Instruments in Worship?

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The non-instrumental position must show not only that instruments were a part of temple worship, but that instruments are an element of worship. A positive Biblical case is so required.

Better worded: The instrumental position must show not only that instruments were not just part of temple worship, but that instruments are an element of Christian worship equally binding on the Gentiels and Church for all ages...a positive Biblical case is so required. ;)
 
Originally posted by webmaster
The non-instrumental position must show not only that instruments were a part of temple worship, but that instruments are an element of worship. A positive Biblical case is so required.

Better worded: The instrumental position must show not only that instruments were not just part of temple worship, but that instruments are an element of Christian worship equally binding on the Gentiels and Church for all ages...a positive Biblical case is so required. ;)

Actually, no. Brush up on your RPW Matt. ;)

Unless you want to start finding a "positive Biblical case" that is "equally binding on Gentiles and the Church" for amplification (for preaching), light (for reading the word) and the use of plates/cups (for the sacraments), then there is no reason to find a "positive Biblical case" for instruments. It's called a "circumstance."

The task here is clearly for the EP crowd to show texts that prove that: (1) instruments are an element of worship, and (2) that two elements can co-exist in such an overlapped fashion (instruments and song). I know of no other example of two elements co-existing in such a fashion (especially since the EPers deny that we can sing any non-Psalter Scripture, so that strikes out reading and song).

As the EPers have insistently stated: there must be a command from the Bible for something to be an element of worship. The non-instrumental position is that instruments are an element (like drama) NOT a circumstance. So I will await the Scriptures that (a) state that instruments are commanded - OUTSIDE of the context of song, and (b) then state that such an element is no longer commanded - because even EPers state that such an element WAS commanded previously (which makes it different from the "only psalms were ever commanded argument).

Go ahead Matt. I won't hold my breath.
 
Psalm 43: 3,4:
"Oh send out Thy light and Thy truth; let them lead me, let them lead me to Thy holy hill and to Thy dwelling! Then I will go to the altar of God, to God my exceeding joy; and I will praise Thee with the lyre, O God, my God."

These verses have in them reference to the Trinity, to the temple, to worship, to sacredness of place and worship, to an instrument used in worship, etc. But overriding these is the sense of communion between God and man, a holy communion involving praise and worship.
 
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Originally posted by Peter
Originally posted by Puritanhead
Yeah bring in the electric guitars and the bongos, and we can party lot charismatics!

And the goats and bulls, and we can party like the Levites!

Unless of course it is a pitch pipe - that doesn't count.

... that's so Churches of Christ, Fred ;)

[Edited on 8-6-2005 by BrianBowman]
 
That observation by Lawrence that a pitchipe is nothing but a round moutorgan has got me in stitches.:bigsmile:
 
Actually, as one who grew up in the Churches of Christ, the argument that Matt is positing and Fred is showing the fallacy is the exact argument that they (and I) used.
 
Originally posted by Draught Horse
Originally posted by SolaScriptura
It does my heart good to see that my position is winning.
Because as I learned from Clinton, polls mean everything! :banana:

Ben, PastorWay, and I agree. That warms my heart, too. I always get nervous when I disagree too much with the status quo on the board. People might think that I am really argumentive and such in real life, when it is far from being the case. Just ask Patrick, Josh, Fred, I am really not that bad a guy in person!

Seriously, ditto to PastorWay.

Finally, something I can be in the majority with, unlike baptism.
 
Fred,

Maybe I'm just not following you. An element is something that we cannot do without. A circumstance is something like the time we meet for worship, which is not "set in stone."

You said:

"The non-instrumental position is that instruments are an element (like drama) NOT a circumstance."

This is reversed in my thinking as a result of the ceremonial law. If instruments are non-ceremonial and an element, then they would be required. If they are part of the ceremonial law (which as I said is the question at hand) then then are an element only for the Jews, and abrogated at the fulfillment of Christ.

So as I noted, what has to happen is that non-instrumentalists have to show why instruments are not part of ceremonial worship. We all agree that the ceremonial law was abrogated in Christ (fulfilled).

EP and non-instrumentalism are really based on how one views OT worship in general, and how they view the ceremonial law.

People quote the psalms "Praise the Lord with with the harp," etc. It sounds to me like they are, as Dabney said, "reasoning shallowly." This is the same plea (exactly) which would draw us all back to human priests and bloody sacrifices. The Psalms also tell us to "bind your sacrifices with cords, even unto the horns of the altar." They want to use instruments, but do not seem to feel obligated to do this. Why? "Oh," they say, "such things were abrogated with the coming of Christ." I concur. So were the horns, altars, cymbals, harps and lyres when the temple was removed. We should not be borrowing, in this way with instruments, from the temple cultus of the Jews. If we do, then we are as obliged as Rome is to continue with all sorts of popish nonsense. Open the door, and it all comes sweeping in. Choirs are in too then (and how many times do we have to explain to ministers of the Gospel the RPW on choirs?) If instruments are in, the all of the OT temple cultus for worship is in.

Dabney press the point, in the congregation, each person is to offer their own personal homage and worship to God. Anything detracting from that during worship is a division. In this was, worship is to be didactic (which is the point of it all). Paul settled this quite conclusively in 1 Corinthians that worship is to be done in a known tongue, otherwise it does not edify. Those speaking in an unknown tongue are to be silent, even though that person could claim being moved by the Spirit. Such a tongue, though, is not a vehicle for didactic teaching of truth. And what does he use as an example? 1 Cor. 14 - the clanging cymbal of temple worship.

Instead, it should be the faculty of the human voice used. Though it is musically inclined, it can propagate the divine truth of the character and work of God in the singing of psalms, in singing His praise. For the Christian, says Dabney, the non-appointment of musical instruments (mechanical accompaniment) is the prohibition.

It is not the burden of proof of the non-inst, or EP to deal with this. It is those who, in attempting to change the RPW, to allow such things, to prove it is so.

The only place even remotely speaking of instruments after the abrogation of the ceremonial law is in Revelation where the saints hold in one hand a harp, and in the other a bowl of incense. Obviously, they are not playing the harp since they are holding bowls. It is completely symbol on both accounts.

