Joel Osteen

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Originally posted by bigheavyq
So why is joel osteen so popular, because most americans shun theology and doctrine. They want to be entertained, not salt and light. They are not producing fruit and most pastors don't want them to. they want their money but don't want them to study lest they find the pastor to be in error and loses his big salaried job. People want goosebumps and to feel good and most of them think they are on fire for God. The sad truth is they may be serving the pastor but not God, they are not changing the world. The problem in america is not liberals or the government or hollywood. the problem is the church plagued by existential philosophy of scheilermacher and kierkegaard. It preaches living but not from scripture, but from psychological americanism. What ever happened to the Bible and our puritan heritage? Why aren't we preaching sinners in the hands of an Angry God? We need a real reformation in our churches. We need real repentance in this nation. we need because it will transform our nation.

Dear Lord Jesus, we need thee!!!!!!

1 Peter 4:17 "For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?"
 
Originally posted by houseparent
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R.C. Sproul Jr. on Joel Osteen and the megachurch movement

We are not a very discerning bunch. Because our sympathies lie more with that which presents itself as clean and successful than with an itinerate Rabbi with dirty feet, we are easily taken in. Whether it is a slick Texas politician, or the latest bestselling book/movie/conference series, if it´s clean and popular, evangelicals eat it up. There are two groups that miss the phenomena, however. First, we who are Reformed, refuse to believe that anything popular could be any good, and so we resist whatever evangelical juggernaut is breathing down our neck. We´re far too cool for that kind of thing. The second group likewise is far too cool. These are the neo-evangelicals, the effete ones that won´t jump on bandwagons simply because it just isn´t done. This second crowd only enters the fray long enough to yell at the Reformed for being judgmental, then goes back to its asiago cheese, pinot noir and Re:Generation Quarterly, hoping to be seen by those who read the New York Times Review of Books.

While I like to believe myself firmly in the first group as a general rule, that is, I am thoroughly Reformed, and not at all given to asiago cheese, nevertheless, I´d like to see these two groups meet somewhere in the middle. Being blasé about error and tomfoolery is erroneous and tomfoolish. But playing the part of Chicken Little probably isn´t the solution either. Indeed, believing that the latest bushwa to come down the track will derail the Jesus train has more in common with believing the latest bushwa will inaugurate a golden age. We Reformed folk could use a little perspective, a little indifference, a little faith.

Today on the Today show I caught a minute or two of an interview with Joel Osteen, pastor of Somesuch Cost? What Cost? Mega-Happy-Center in Houston. His "œchurch" is said to be bigger than those "œchurches" shepherded by Apollyion and Beelzebub, or rather Rick Warren and Bill Hybels. As such we can expect to see him figure prominently in the Reformed Wrestling Smack Down, vying for the coveted crown of "œMost likely to destroy the church." Joel, whether he is a hapless geek who made it big by being nice, or a diabolical manipulator, doesn´t actually preach anything. Well, he does say that if we think happy thoughts Tinkerbell will survive. And so my camp begins wringing its hands. It seems, as luck would have it, that we have a confluence of a popular heretic with a big ole honking full sanctuary with media coverage. We´re doomed. These are the same folks who keep the volume turned down every time John MacArthur appears on Larry King, lest they miss the trumpet call.

Don´t get me wrong. I´m still Reformed. It´s a good thing to denounce error, to warn the flock. Joel is one bad guy, and the people that listen to him are badly duped. But please, can´t we be Reformed enough to know that this confluence didn´t happen by luck? Can´t we believe enough in the sovereignty of God to stop seeing face time on TV as the measure of how we are doing? The Kingdom of God has survived Billy Sunday, Billy Graham, Billy Carter, Billy Hybels and Billy Clinton. It has survived Promise Keepers, WWJD, Jabez´ prayer and every other Big Idea to come down the pike. It will do more than survive this latest drivel. May we learn to roundly denounce error, and may we learn to do it without spilling our wine all over the carpet.

http://www.postmillennialism.com/main.html


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While reading through the blogs on postmill...com, some of the Jamey Bennet quotes were, well...just odd. If, as he claims, he has "embraced 'Auburn Avenue theology'", has he not been called on it by the likes of RC Jr.? I mean he even went so far as to say he affirms that baptism saves. I know I'm not making something out of nothing. So is that particular forum open to any and every postmill-er and he just happens to be there along with RC or are these guys all buds and cohorts?
 
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