romish "holy days." John Flavel (a Westminster Divine) had this to say:

Q. Is there any other day holy besides this day [i.e., the Lord's day]? A. No day but this is holy by institution of the Lord; yet days of humiliation and thanksgiving may be lawfully set apart by men on a call of providence; but popish holidays are not warrantable, nor to be observed; Gal. 4:10. Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. --John Flavel (Nonconformist minister, Dartmouth, England), An Exposition of the Assembly's Shorter Catechism (1692).

John Brown, of Haddington made this distinction between a "holy day" and a day of fasting:

Q. May the church appoint holy days, to remember Christ's birth, death, temptation, ascension, &c.?--A. No; as God hath abolished the Jewish holy days of his own appointment, so he hath given no warrant to the church to appoint any: but hath commanded us to labour six days, except when Providence calls us to humiliation or thanksgiving; and expressly forbids us to observe holy days of men's appointment, Col. 2:16; Gal. 4:10,11. Q. What is the difference between a fast day and a holy day?--A. The day of a fast is changeable, and esteemed no better in itself than another day; but a holy day is fixed to a certain time of the week, year, or moon, and reckoned better in itself. --John Brown, of Haddington (minister and professor, Associate [Presbyterian] Burgher Synod), An Essay Towards an Easy, Plain, Practical, and Extensive Explication of the Assembly's Shorter Catechism (1758).

Worship God everyday. Keep one HOLY day-the Sabbath.

Soli Deo Gloria
 
I first have to say that I'm sorry that I´ve not closely followed this discussion "œthread". My time is limited for reading here. If I´ve misunderstood, pardon please. I´m not sure what Scott is saying in his citing WCF 21. But the Westminster Divine´s text at WCF 21 has to be read in context of the Directory for Public Worship drafted by them some years earlier. The Directory represents the Divines ideas in practice (speaking generally) while the later drafted Confession and Catechisms represent their doctrinal statements. The Divines clearly define these days of thanksgiving and fasting in the Directory, and there in that document also is that section that condemns the so called holy days of the "œChristian" calendar. Also as a matter of the correct text of the WCF, the correct punctuation makes it clear that "œtimes and seasons" applies to all four of the previously mentioned parts of worship: vows, oaths, days of thanksgiving and of fasting. That to my way of thinking makes it clear that the
Divines are not addressing recurring observances. It is not my opinion that recurring observances are absolutely unlawful, but this I think makes it fairly certain that the Westminster Divines are not addressing such things at WCF 21. I've written on this in the article at the link below, which see for more information on this subject. The question of whether to preach sermons on the old pretended "holy days" of the RCC is not a new problem. The Westminster
Divines disagreed in their day on how best to handle these days, some saying best take advantage and preach, while others did not want to mark them at all. Eventually these days were outlawed by Parliament and this to an extent
addressed the problem until the Restoration. Later in the American colonies Samuel Davies' resolution was to have a service and preach from Luke 2 while at the same time condemning the customary observances of Christmass at the time.
http://www.fpcr.org/blue_banner_articles/americanxmas.htmThe Religious Observance of Christmas and "œHoly Days" in American Presbyterianism
http://www.fpcr.org/blue_banner_articles/ChristmasSermon.htm
A Christmas" Sermon by Samuel Davies http://www.reformed.org/documents/wcf_sub_standards/direct_pub_worship.html
Directory for the Public Worship of God
http://www.reformed.org/documents/wcf_with_proofs/ch_XXI.html
WCF 21
Sincerely,

[Edited on 3-26-2005 by NaphtaliPress]
 
Chris,

Thanks for your post. I will try to read your articles. To be sure, we must be careful as Presbyterians not be legalistic about this issue and condemn as sinful all church services on these days. There seems to be a fine line that must be treaded carefully.

May God himself grant all of us the wisdom to find that line and keep it.

"Therefore you shall be careful to do as the LORD your God has commanded you; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left. " Deut. 5:32
 
Chris,
Let me make it clear that I do not attend observances outside of the Lords day. However, I believe that the observing special occasions w/ thanksgiving to not be in contradiction with the scriptures.
I cited ch 21 because of it's phrase, "days of thanksgiving'. Surely one could count the day that Christ was placed in the grave as a day of thanksgiving. I agree, to be bound to it or make it relative to the Lords day is sin. For the reformed, this should be elementary.
 
It's good to remember that the Lord's Supper is the commanded ordinance for observing and partaking in his death, and it's good to remember that the Resurrection is to be celebrated 52 times a year -- the Resurrection is the basis for the Christian Sabbath, ie., the Lord's Day.
 
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