Instrumentalists must prove why the ceremonial law, in certain respects and not others, continues. Now that is feat which I am sure I will not hold my breath on. :P



[Edited on 8-6-2005 by webmaster]
 
Matt,

It really is this simple:

It matters not (in the first instance) if instruments are are part of ceremonial worship. The initial question is to determine whether instrumental worship is an element or a circumstance. If an element, THEN we go to the next step, and see whether they have been done away with by the passing of OT ceremonial worship.

What you have done is skip the initial, fundamental line of inquiry (as do all EPers). That (in my opinion) is the only way to forbid instrumental accompaniment. It is a kind of Animal Farm, "Ceremonial bad, non-Ceremonial good!" mantra, folled by the assertion that because something was a part of ceremonial worship, it must have been done away with in the temple. Well, guess what? So was reading Scripture. So was prayer. But we don't do away with them?

Anyways, that is ALL BESIDES the point. For something to be forbidden, it must be an element. Only elements are forbidden by the RPW. Commanded elements MUST be done (your point taken there) - there is no option here. Prayer MUST be included. Preaching MUST be included. Non-commanded (as opposed to the Lutheran/Anglican view - forbidden) elements are impermissible. But we do not need a command for a circumstance. It is beside the RPW. We never even have that line of inquiry. It is a matter of liberty. We cannot forbid lights, because it might "distract some from attending on the preached word." We cannot forbid amplification, because it has some other negative effect. We can say that the use of lights or amplification in a certain situation or circumstance is unwise, according to Christian prudence, but we cannot say that lights or amplification are per se impermissible for all churches at all times.

So likewise with instruments. In order to take the position (consistent with the RPW) that instrumental accompaniment is per se impermissible, you must first show that it is an element. The way (consistent with the RPW) that one shows something is an element is by showing that it is commanded by God in Scripture. To fail to do that is to allow for elements that God has not commanded - and hence a violation of the RPW.

So I am asking for a simple command (or even good and necessary consequence) that instrumental accompaniment is an element of worship in and of itself. Like we have for prayer, for song, for reading Scripture, for preaching. Exactly like that.

Then, if you can show such a command (again, I will not hold my breath), because you have shown a command from God to have instrumental accompaniment as an element of worship, you must show a positive command from God that retracts that element. Not a logical inference from Calvin, Owen, or any divine. A Biblical command.

You see, my position is simple - which you have conveniently missed in order to paint me into a corner - instrumental accompaniment is a circumstance of singing, like lights or amplification. Thus instruments are neither required, nor forbidden. But you must show that they are an element, in order to bind men's consciences. And unlike other elements (say, drama), you must show that it is an element from Scripture, because you have admitted that instrumental accompaniment was once commanded by God (i.e. in the temple).
 
Psalm 150

1 Praise the LORD!

Praise God in His sanctuary;
Praise Him in His mighty firmament!

2 Praise Him for His mighty acts;
Praise Him according to His excellent greatness!

3 Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet;
Praise Him with the lute and harp!
4 Praise Him with the timbrel and dance;
Praise Him with stringed instruments and flutes!
5 Praise Him with loud cymbals;
Praise Him with clashing cymbals!

6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.

Praise the LORD!


It seems to me that verse 6 is indicating that the previously mentioned instruments should not be thought of as the only "sanctioned" instruments for praising God. To me it is saying, "God can be praised with a trumpet; He can be praised with a cymbal; He can be praised with a Stratocaster/Twin Reverb combo."

It is also unfathomable (to me) to think that under the old covenant musical praise could be expressed in such broad and glorious terms "everything that has breath", and under the new covenant it is restricted to the human voice alone.

And the New is better?
 
Originally posted by Rick Larson
It is also unfathomable (to me) to think that under the old covenant musical praise could be expressed in such broad and glorious terms "everything that has breath", and under the new covenant it is restricted to the human voice alone.

And the New is better?

Interestingly, the argument about "the Old Covenant made provision... the New Covenant should too if it is actually BETTER" is part of what ultimately convinced me of paedobaptism. Funny that some don't see how this same line of reasoning applies to our worship just as much as to our children.

I think you bring up a good point.
 
Fred,

"What you have done is skip the initial, fundamental line of inquiry (as do all EPers)."

I understand why you are saying this, but, its a result of leaving out a fundamental study overall. You are arguing backwards.

In none of the threads on EP, for example, did anyone really go through temple and synagogue worship, and the elements thereof. That is first. Once you establish how worship worked for the Jews, and then established what elements of their worship were part of the ceremonial law, could the discussion continue reasonably.

But at that point, that is what is going to collapse the non-EP, inclusive instrumental argument. That is why that portion of this discussion since its inception in every thread has been avoided.

Mark out the commands of God for temple worship and the Jews, mark out the OT offices of psalmist and music ministers, mark out the elements of worship and their commands, and then mark the ceremonial law overall, and you will have a guide by which to apply the RPW for them and how aspects of that have abrogated by Christ.

I've not painted you into a corner. Ive not sidestepped anything. I proposed before, that the duty of praise be sought out first, and then continue from t here how temple worship worked - your response was "I don't see how that applies to the subject at all" - and that, my brother, is the entire point of the subject at hand.

That is why all the reformers and all the puritans rejected what you are accepting (even if a few of them disagreed with EP) - they understood the RPW to exclude the ceremonial law which, as they thought, included instruments, and pressed the point of opening the floodgates to all cermonies if one accepted part of the ceremonial law.
 
Matt,

You keep missing my point. I am not saying that the ceremonial law distinctions are not important. But I am saying that the element/circumstance distinction is more important and more fundamental. We first have to determine whether something is an element or a circumstance. To start with the temple or synagogue and the distinctions thereof is to "start backwards." Begin with the element/circumstance.

I ask again: is instrumental accompaniment an element? This is foundational. If it is an element, it requires a command from God. If not, it does not. Nothing else matters at all until we answer that question. It is at the heart of what the RPW means. So I am still waiting for Biblical evidence that shows that instrumental accompaniment is an element, and that it was commanded (at least for the temple era). Discussing how temple worship "worked" is qa secondary line of inquiry - not unimportant, simply secondary.
 
