Jerusalem Blade
Puritan Board Professor
In the absence of the blogs of old where one could collect links to significant threads, I'd like to post here for reference some previous textual threads (I'll be doing the same for Baptism and misc material, and eschatology).
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Jerusalem Blade's textual posts (a partial compilation)
(7865 Views on the old blog)
I’ve been looking for and collecting these for a while, and am posting them as I recently said I would, for the benefit of those who would like to see a mostly irenic and scholarly presentation of the TR / AV position. I say “mostly irenic” as in some of my earlier postings I was less irenic than now. Irenic does not mean I am softening my position, but rather softening my heart toward dear brothers and sisters who differ with me in textual matters. Hanging out with IFB folks for a while before coming here to PB, I appreciated their bare-knuckled approach to the matter. But here I came into contact with scholarly and godly opponents who protested my approach, as it was their conviction – based upon conscience and scholarship – that they did possess a “legitimate” Bible in the CT versions. I myself address this in the “adequate vs. minute preservation” discussions, and agree with them.
My mature (& present) attitude can be found in the OP of the “Responding to James White of AOMIN” thread. There is coming a time when all sectors of the true church will be afflicted and persecuted, even in the U.S., and we shall need that cement which holds the house of living stones firm and steady while in tribulation: that cement is genuine friendship. While the foundation is Christ in Scripture, and the pillars are sound doctrine in godly churches, friendship in Christ holds it all together – holds us all together.
Bitter souls (whatever side they are on) who indulge in stereotyping, inflammatory slanderous remarks, holding opponents in contempt, not only violate the grace our Lord commands us to show one another (as He sustains us by His undeserved grace), they reveal dire illness of the soul, channeling an infernal root of bitterness that indeed defiles many. Some boards allow such; I hope this board does not allow it to continue, for it has made its mark here (and I’m sorry to say I have participated to some extent in it; I would alter some words of mine, but the threads and posts are locked, and not to be changed). So when you may see harsh words I may have spoken, know that I have repented of this bad attitude.
If we ever find ourselves hidden in a house together, with evil posses outside hunting for us, I want to be known as a friend among friends, all of us in the presence of our mighty Captain, and not as a flaming-tongued disturber of the peace.
Our opponents will sufficiently try our views of Scripture. It is now to them I will give my attention, starting with Ehrman (I am procuring some of his books to study them).
I may add to this list.
In Jesus’ wonderful name,
Steve
Jerusalem Blade’s posts: [click on spoiler to see]
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Jerusalem Blade's textual posts (a partial compilation)
(7865 Views on the old blog)
I’ve been looking for and collecting these for a while, and am posting them as I recently said I would, for the benefit of those who would like to see a mostly irenic and scholarly presentation of the TR / AV position. I say “mostly irenic” as in some of my earlier postings I was less irenic than now. Irenic does not mean I am softening my position, but rather softening my heart toward dear brothers and sisters who differ with me in textual matters. Hanging out with IFB folks for a while before coming here to PB, I appreciated their bare-knuckled approach to the matter. But here I came into contact with scholarly and godly opponents who protested my approach, as it was their conviction – based upon conscience and scholarship – that they did possess a “legitimate” Bible in the CT versions. I myself address this in the “adequate vs. minute preservation” discussions, and agree with them.
My mature (& present) attitude can be found in the OP of the “Responding to James White of AOMIN” thread. There is coming a time when all sectors of the true church will be afflicted and persecuted, even in the U.S., and we shall need that cement which holds the house of living stones firm and steady while in tribulation: that cement is genuine friendship. While the foundation is Christ in Scripture, and the pillars are sound doctrine in godly churches, friendship in Christ holds it all together – holds us all together.
Bitter souls (whatever side they are on) who indulge in stereotyping, inflammatory slanderous remarks, holding opponents in contempt, not only violate the grace our Lord commands us to show one another (as He sustains us by His undeserved grace), they reveal dire illness of the soul, channeling an infernal root of bitterness that indeed defiles many. Some boards allow such; I hope this board does not allow it to continue, for it has made its mark here (and I’m sorry to say I have participated to some extent in it; I would alter some words of mine, but the threads and posts are locked, and not to be changed). So when you may see harsh words I may have spoken, know that I have repented of this bad attitude.
If we ever find ourselves hidden in a house together, with evil posses outside hunting for us, I want to be known as a friend among friends, all of us in the presence of our mighty Captain, and not as a flaming-tongued disturber of the peace.
