Mormon Missionaries
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sastark
Puritan Board Graduate
Just curious....
For those of you who engage Mormons (particularly those of you who invite them in to discuss theology), how do justify your actions based on 2 John 10-11:
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If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
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For those of you who engage Mormons (particularly those of you who invite them in to discuss theology), how do justify your actions based on 2 John 10-11:
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If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
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[Edited on 4-19-2004 by sastark]
tcalbrecht
Puritan Board Junior
[quote:fc5c2a607f][i:fc5c2a607f]Originally posted by sastark[/i:fc5c2a607f]
For those of you who engage Mormons (particularly those of you who invite them in to discuss theology), how do justify your actions based on 2 John 10-11:
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If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
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[Edited on 4-19-2004 by sastark] [/quote:fc5c2a607f]
My understanding is that 2 John 10-11 is speaking of having fellowship with those of "unsound doctrine", viz heretics and apostates who continue to promote doctrines contrary to Christ. I do not think this verse would keep us from having unbelieves into our homes, unless they are excommunicates.
I wouldn't share Christian fellowship with a Mormon since they are not Christians. I would share with them the true gospel of Christ. If that is your purpose in bringing them into your home, then I see no problem.
For those of you who engage Mormons (particularly those of you who invite them in to discuss theology), how do justify your actions based on 2 John 10-11:
[quote:fc5c2a607f]
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
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[Edited on 4-19-2004 by sastark] [/quote:fc5c2a607f]
My understanding is that 2 John 10-11 is speaking of having fellowship with those of "unsound doctrine", viz heretics and apostates who continue to promote doctrines contrary to Christ. I do not think this verse would keep us from having unbelieves into our homes, unless they are excommunicates.
I wouldn't share Christian fellowship with a Mormon since they are not Christians. I would share with them the true gospel of Christ. If that is your purpose in bringing them into your home, then I see no problem.
cupotea
Puritan Board Junior
The only time I was involved with Mormon missionaries was at the invitation of a friend of mine who needed someone to represent the Christian point of view. We met over several weeks, but they would never discuss Mormon doctrines unless we accepted Joseph Smith as a true prophet of God first. When we refused, they told us that they couldn't continue meeting with us.
However I did use the opportunity to present the gospel to them, so they are without excuse.
However I did use the opportunity to present the gospel to them, so they are without excuse.
kceaster
Puritan Board Junior
When I was younger, I was out shooting in the woods with a friend. After we got done, we walked back to my house and into the driveway pulls a Chevy Chevette with what seemed like 15 JW's crammed in the back. They saw me walk up with the rifle in my hand, and they quickly put the car in reverse and high-tailed it out of there.
We rolled on the ground for about 10 minutes.
So, if you have mormons or JW's come to your house, one good way to get rid of them is by a show of force.
Try these:
:zapped:
:tank:
:gunfire:
:hh:
KC
We rolled on the ground for about 10 minutes.
So, if you have mormons or JW's come to your house, one good way to get rid of them is by a show of force.
Try these:
:zapped:
:tank:
:gunfire:
:hh:
KC
Did you hear the story about the guy who was bound and determined to stop the JW's from coming to his house? He was so determined to that he hung a huge American flag up on his wall in the living room and waited for the next visit.
Sure enough, Saturday morning, there were 2 ladies with a little boy in tow that rang the doorbell. He answered and said, "Before you say a word or give me any of your literature, please come with me."
He took them into his living room and asked if they would join him in saying the pledge of allegiance to the flag. The did. He was surprised and figured they may be new missionaties, so he excused himself and returned with 2 forms. One was for them to sign up as blood donors and the other to sign up as organ donors.
They gladly signed both.
He was floored. He asked then, "So what did you want to talk to me about?"
"Avon," the first lady replied...........
Sure enough, Saturday morning, there were 2 ladies with a little boy in tow that rang the doorbell. He answered and said, "Before you say a word or give me any of your literature, please come with me."
He took them into his living room and asked if they would join him in saying the pledge of allegiance to the flag. The did. He was surprised and figured they may be new missionaties, so he excused himself and returned with 2 forms. One was for them to sign up as blood donors and the other to sign up as organ donors.
They gladly signed both.
He was floored. He asked then, "So what did you want to talk to me about?"
"Avon," the first lady replied...........
I love the Elders. I hate their religion, but then I hate Catholic doctrine, too, and I still invite my sister to my house and I love my Catholic aunt.
I guess God gives people a passion for what He wants them to do. James White has a passion for speaking the gospel of grace to Mormons. I was at White's website when I linked into here.
Are ya'all by any chance missing your chance to talk to one of the elect, because you drive them away instead of offering them a cold drink on a hot day? Without a doubt they are deceived, but they don't know it, and they are not devils who are knowingly trying to deceive you. You're not wrestling against flesh and blood. Your job is to set prisoners free by speaking the truth in love.
Please see Matthew 25:40 and Hebrews 13:2. My read on the NT is that we are to love people and show it, because you never know who is elect. You don't have to agree with them, but you can listen and then disagree.
Off to Oz with you! Get a heart!
What did Jesus do with centurions and such-like people?
I guess God gives people a passion for what He wants them to do. James White has a passion for speaking the gospel of grace to Mormons. I was at White's website when I linked into here.
Are ya'all by any chance missing your chance to talk to one of the elect, because you drive them away instead of offering them a cold drink on a hot day? Without a doubt they are deceived, but they don't know it, and they are not devils who are knowingly trying to deceive you. You're not wrestling against flesh and blood. Your job is to set prisoners free by speaking the truth in love.
Please see Matthew 25:40 and Hebrews 13:2. My read on the NT is that we are to love people and show it, because you never know who is elect. You don't have to agree with them, but you can listen and then disagree.