Ben wrote:


But of course, it must be in a tasteful, tube-distortion kind of way-- thus the Fender Twin. ;)

Actually, I'm not a fan of contemporary worship in church. The contemporary approach has greatly dumbed-down worship on many levels. I think having a minimal amount of instrumental backup (a piano) is most edifying for congregational singing. Of course, I'm thinking pragmatically here and according to what is "most edifying for us", not "what is most acceptable to God".


Josh wrote:
But the question is, who gets to define "better"? Could it be that we define "better" arbitrarily?

Yes, it's very arbitrary and subjective-- just like my pitch for a single piano in worship. I don't know what the answer is, really, and being a musician (a guitar player no less!!) I've struggled with this issue quite a bit.

[Edited on 8-7-2005 by Rick Larson]
 
I voted in the middle as well. I can't stand churches that have an entire orchastra or where the organ or drums overtakes the congregational singing. Acapella is beautiful by those who have been taught to sing (mennonite children are taught the old form of musical note recognition). However, I love hearing a celtic flute in the background or a small stringed instrument. As long as it stays in the the background (thus assisting in the singing not overtaking it).
 
Originally posted by joshua
But the question is, who gets to define "better"? Could it be that we define "better" arbitrarily?

Exactly, Josh. We are not just opening doors to everything, and having to explain choirs all over again. The question is not whether we bring in a Stratocaster, but what we bring in when we bring in a Stratocaster. What do we do when we have to have music "modernized" instead of epitomized? Is that the best we can do, imitate the world? Our prime question has to be who or what we think we are really worshipping. We are lacking the ability to look at modern music, both modern praise music and modern popular music, and being able to analyze it deeper than the world does. We can't look past the guitars and drums just as much as the world can't. Do we understand why "Miami Vice" used the music it did for its episodes, why "Star Wars" used the music it did? Did we even think about it? The world did. They know. They know the spirit that lives in certain kinds of music, that lives in a certain way of expression through music. But you'll never get them to admit to it in black and white, unless by inadvertancy.

I follow both Fred's and Matt's lines of reasoning. In some cases I would cite the RPW to throw out the RPW, the way it is sometimes employed. Why can't I come before God to worship? Why does the RPW prohibit me? I know that that is stretching it a bit, but sometimes it feels like the RPW bars the door against me, when it is supposed to be barring the door to added elements. Music is seen, in my opinion, in a wholly wrong light. If there was one thing that stood out against the Girardeau argument in my mind it was his misunderstanding of what music is ( there was a lot more, but this does stand out. ) If we forbid singing the praises of the heart, unless they are first written in Scripture, then we have to forbid prayers that are not in Scripture; but mostly and most overtly we must forbid sermons that are not found in Scripture. After all, in praise the people are speaking their own hearts in response to the gospel, but mininsters in preaching are supposed to be speaking God's words, the gospel itself. Yes, the praise must be as doctrinally correct as we can get it, but that does not mean that everything that is said, sung or played must be in Scripture word for word. If that were so, we would have to throw out our Confessional Standards too, for I would wonder if they represent elements or circumstance. ( Some Dutch Reformed churches have only Psalms, but also have a catechism sermon every Sunday, read alongside the Word of God. )

If we may express ourselves in sentences, then we may do so in lyric and with accompaniment. Both are a form of communication and expression. It is a higher form of inflection. But if we can't be originally Christian in our expression, and have to copy the world, then it is not that we brought strange instruments into worship, we have brought a strange heart.

This, I guess, is a long way of saying that we have to look even further than whether musical instruments are an element, or whether they were a commanded element of OT worship. We have to ask if music itself, the talent, the uniqueness of it for each person, the way it opens the heart of even the non-musically inclined, is an element of humanity that God created, or if it is an element of the Fall. The Fender Stratocaster came into being after the Fall, but I don't think music itself did. Music is a wonderful thing, because even though man is depraved in every aspect of his being, yet music itself remains untouched by it, just as truth is, or beauty, or goodness. Music is in the realm of beauty in expression, and hangs on goodness and truth. And to attain to it is praiseworthy, even for an unbeliever. That he still refuses to submit his heart to his Maker is not. But that does not ruin music itself, or using an instrument, but only his own expression through music.

So the talk about the OT worship, or the talk about elements and circumstance, I think still misses the mark. Such discussions only close the doors to people, not to music or instruments in the right way.

An instrument itself is a dead thing. It does nothing, and serves no purpose. Put it in the hands of a beginner and watch his heart liven up, not the instrument. Let him have some time to gain expertice and watch how he employs his budding talents to bring a lot of things together that were not possible before, and could not be without that expertice. And yet the instrument remains a dead thing througout. The life is in the heart. Our modern carelessness with this, even in Christian circles, ( How low can the bass go, how high the tenor, how long the held note, etc. ) is not an indictment against instruments, or even against good composition, but against carelessness. Music can become an idol, an end in itself or beside, in addition to, the worship of God. And that is wrong; that is what we forbid when we forbid a Stratocaster in church services. That is what the second law, or the RPW addresses. For the heart is the element of worship at stake in the centre of this, not the instrument that is employed.

In other words, music has grown and is growing its way right out of the worship service in our time. And we're arguing over the RPW. In the end, its just legality, and nothing more. But address the modern music problem, and you've got my ear.

[Edited on 8-7-2005 by JohnV]
 
Ok - I'LL summarize VERY briefly:

Elements of OT tabernacle/temple worship:

Construction of the tabernacle
Exodus 25:9 Exactly as I show you concerning the pattern of the tabernacle, and of all its furniture, so you shall make it.

God expressed everything he desired in tabernacle/temple worship: fabrics, skins, colors, pins, poles, sockets, vestments, actions of officiating priests, holy ointment, incense, the parts and arrangements of worship.

There is no mention of musical instruments for liturgical worship.

There is mention of silver trumpets used to call the congregation.
Numbers 10:2 "Make two silver trumpets. Of hammered work you shall make them, and you shall use them for summoning the congregation and for breaking camp.

There seems to be no mention of musical instruments at all during the tabernacle worship.

When the temple was erected, David changed the Mosaic legislation on this worship because he was divinely directed to do so.
1 Chron. 28:11-13 describes following the pattern. Then 2 Chron. 29:25ff describe the introduction based on divine command.

2 Chronicles 29:25 And he stationed the Levites in the house of the LORD with cymbals, with stringed instruments, and with harps, according to the commandment of David, of Gad the king's seer, and of Nathan the prophet; for thus was the commandment of the LORD by his prophets.