Our opponents will sufficiently try our views of Scripture. It is now to them I will give my attention, starting with Ehrman (I am procuring some of his books to study them).
I may add to this list.
In Jesus’ wonderful name,
Steve
Jerusalem Blade’s posts: [click on spoiler to see]
Ecclesiastical Text — Response to James White [August 2015]
A Majority Text pastor interacting with James White on a Youtube video, and I—starting in posts #45 & 46—also interacting with some of James' statements concerning the AV / TR, continuing the responses in posts #76 and down. James had said, “[Rev 16:5, Luke 2:22], Eph 1:18, Eph 3:9, 2 Tim 2:19. These are places the TR reading is basically indefensible.” So I defend them.
Answering Alan Kurschner of aomin thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/answ...39/#post304894
Hort on early Byz majority: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/answ...39/#post307360
Borland essay; Lake, allegation Alexandrian text majority examined: ibid
W&H text not the same as CT/ET per White: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/answ...39/#post306418
Responding to James White of AOMIN thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/resp...e-aomin-44382/
Johannine Comma thread
Nolan on : http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/joha...81/#post465749
Minute vs. adequate preservation: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/joha...tml#post467490
Pickering on the early history of the text: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/joha...tml#post467493
Holland on : http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/joha...tml#post468225
Skepticism and doubt toward the Bible thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/skep...d-bible-52046/
Verse differences
(25 posts of mine in thread); partly on Erasmus and his place in the process of preservation, partly on his spiritual status, then further on who is faithful to the Reformation in their views? Free-wheeling.
How did the Bible come to be?
A simple, basic explanation
Letis on Inerrancy, and Warfield
Dr. Theodore Letis' essay, "B.B. Warfield, Common-Sense Philosophy and Biblical Criticism" (on Scribd). [The essays of Letis I post on Scribd I have done with the publisher’s permission, or recommendation.]
Theodore Beza as Text Critic, by Ted Letis
Two scanned essays (on Scribd): Dr. Ted Letis, “Theodore Beza as Text Critic: A View Into the Sixteenth Century Approach to New Testament Text Criticism”, from Letis’ book, The Majority Text: Essays and Reviews in the Continuing Debate
and, (almost entire) "Theodore P. Letis on John Owen Versus Brian Walton: A Reformed Response to the Birth of Text Criticism"
By Dr. / Rev. Paul Ferguson: The historic views of the Church concerning Preservation, Paul F.doc [click for download]
This KJVO article has ruined the ESV for me :-( thread
7 posts in this thread starting here: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/kjvo...tml#post947766
LXX Discussion thread
Many issues concerning the Septuagint.
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/lxx-discussion-54112/
Do NT authors quote the LXX? thread
Further consideration of Septuagint issues.
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/do-n...ote-lxx-55489/
On Will Kinney’s method (defense of), my views on textual stuff, etc.
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/1-sa...34/#post813056
Problems with the modern text-critical approach and the ESV
I really tried to stay out of this fray, being so busy, but entered it to defend the Bible I and others hold so dear – and ended up with 14 posts in it.
KJV vs. NKJV
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/KJV-vs-NKJV-81000/
(20 posts all told; first post in #7, but then from #65 on)
KJV / Byz / TR Resources thread
[I will be making corrections in this post - and it will reappear shortly]
The above link contains many resources, online and hardcopy. I want to stress: online resources sometimes go defunct. Download as much as you are able while they exist. For example, Will Kinney's superb KJV Articles page has moved: Kinney's new website. These studies are not "expendable", but essential. Download the lot while you can!
Hebrew Vowel Points in Question thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/hebr...25/#post748042 (My posts are #22 and #24)
Not In Early Manuscript--Good or Bad? thread
"Phantom Manuscripts"? thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/phan...51/#post262198
WCF and CT thread
Extended quote of Letis on Warfield and WCF : http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/wcf-...tml#post510367
and: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/wcf-...tml#post509179
Burgon on : http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/wcf-...tml#post509871
A summing up: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/wcf-...tml#post513835
KJV-Only Versus Byzantine Superiority thread
Burgon on : http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/KJV-...tml#post270927
Textual Manuscripts thread
Lane vs. Steve on Alexandrian/W&H (& Asa – Amon): http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/text...scripts-27898/
What is the authentic New Testament text? thread: (A partial list of contents in the OP)
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/what...34/#post194921
Quoting Letis’ essay responding to D.A. Carson: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/what...34/#post199947
CONCERNING ERASMUS (Coats, Cloud, etc): http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/what...34/#post196909
Letis / Borland on Asa and Amon (Matt 1:7, 10 ESV): http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/what...34/#post197418
Kirsopp Lake, “It is hard to resist the conclusion that the scribes usually destroyed their exemplars when they had copied the sacred books.”: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/what...34/#post198366
From Dr. Peter Van Kleeck's essay, "The Genius of Ambiguity", on the authenticity of the AV's rendering of ,7: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/what...34/#post196640
Do Many Scholars Prefer the Majority Text? thread
Byz priority: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/do-m...89/#post302411
TTer gone CTer thread (many posts)
Warfield assertion countered by Lake: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/tter...56/#post219226
History of the KJV and TR thread
Owen on variants (from Letis): http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/hist...tml#post243016
A History Of The Authorized Version thread
Extended discussion of the Septuagint starting at post #40: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/hist...73/#post389900
Beelzebub or Beelzebul? thread (see post #9 ff.)
