staythecourse
Puritan Board Junior
Matthew Henry says so but I always put him, Queen of Sheba and Ninevah in the same lot of merely being graced with the ability to recognize the greatness and authority of God. They saved?
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Matthew Henry says so but I always put him, Queen of Sheba and Ninevah in the same lot of merely being graced with the ability to recognize the greatness and authority of God. They saved?
I'm honored to have your counsel gentlemen.
All four of you place King Nebuchadnezzar in the book of life according to your studies. Your unity of mind with Christ is probably moreso than mine so I must continue to ask questions for my benefit.
Pastor Bruce, I answered the questions in my mind as you laid them out and the first is that we know God will fully humble all at judgment including Pharoah: "Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the father." Satan will, too.
Satan will not be saved but I see him making a similar statement to that of Nebuchadnezzar. In what way are they different and do they signify salvation for the King? Again, Satan will not be saved.
Forgive me trying to look more deeply into this differentiation between the two.
God Bless and have a good night.
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Dan 4:36 At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Dan 4:37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.
Psa 50:22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.
Psa 50:23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.
The notion, advocated by some, that Nebuchadnezzar's conversion was merely a personal humiliation and not a true change of heart, and that he is not in heaven today, is so preposterous that it would be a waste of time to try to refute it. Pg. 241
I'm honored to have your counsel gentlemen.
All four of you place King Nebuchadnezzar in the book of life according to your studies. Your unity of mind with Christ is probably moreso than mine so I must continue to ask questions for my benefit.
Pastor Bruce, I answered the questions in my mind as you laid them out and the first is that we know God will fully humble all at judgment including Pharoah: "Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the father." Satan will, too.
Satan will not be saved but I see him making a similar statement to that of Nebuchadnezzar. In what way are they different and do they signify salvation for the King? Again, Satan will not be saved.
Forgive me trying to look more deeply into this differentiation between the two.
God Bless and have a good night.
I'll just add that when every knee bows, it is at judgment. Rom 14:10-11. Satan is judged already. Nebuchadnezzar, like all men, has not yet faced judgment, yet he confessed God.
Just last night I was taken by the similarity between the last part of Daniel 4 and the last part of Psalm 50:
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Dan 4:36 At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Dan 4:37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.
Psa 50:22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.
Psa 50:23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.
It seems to me that King Neb. indeed praised God, glorified him, and ordered his conversation aright. He acknowledged God's sovereignty.
I think on such promises we can think he was shown salvation as well.
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
If he came to my church with his testimony from Dan 4, I would baptize him.
If he came to my church with his testimony from Dan 4, I would baptize him.
This brings up an interesting question. If Nebuchadnezzar was saved, why wasn't he circumcised and made a Jew? If this had happened today, he would have been baptized.
If he came to my church with his testimony from Dan 4, I would baptize him.
This brings up an interesting question. If Nebuchadnezzar was saved, why wasn't he circumcised and made a Jew? If this had happened today, he would have been baptized.
Did he pray the sinners prayer?
I agree! This man was HUMBLED! I find it noteworthy that the Book of Daniel sort of "moves on" to other matters, there is almost a feeling that there was some sense of a conclusion in regard to Neb. and the Living God.If Nebuchaddnezzar was not converted, then I don't know who has ever been saved.
I have Praised God with the words: All Praise and Glory to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I do not really find it odd, he made a connection to God via the witness and ministry of those men, it is in my mind a "separating" the true God, from the Pagan "gods".One thing I find odd from the text itself is where Nebuchadnezzar blesses God: Blessed, says he, be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego! Ask yourselves as believers do you bless the God of Sam, Bill, and Emma IF He is your God? Do you not find that strange language? Why does he not speak of Him as *** HIS *** God?
One thing I find odd from the text itself is where Nebuchadnezzar blesses God: Blessed, says he, be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego! Ask yourselves as believers do you bless the God of Sam, Bill, and Emma IF He is your God? Do you not find that strange language? Why does he not speak of Him as *** HIS *** God?
I have Praised God with the words: All Praise and Glory to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I do not really find it odd, he made a connection to God via the witness and ministry of those men, it is in my mind a "separating" the true God, from the Pagan "gods".