This is plain.

As Moses received a divine plan for worship which excluded certain aspects that God introduced later, David fulfilled what God commanded him by the prophets and as a prophet, as well as the "sweet psalmist" of Israel, the office being contained by him.

This was not only given, but enforced by Gad and Nathan. This would not have been part of temple worship if God did not divinely command David to add to what God had already given Moses. But, as we are not dispensational, and progressive in our understanding of divine revelation, this is the manner in which God progressed worship. God's positive enactment grounded the propriety of the change. This is basic to the RPW.

Only what God commands is permitted. He commanded the "stationed Levites" - where? - "in the house of the LORD" - how? - with cymbals, with stringed instruments, and with harps, according to the commandment of David, of Gad the king's seer, and of Nathan the prophet; for thus was the commandment of the LORD by his prophets.

David, Gad and Nathan attest to the prophetic truth of the command.

Elements are of two kinds: generic/essential and typical/temporary. The sabbath day, reading and exposition of the Word, preaching addresses, singing of psalms, alms giving, are elements which are not regarded as typical. They are essential. There was no differentiation between tabernacle worship, temple worship, and synagogue worship in these things. Essential elements remained. Whatever was absent from the synagogue and present in the temple was typical. Certain elements of temple worship which were typical were symbolic of Christ to come and fulfill all ceremonies pointing to Him.

We could list dozens of various ideas ceremonially that were fulfilled in Christ: washings, anointing, sacrifices, external marks of all kinds.

No musical instruments were employed, ever, by anyone in corporate worship outside the temple. They were not even used in the tabernacle until David heard from God. Whatever was embraced in the temple that was removed as typical for synagogue worship is gone. The Holy Spirit fulfilled many of these things under the Gospel "dispensation".

The veil of the temple was torn by Christ, demonstrating the end of temple worship and all typical elements of temple worship in the progression of divine providence. (Also the destruction of the temple clues us in to some ideas as well.) It was not practiced in the Apostolic Church, nor by any example in the NT at any time. Nor by Christ. This fits the pattern of synagogue worship which, as James says, we "synagogue" together when we meet.

There is no one of historic significance during the early church, Reformation, or Puritanism of any kind that disagrees with the above line of thought, the ancient typical elements of the temple, and the manner of synagogue worship in the NT. Even men of our own day, close to it at least (Spurgeon, Thornwell, Hodge, etc.) did not employ them under the same circumstance.

It would take up far too much room to name all those throughout history that rejected instruments based on these and other ideas on the RPW.

Non-instrumentalists need a postive command by God to engage as a generic element of worship instruments.

Since the only picture is, as I said, in Revelation is wholly symbolic, it remains as Congregational singing in a known tongue following the NT command.

[Edited on 8-7-2005 by webmaster]
 
(1Ch 16:29) Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name: bring an offering, and come before him: worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness.

(Psa 29:2) Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name; worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness.

(Psa 96:9) O worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness: fear before him, all the earth.
 
Well, I dedicated the better part of this Lord's Day evening to reading Schwertly's article and I have to admit that the argument is compelling. I can't help but see how instruments must be regulated in some sense-- and if so, how exactly are they to be regulated? How can anything except the non-instrumental view be anything but arbitrary? Taking the "instruments are a necessary circumstance of human action" view doesn't remedy the situation. Who decides what is necessary?

This thread has really hit me like a ton of bricks, as I have grown increasingly convicted of my own role as a guitar player in our "worship band". I've seen it all as far as contemporary worship goes-- starting out at my first church, a willow creek seeker clone where I played the electric guitar loud and hard-- all the way to my present church where I'm a mellow acoustic guy (while still interjecting my tasty little arpeggios whenever possible). The nagging feeling that I am doing something I really shouldn't has grown stronger and stronger all the time. No matter how much I've tried to convince myself that it's all for the Lord and his glory, I just can't seem to find solace in it.

It was very encouraging to read about the RPW tonight. I have never really sat down and actually studied it before. I obviously know only the tip of the iceberg, but I can totally see how this principle is meant to free the children of God and not to restrict them. Left to our own devices, opinions, tastes, etc.., we can only create more bondage and division.

I guess this now means I'm going to be even more of a party pooper at church than ever. :)

[Edited on 8-8-2005 by Rick Larson]
 
For benefit of those who do not have the ability to read a PDF file, I've appended below the last portion of John B. Adger's article written in reply to Thomas Smyth, "A Denial Of Divine Right For Organs In Public Worship," The Southern Presbyterian Review, 20.1 January 1869, 69-104. I gave the link for this above somewhere. Adger addresses the nature of circumstances of worship noted in WCF 1.6, and adduces Owen and Cunningham on the subject, as well as Scott Bushey's favorite book, Jus Divinum.:) Adger also makes comments that may let us make the distinction between using an instrument like a pitch pipe to get folks going on the same and right note (which would be a circumstance according to him), and instrumental accompaniment and instrumental music in worship that is not used in singing at all (the prelude, postlude, etc. i.e. "mood music"). There are those while they do not have a problem with instrumental accompaniment to aid the singing (arguing for it as a circumstance for that purpose), who reject such mood music (see Stephen Pribble's online article who makes such a distinction if I recall correctly).

Answers To Objections

In answer to our argument, we anticipate a twofold reply. 1. In the first place, it will be said that the necessary circumstances of worship are not specifically commanded and yet are not forbidden; and that instrumental music is a mere circumstance of the praise of God, and as such is lawful. Now, we freely admit the necessity of the limitation upon its own doctrine, that all things necessary for God´s glory, man´s salvation, truth, and life, are revealed in Scripture, which the Confession places, viz, that "œthere are some circumstances concerning the worship of God and government of the Church common to human actions and societies, which are to be ordered by the light of nature and Christian prudence, according to the general rules of the word, which are always to be observed" (Chap. I.6). This limitation, "œso cautiously and exactly stated," is, as Dr. Cunningham says, a "œnecessary" one. "œCommon sense requires this limitation and Scripture itself sanctions it. And it is the more necessary to attend to it, in stating and discussing this question, because it is very easy to misrepresent and caricature the Presbyterian doctrine upon this subject, as is done even by Hooker in his Ecclesiastical Polity; and because it is chiefly by means of this limitation, "¦ that the unwarrantableness and unfairness of the common misrepresentations of it [our doctrine] by Episcopalians are exposed."[1]

