Joseph, You said, "Rich I am not claiming anything." In my quote of you (see below), you state three propositions or truth claims. Evertime you use the word "is" you are claiming something, at least I think so. That's why we are discussing this issue. You are making claims. I want to understand what you mean by what you say. I think one of the problems could be that I am seeking to understand you through traditional, Reformed, theological catagories. For my sake, could you answer the questions I posed (see below)? Originally posted by Rich Barcellos Joseph said, "The role of the Holy Spirit and Gods ministers is to constantly point us to Christ. The Law does not remind me how far short I fall. The Holy Spirit reminds me by pointing me to Christ, not the Law." Joseph, are you claiming that the law has no place in the process of sanctification? This, if it is the case, would be a denial of the third use of the law (i.e., the moral element of the OT law retains binding force and directing power in the life of the believer as employed by the Holy Spirit). This (i.e., third use) is pretty standard Reformed Theology. Or, are you claiming that the Holy Spirit does not use the law per above, but the gospel alone? This would be catagorized as doctrinal antinomianism, according to Jonathan F. Bayes in his work, The Weakness of the Law.