Off to Oz with you! Get a heart!
What did Jesus do with centurions and such-like people?
Preaching the gospel to a false teacher and recruiter for hell is more than a glass of water. It is being honest and straighforward.
No one here is advocating being mean. But the most [i:baf7385491]loving[/i:baf7385491] thing you can do is proclaim the TRUTH to them. The gospel, the Word of God, converts souls (Ps 19:7; Rom 1:16). It is the truth that sets men free.
I don't run them off by my behavior. They run away when they cannot answer the Word of God. And if they know you are informed and ready for them they don't come back. They are looking for easy prey, for a quick brownie point with God and the elders. When someone really knows what they believe and can defend the Scripture against their false doctrine they are usually not interested in further discussion.
So tell them the truth. That one time they are at your door may be the only time they hear the true gospel.
Phillip
No one here is advocating being mean. But the most [i:baf7385491]loving[/i:baf7385491] thing you can do is proclaim the TRUTH to them. The gospel, the Word of God, converts souls (Ps 19:7; Rom 1:16). It is the truth that sets men free.
I don't run them off by my behavior. They run away when they cannot answer the Word of God. And if they know you are informed and ready for them they don't come back. They are looking for easy prey, for a quick brownie point with God and the elders. When someone really knows what they believe and can defend the Scripture against their false doctrine they are usually not interested in further discussion.
So tell them the truth. That one time they are at your door may be the only time they hear the true gospel.
Phillip
Pastorway, they DO come back! When they haul out their Book of Mormon, I haul out my WCF and a Catholic Catechism. I don't recognize their Book of Mormon as authoritative, and they don't recognize my WCF as authoritative.
The Elders know they cannot convert me to their church. I'm fairly sure I will not convert them, either. So we get together for an exchange about the Scriptures. I tell them they can play "Stump the Calvinist" and I'll play "Stump the Elder."
We have a rollicking good argument. We establish that truth is absolute, and we get into epistemology. But they always COME BACK!
The Elders know they cannot convert me to their church. I'm fairly sure I will not convert them, either. So we get together for an exchange about the Scriptures. I tell them they can play "Stump the Calvinist" and I'll play "Stump the Elder."
We have a rollicking good argument. We establish that truth is absolute, and we get into epistemology. But they always COME BACK!
I've only actually had a couple return once. Then after these guys left a few months later a couple came and brought along one of the assistants to the Bishop (something like that, I don't recall his exact function). We've moved since then, but I'm betting any folks that happen to move into our old apartment probably won't be getting any visits. I figured the "assistant" was their big gun, but he hardly said anything except to tell me he was a former Roman Catholic.
I think it's gotten to the point where even the elders don't have a clue what their church teaches. One of the guys surprised me by requesting a Cherry Coke (!), and my pastor has confronted one who was a former Southern Baptist who for whatever reason had not really thought through (or maybe he REALLY didn't know) the implications of eternal progression.
I think they are simply looking for easy pickins around here. When they find out I know who Gordon Hinckley is their eyes widen, and when I mention Gospel Principles they really seem to get nervous. I questioned the ones that came back about their daily lives, and the fact they have to meet a quota keeps them jumping through hoops, and around here they are even forbidden to go eat dinner with the families of their congregation. So after their "sacrament" meeting they go off and knock on doors.
It's certainly a new breed of Mormonism, though no less heretical. I've wondered how they'd respond if I asked them, "So why should I believe you guys and not the RLDS down in Missouri?" :smilegrin:
I think it's gotten to the point where even the elders don't have a clue what their church teaches. One of the guys surprised me by requesting a Cherry Coke (!), and my pastor has confronted one who was a former Southern Baptist who for whatever reason had not really thought through (or maybe he REALLY didn't know) the implications of eternal progression.
I think they are simply looking for easy pickins around here. When they find out I know who Gordon Hinckley is their eyes widen, and when I mention Gospel Principles they really seem to get nervous. I questioned the ones that came back about their daily lives, and the fact they have to meet a quota keeps them jumping through hoops, and around here they are even forbidden to go eat dinner with the families of their congregation. So after their "sacrament" meeting they go off and knock on doors.
It's certainly a new breed of Mormonism, though no less heretical. I've wondered how they'd respond if I asked them, "So why should I believe you guys and not the RLDS down in Missouri?" :smilegrin:
Bernard_Marx
Puritan Board Freshman
I've found, generally speaking, that unlike JWs Mormons are unwilling to engage in any real debate about their beleifs. These beliefs are not founded upon any thought but find their basis in the "Burning of the Bosom" experience. Furthermore these missionaries are not taught to defend their religion but merely to administer the "6 discussions" with interested persons. If you show any sign of irritation or beligerence they'll probably ignore you. I suggest then to take time to get to know them as people and when it comes time for the rubber to hit the road to come across as kindly as possible. No "scripture sooht-outs" or anything.
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Back in my pentecostal days, when talking to a mormon missionary, I had the "Burning of the Bosom" experience. It "felt" just like the Holy Spirit: identicle. Thankfully, being the pentecostal that I was, I denounced it as a false spirit. But if I didn't know that the devil deceives as an angel of light, and did not have a strong foundation in the essential doctrines of Christianity, I might have fallen for it.
But nah, you gotta be completely ignorant to follow all that mess. But it is a real experience.
Rembrandt
Back in my pentecostal days, when talking to a mormon missionary, I had the "Burning of the Bosom" experience. It "felt" just like the Holy Spirit: identicle. Thankfully, being the pentecostal that I was, I denounced it as a false spirit. But if I didn't know that the devil deceives as an angel of light, and did not have a strong foundation in the essential doctrines of Christianity, I might have fallen for it.
But nah, you gotta be completely ignorant to follow all that mess. But it is a real experience.
Rembrandt
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