But what is the meaning of the doctrine of our Confession with this limitation appended? It is tantamount, we suppose, to the London Ministers´ statement of the true doctrine as applied to church government, in these words: "œAll the substantials of the government under the New Testament are laid down in the word in particular rules, whether they be touching officers, ordinances, censures, assemblies, and the compass of their power, as after will appear; and all the circumstantials are laid down in the word, under general rules of order, decency, and edification."[2]

The "œcircumstances" and the "œcircumstantials" are, of course, the same.[3] Owen explains the term. "œCircumstances (he says) are either such as follow actions, as actions, or such as are arbitrarily superadded, and adjoined by command unto actions." He gives an example of the first sort: "œPrayer is a part of God´s worship. Public prayer is so appointed by him. This, as it is an action to be performed by man, cannot be done without the assignment of time and place and sundry other things, if order and conveniency be attended to. These are circumstances that attend all actions of that nature to be performed by a community, whether they relate to the worship of God or no. These may men, according as they see good, regulate and change as there is occasion; I mean, they may do so who are acknowledged to have power in such things." But he proceeds: "œThere are also some things which some men call circumstances also, that no way belong, of themselves, to the actions whereof they are said to be the circumstances, but are imposed on them, or annexed unto them, by the arbitrary authority of those who take upon them to give order and rule in such cases. "¦ These are not circumstances attending the nature of thing itself, but are arbitrarily superadded to the things that they are appointed to accompany."[4]

Now, our Confession, of course, speaks only of the former of these two classes of circumstances"”of circumstances belonging to God´s worship, as it is an action by a society, just such as attend all actions of all societies; circumstances which are so essential that without them the actions cannot be done. All such circumstances are really commanded in the commanding of the action; for if men are commanded to come together to pray, they are commanded to agree upon a time and place of coming together.

Certainly it cannot be maintained that the organ is a circumstance, in this sense. Clearly, it is something annexed to the worship. Under the law, such things were a necessary part of the divine worship, as Owen says.[5] Who will pretend that they came in then as mere circumstances, or by human authority, and not by special divine authority given to inspired David? But if, confessedly, they came not in then as mere circumstances nor by decree of man, no more may they now find entrance in this way.

As to the tuning fork, if it be a necessary circumstance of rightly pitching the voice, without which God´s ordinance of singing cannot be properly carried into execution, then it must be held to be one of the things commanded; and so the question of its use must be left to Christian liberty and prudence.

This plea of the organ´s being a mere circumstance of worship, whilst it may be offered by others, is not and could not be employed by Dr. Smyth. With characteristic frankness he boldly defends the organ as a competent part of the worship of God under the New Testament. This is the only manly and fair position its advocates can take. But whenever they do take it, they have to encounter the condemnation which awaits those who presume to add to God´s commands respecting his worship.

2. The other reply which we anticipate to our argument affirms this principle, that whatever was appointed of old, and was acceptable to God under a former dispensation, and has not been specifically abolished by name, may now be employed by us in the public worship of God, provided it seem good and proper to ourselves; because the Church has liberty. Sacrifices and all other typical things having been fulfilled in Christ, have, it is said, passed away, of course; but the instruments of music had no typical meaning, and so they may stand firm in the New Testament worship, provided we think proper. It is further urged in this reply, that instrumental music having been acceptable to God formerly, it may be presumed that it cannot now be unacceptable to him, since he has not specifically forbidden it.

Now, 1. Has the Church any liberty beyond the mere circumstances which belong necessarily to God´s appointments? So does not our Confession teach. So did not our forefathers in England and Scotland teach. So do not the Scriptures teach. The Church has not liberty to appoint rites. Worship of her will is not acceptable. In vain do we worship after the commandments of men. It is for God only to determine how he is to be approached.

2. Are we authorized to say that the instruments used in public worship of old had no typical meaning? Fairbairn tells us that the tabernacle or temple, "œas a whole, is affirmed in the Epistles to the Hebrews and the Colossians to have been of a typical nature."[6] Nor can this statement be disputed. But if the whole be represented in Scripture as typical, which of us shall venture to say of any part that it is not typical? Fairbairn goes on to say (p. 60), that "œwhile New Testament Scripture speaks thus of the whole, it deals very sparingly in particular examples; "¦ it no where tells us what was either immediately symbolized or prophetically shadowed forth by the holy place in the tabernacle, or the shewbread, or the golden candlestick, or the ark of the covenant, or indeed by any thing connected with the tabernacle, excepting its more prominent offices and ministrations." Even the Epistle to the Hebrews, he says, "œwhich is most express in a ascribing a typical value to all that belonged to the tabernacle, can yet scarcely be said to give any detailed explanation of its furniture and services beyond the rite of expiatory sacrifice. "¦ So that those who insist on explicit warrant and direction from Scripture in regard to each particular type, will find their principle conducts them but a short way, even through that department which they are obliged to admit possesses throughout a typical character." It would seem to be enough for us to know that worship by instruments was a part of the public worship of the temple,[7] to satisfy us that it was abolished with the whole of that temporary and peculiar institute of God. Clearly, this was one of the "œcarnal ordinances imposed on them until the time of reformation" (Heb. 9:10), to pass away with the other "œelements or rudiments of the world," to which the Church in her juvenile estate was "œin bondage" and under pupilage "œas to a schoolmaster." Fairbairn dwells (p. 59) on this idea of the Church being prepared for higher, simpler, more spiritual methods of instruction and worship by the use of these merely animal, fleshly, sensuous, material, temporal things; and describes her passing with intelligence and delight "œfrom rudimental tutelage under the shadows of good things into the free use and enjoyment of the things themselves." It must accordingly be worse than childishness in her now to go back to a delight in using any part of this antiquated and therefore abolished system. We follow in the track of Paul when we reason that what is decayed and waxen old should vanish from use in the New Testament Church (Heb. 8:13).

3. Is it to be taken for granted always that a mode of worship once acceptable to God is always acceptable? It is not. God claims the sovereign right to alter and to abolish his own institutes. It is indeed "œa fallacy that whatever is appointed by God can never become obsolete."[8] Circumcision is obsolete. Once imperatively necessary to secure God´s friendship, now, "œif ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing," and you shall be lost. Before Moses, it was right and acceptable to offer sacrifices to God on high places. Afterwards they were abominable if offered any where but at the tabernacle. Still later, the tabernacle gives way to the temple. Shiloh and Gibeon are profane, and "œin Jerusalem is the place where we ought to worship;" but now it would be wicked to insist on any such rule. Once, incense in clouds arose acceptably before God. Now, we may not dare to borrow any such thing from an abolished ritual. The Church could not plead that this was once acceptable to God; has not been specifically abolished; would be a very seemly and beautiful appendage to public prayer; and must therefore, of course, be lawful to us and pleasing to God. No! the Christian Church had inspired apostles to set up her doctrine, government, and worship. This was one especial part of their apostolic work. They were not capable of forgetting any thing required of us by the Lord, for they had the Spirit to guide them. And now we may not impute imperfection to their work, by essaying any improvements upon it whatsoever.
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[1] See Cunningham´s admirable remarks on human inventions in worship, in his Discussions on Church Principles, pp. 249-256. [Ed. William Cunningham, Discussions on church principles: Popish, Erastian, and Presbyterian (Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1863)].

[2] Divine Right of Church Government. Part 2, chap. 4.

[3] The London Ministers prepared their work on the Divine Right in 1646, during the meetings of the Westminster Assembly. The statement concerning "œcircumstances," as now found in our Form of Government, occurs nearly word for word in the "œFirst Paper of Proposals" offered by the Presbyterians to Charles II, in 1660, preparatory to the Savoy Conference.

[4] Owen´s Discourse concerning Liturgies. Works, Vol. [15], p. 437.

[5] Ibidem, p. 439.

[6] Fairbairn´s Typology, Vol 1, p. 29. [Ed. The Typology of Scripture: viewed in connection with the whole series of the divine dispensations (Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1864; fourth edition].

[7] We are by no means prepared to admit that the use of instruments in the temple belonged to the stated or ordinary worship there. Upon some extraordinary occasions, it did undoubtedly make a part of the temple worship, however, and that by divine command. It is amusing to see how delighted Dr. Smyth is when he can quote one of the references to "œa commandment of the Lord" to this effect (see p. 541), as appears from the capital letters he employs. That is all which the use of organs in the New Testament Church lacks "” the command of the Lord by the apostles, either perceptively or by example; either expressly or constructively by good and necessary consequence.

[8] Killeen´s Ancient Church, p. 78. [Ed. Note. W. D. Killeen, The ancient church : its history, doctrine, worship, and constitution, traced for the first three hundred years (London: J. Nisbet, 1859)]
 
Since I'm at it, the following is John L. Girardeau's comments on this subject taken from his very important article on church power, The Discretionary Power of the Church (full text here). After quoting Thornwell on circumstances, he applies the dotrine to the area of public worship.

The doctrine of circumstances applied to musical instruments in public worship.
There are three criteria by which the kind of circumstances attending worship which fall under the discretionary power of the church may be determined: first, they are not qualities or modes of the acts of worship; they are extraneous to them as a certain kind of actions; secondly, they are common to the acts of all societies, and, therefore, not peculiar to the acts of the church as a particular sort of society -- they are not characteristic and distinctive of her acts and predicable of them alone; and thirdly, they are conditions necessary to the performance of the acts of worship -- without them the acts of this society could not be done, as without them the acts of no society could be done.

Let us now bring a liturgy to the test of these criteria; and it is instanced because it is an appendage to one of the acts in which worship is, in the strictest sense, rendered to God -- prayer. It cannot abide the first, because it qualifies and modifies the act of prayer itself -- it is a kind of prayer, a mode in which it is offered. It cannot abide the second, because it is not common to human actions and societies -- all societies, political, scientific, agricultural, mechanical and others surely do not, as such, use liturgies. It cannot abide the third, because a liturgy is not a condition necessary to the performance of the act of prayer. Its necessity could only be pleaded on one of two grounds: either that without it the act of prayer cannot be performed at all, and that is out of the question; or, that without it the act cannot be performed decently and in order, and to take that ground is to impeach the office of the Holy Ghost, who is specially promised to teach us how to pray and what things to pray for, to depreciate the capacities of the sanctified intelligence of man, and to pass a derogatory criticism upon some of the purest churches that have ever flourished, and some of the noblest saints who have ever edified the people of God by their ministrations.

The other strict and proper act of worship is the singing of praise. Let it be observed that it is not praise, but the singing of praise. The distinction is not captious -- it is precisely made by the New Testament and our Standards. They both prescribe the act of singing, and they both recognize the element of praise as not peculiar to that act. The Confession of Faith says: prayer with thanksgiving is one special part of religious worship; and the Directory for Worship designates giving thanks as an element in the prayer before sermon in public services. Praise has, therefore, a generic character, and sustains a two-fold relation -- to prayer and to singing. The specific element, then, in the part of worship we are considering is singing. Now it is pleaded that the church has discretionary power to employ instrumental music, as one of the circumstances allowed by our Standards. Let us submit it to the test of the criteria by which these circumstances are determined. First, they are not parts of the acts of worship by which they are modified; but this circumstance is a part of the act of singing praise by which it is performed. Secondly, these circumstances are common to the acts of human societies, not peculiar to, and distinctive of, those of the church. It is very certain that instrumental music is not such a circumstance. It will hardly be said that all societies play on instruments as well as the church. Thirdly, these circumstances are conditions necessary to the performance of the acts of worship, without which they either cannot be done at all, or not done decently and in order. That the singing of praise cannot be performed at all without instrumental music will be affirmed by none. But it may be affirmed that it cannot without it be performed decently and in order. Let it be noticed that the question is not whether it may be performed in an indecent and disorderly manner. Granted; but so may instrumental music. The question is, whether it cannot be done decently and in order without instrumental accompaniment. The question can only be determined by reference of the practice to a permanent and universal standard of propriety and decorum. And to say that the simple singing of God's praise in His house is indecent and disorderly is to say, that for twelve centuries the church of Christ was guilty of this impropriety; for it is a matter of history that for that period not even the Church of Rome knew anything of instruments in her worship. To say that the simple singing of God's praise violates the standard of decency and order of this age is to censure the glorious Free Church of Scotland and the Irish Presbyterian Church for an indecent and disorderly conduct of this part of divine worship. The ground, therefore, that instrumental music in public worship is one of those circumstances required by the rule that all things be done decently and in order cannot be maintained without a spirit of arrogance and censoriousness which would itself violate the higher principle of Christian charity.

It is submitted, with all modesty, that this line of argument ought to be conclusive with Presbyterians, at least, against ranking instrumental music in public worship as one of the circumstances common to human actions and societies which fall under the discretion of the church. Consequently, to justify it, it must be proved to be one of those directly commanded things which the apostles taught the church to observe. To take that ground is to contradict the unbroken evidence of history from the apostolic age until the middle of the thirteenth century. The force of this consideration lies here: there having been a tendency in the church from the earliest age to depart from the simple institutions of the Gospel, it is utterly unaccountable that she should have become more simple in her worship after the apostles fell asleep than she was under their personal teaching. It is clear as day, the human heart being what it is, that if the apostolic churches had been accustomed to this mode of worship it never would have been eradicated. The natural tastes of men all forbid the supposition. The elimination of instrumental music from the worship of Christ's house by the best churches of the Reformation, by the English Puritans and the Church of Scotland, was the result of an effort to purify the church and to restore her to what they conceived to be the simplicity of apostolic practice. In this matter, we have relapsed from their reformed position. But if the use of instrumental music in the New Testament Church be not either directly commanded in Scripture, or indirectly as one of the circumstances common to human actions and societies and lying within the sphere of commanded things, it only remains to consider it a clear, substantive addition to the divinely revealed rule of faith and duty in the Written Word; and then it is prohibited. The issue is: Either we must prove that it is one of the things expressly or implicitly commanded by Christ, or admit that it is forbidden. The latter alternative is the doctrine of our Standards; and, if so, the inference as to what our practice ought to be is too apparent to be pressed.
 
Very convincing arguments Matt. I am looking forward to reading the article by Schwertley and others.


:ditto: to becoming the biggest "party-pooper" at church. It is very freeing though to realize that God is Spirit, and these are only ways to help us worship him in Spirit and Truth.

This quote from Thomas Watson is a reminder to me of how we are to worship our Lord.

What is it to be spiritual?

To be refined and sublimated, to have the heart still in heaven, to be thinking of God and glory, and to be carried up in a fiery chariot of love to God. 'Whom have I in heaven but thee' (Ps. 73:25)? Which Beza paraphrases thus, Apage terra, utinam tecunt in calo essem! 'Begone earth! Oh that I were in heaven with thee!' A Christian, who is taken off from these earthly things, as the spirits are taken off from the lees, has a noble spiritual soul, and most resembles him who is a Spirit.

Use four: It shows that the worship which God requires of us, and is most acceptable to him, is spiritual worship. 'They which worship him, must worship him in spirit and in truth' (John 4:24). Though God will have the service of our bodies, our eyes and hands lifted up, to testify to others that reverence we have of his glory and majesty, yet he will have the worship of the soul chiefly. 'Glorify God in your body, and in your spirit' (1 Cor. 6:20). Spirit-worship God prizes, because it comes near to his own nature, which is a Spirit.

What is it to worship God in spirit?

(1) To worship him without ceremonies. The ceremonies of the law, which God himself ordained, are now abrogated, and out of date. Christ the substance being come, the shadows fly away; and therefore the apostle calls the legal ceremonies carnal rites (Heb. 9:10). If we may not use those Jewish ceremonies which God once appointed, then not those which he never appointed.

(2) To worship God in spirit, is to worship him with faith in the blood of the Messiah (Heb. 10:19). To worship him with the utmost zeal and intenseness of soul. 'Our twelve tribes instantly serving God day and night' (Acts 26:7), with intenseness of spirit; not only constantly, but instantly. This is to worship God in spirit. The more spiritual any service is, the nearer it comes to God, who is a Spirit, and the more excellent it is; the spiritual part of duty is the fat of the sacrifice: it is the soul and quintessence of religion. The richest cordials are made of spirits, and the best duties are such as are of a spiritual nature. God is a Spirit, and will be worshipped in spirit; it is not pomp of worship, but purity, which God accepts. Repentance is not in the outward severities used to the body, as penance, fasting, and chastising the body, but it consists in the sacrifice of a broken heart. Thanksgiving does not stand in church-music, the melody of an organ, but rather in making melody in the heart to the Lord (Eph. 5:19). Prayer is not the tuning the voice into a heartless confession, or telling over a few beads, but it consists in sighs and groans (Rom. 8:26). When the fire of fervency is put to the incense of prayer, then it ascends as a sweet odour. The true holy water is not that which the pope sprinkles, but is distilled from the penitent eye. Spirit-worship best pleases that God who is a Spirit. 'The Father seeketh such to worship him' (John 4:23); to show the great acceptance of such, and how God is delighted with spiritual worship. This is the savoury meat that God loves. How few mind this! They give him more dregs than spirits; they think it enough to bring their duties, but not their hearts; which makes God disclaim the very services he himself appointed (Is. 1:12; Ezek. 33:31). Let us then give God spirit-worship, which best suits his nature. A sovereign elixir full of virtue may be given in a few drops; so a little prayer, if it be with the heart and spirit, may have much virtue and efficacy in it. The publican made but a short prayer, 'God be merciful to me a sinner' (Luke 18:13), but it was full of life and spirit; it came from the heart, therefore it was accepted.
 
I'm against instruments as an element of worship.

I am for instruments as being a circumstance of worship to aid us in our singing.

I really see no difference between a piano and a pitch pipe.

I know some churches that have a person lead the singing from up front. I forget what the name of this 'office' is... I see no difference between this and using an instrument in our worship. Is this person appointed for this task in the NT? No. Circumstance...

For example: at the Trinity PCA in Escondido CA, Pipa used to have the piano in the back of the sanctuary to assist the congregation in their singing. This was done so that no one would be focused upon the player and his/her abilities.
 
Originally posted by poimen
I'm against instruments as an element of worship.

I am for instruments as being a circumstance of worship to aid us in our singing.

I really see no difference between a piano and a pitch pipe.

Can I just ask, why a piano and not a guitar? Or an organ? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I am honestly trying to work through this myself.
 
Originally posted by Rick Larson
Originally posted by poimen
I'm against instruments as an element of worship.

I am for instruments as being a circumstance of worship to aid us in our singing.

I really see no difference between a piano and a pitch pipe.

Can I just ask, why a piano and not a guitar? Or an organ? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I am honestly trying to work through this myself.

There is no reason why a piano and not a guitar - unless it is not a good aid in singing.
 
How about bongos, tamborines, and electric guitars--- have yourself a little charismatic hoe-down!!! I've walked into some funny churches while in college and try very hard not to laugh as I start grinnin' ear to ear.
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Oh no, I'm having a conundrum...

If EP is true, am I supposed to sing Psalm 150?

Wouldn't this be kind of silly if the non-instrumental view is correct?
 
Originally posted by Rick Larson
Oh no, I'm having a conundrum...

If EP is true, am I supposed to sing Psalm 150?

Wouldn't this be kind of silly if the non-instrumental view is correct?

Here is what the 1599 Geneva Bible has to say about it:

"Exhorting the people only to rejoice in praising God, he maketh mention of those instruments which by Gods commandment were appointed in the old Law, but under Christ the use thereof is abolished in the Church."
 
From a personal experience, I was the only semblance of a pianist that was available at a church I attended. I could only play about five hymns or psalms well enough, and I needed to really concentrate and shut out the singing in order to accompany on only those five songs. I did not have a piano or any keyboard at home to practice on. I would be faced with the songs chosen for the services the same time that the congregation was, upon entering and picking up a program. But I prayed fervently before God that He would grant me what was needed to lead the fledgling congregation in singing, because they knew very little of music. And He enabled me, so that in very short order, that very hour, I could play all the songs that were on the program, and well enough that the congregation sang well too. From that time on I could do things on the piano that I could never do before, or at least didn't know I could do. And I did not ask to have the list of songs before the service after that.

I stumbled sometimes, but I could always lead the singing. I noticed that I stumbled when I was less prayerful beforehand, approaching the hour of worship. Sometimes that happened when I was "too busy" talking to people as they came into the door. I had to set aside time for myself for prayer and preparation. Yet the talking also helped, because I got the feel of the congregation, what weight they were coming to the services with, or what joys they had, so that I could unify the congregation with my preludes. I would practice the songs before the afternoon service, because I would know which ones from the already printed program. But I found that it didn't help. I had to play the words, not the music, and for that I needed prayer according to the words of the songs. That helped most.

I know, it sounds strange, but that's what happened. After I left that church my abilities waned again. I could still play, but I could not do it like I did then. I retained a lot, but the ability to play on demand was gone. It may have been focus, but that doesn't explain everything; it may have been a number of things, like prayerfulness, earnestness, even shutting myself out for the sake of others, but all these fail to explain the fact that it was a time of spiritual growth for me, and that I played beyond my abilities.

I had played organ for church many years before, but I practiced hard for days beforehand, knowing usually by Wednesday what songs I had to play for one service on Sunday. I thought I could learn. But I fouled up more often than I did well. I finally quit trying, because I knew I just couldn't do it. I quit playing the organ altogether.

So if you ask if God approves of instruments, I would have to say He does. It is backed up by Augustine's treatise on intepreting God's Word, where he makes distinction between things for use and things that use, between things for enjoyment and things lead us away through enjoyment. Music can fall into either category. It wouldn't be right, for example, to bring George Harrison into the worship service by presenting an imitation of him as praise to God. Or ACDC, or The Grateful Dead, or The Rolling Stones. That's what I see often when I see electric bands leading worship. Sure, it makes the musicians happy, but it is a strange fire before God.

Where I think our problem lies is not whether musical instruments may accompany, but with discernment. And I see that ever so plainly in our utter lack of discernment in the preaching of the Word. We are so worried whether or not certain views are acceptable under the WCF, but fail to see that ministers are preaching willy nilly whatever they themselves are convinced of, and all that they need is a lack of disapproval from the denomination to do so. The denomination doesn't disapprove of the FH, for example, and so ministers think they have warrant to preach it, just because they themselves are convinced of it more than other views. But Christ never gave them leave to do that. But to question the minister's right to his opinions, and to preach them from the pulpit, is a big no-no. I disagree. Ministers are commissioned to preach God's Word, not their opinions. So we've become Reformed legalists instead of Reformed preachers. And we're trying to do the same thing with music and instruments.

Instruments can be used to beautify worship, just like better woodworking beautifies the sanctuary. Composition and talent can be used to enhance worship, without taking anything away from the inspired Word. If these are part of God's creation, and they can be used by man to enhance his expression, to beautify it, then it is also part of God's command to use it in worship of Him. And that it beautifies, there can be no question in our day, as there is a multi-billion dollar industry built upon that very fact. Why would anyone go to an Allison Kraus concert? Why do they go in droves? Why go to a Steven Curtis Chapman concert? Because they can make things beautiful through their music. And if music makes things beautiful, do we need any further command from God?

Instead, what we do is let it control us. It uses us. That is how bands get into the worship service, playing riffs from the latest worldly band. That is how contentless "hymns", which are nothing more than choruses or refrains denuded of their stanza content, replace asolid hymnology. That is how the great plethora of doctrine and NT salvation gets missed in the singing of the psalms. Its not that we don't just sing the Psalms, its that when we do we miss most of what they say to the whole of doctrine. And its not that hymns are "uninspired", for there is no such thing. Its that we sing to our own convenience, to our own satisfaction, to our own feelings, letting the music control us, instead of using it and commanding it, having dominion over it.

The world knows how to do that, and do it very well. And they have the power over us because we let them have it. Our ignorance of music, our lack of command over it, is our downfall. So we want to throw it out. Well, it won't help, because the world will still have command over us through it. Unless we can take it back, no amount of appeal to the RPW is going to avail in the slightest. It misses the mark.

I believe that Schaeffer was right, that the creative ability is a reflection in us of God's image. It is not part of the Fall, but a retention of God's image in us after the Fall. It is not worldly, it is holy. And we have conceded almost the entire field to the enemy. I say shame on us. Shame on us that we're even debating these things instead of working on them.
 
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