Byzantine readings of Paul thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/byza...gs-Paul-32992/
Pickering and Robinson on “no early Byz mss”: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/byza...92/#post409938
Do textual variants give us confidence? thread
Some posts on the OT text: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/do-t...88/#post277212
Verses omitted from the ESV thread
Extensive Nolan quote: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/vers...12/#post303785
Linguistic Superiority between Geneva and KJV? thread
Links to “Easter” discussions in KJV: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/ling...75/#post343707
2015 thread on Easter
Steve starting in post #9: http://www.puritanboard.com/showthre...able?p=1083686
Pascha in thread (re “Easter”) thread
Steve’s input starting in post #10: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/pasc...-12-4-a-46832/
Defending the Lord's Prayer 1 thread (Matt 6)
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/defe...74/#post339309
Defending the Lord's Prayer 2 thread (Luke 11)
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/defe...79/#post339338
On Gathering Intelligence and Evidence thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/gath...vidence-14440/
Why do KJ Only types believe the Westcott and Hort manuscripts are bad? thread (my first post #14)
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/why-...pts-bad-14539/
pierced/like a lion...need Hebrew help thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/pier...07/#post204555
NASB / ESV Revisions?? thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/NASB...97/#post207878
THE ASCENDANCY OF THE CRITICAL TEXT thread (bare-knuckled poem)
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/asce...al-text-15711/
On Enoch in Jude thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/Peter-enns-blog-35587/
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/hist...tml#post391843
Colossians 1:14 thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/colo...-1-14-a-28457/
Did Lazarus write the Gospel of John? thread (starting at post #18)
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/did-...el-john-31034/
The Occult in the late 19th, early 20th centuries
http://www.puritanboard.com/f64/occu...nturies-34386/
Inspired in Teachings Only? thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/insp...gs-only-35364/
Biblical Preservation thread (RE: Tischendorf rescued [Codex Sinaiticus] from a waste basket)
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/bibl...39/#post223739
Mark 16:12 thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f44/mark-16-12-a-20445/
John 7:53-8:11 thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/john-7-53-8-11-a-25089/
King James Only Movement thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/king...ovement-36217/
Verbal Plenary Preservation thread
Discussion of Reformation texts: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/verb...rvation-21765/
Arians in power for 50 years in Greek empire: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/verb...65/#post273656
Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1, and Granville Sharp thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/titu...e-sharp-18634/
Farstad & Hodges Vs. Robinson & Pierpont thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/fars...ierpont-49200/
The merits of the A.V. thread
On Bruce Metzger: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/meri...05/#post214595
AV Theology Compared to Modern Versions thread
Dr. Vance Smith (Unitarian) on the 1881 Revisers effect on doctrines of the NT (see post #46)
KJV ... this FREEDOM? thread
Only Perfect Translation? thread
I joined this discussion at post #45.
A Majority Text pastor interacting with James White on a Youtube video, and I—starting in posts #45 & 46—also interacting with some of James' statements concerning the AV / TR, continuing the responses in posts #76 and down. James had said, “[Rev 16:5, Luke 2:22], Eph 1:18, Eph 3:9, 2 Tim 2:19. These are places the TR reading is basically indefensible.” So I defend them.
Answering Alan Kurschner of aomin thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/answ...39/#post304894
Hort on early Byz majority: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/answ...39/#post307360
Borland essay; Lake, allegation Alexandrian text majority examined: ibid
W&H text not the same as CT/ET per White: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/answ...39/#post306418
Responding to James White of AOMIN thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/resp...e-aomin-44382/
Johannine Comma thread
Nolan on : http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/joha...81/#post465749
Minute vs. adequate preservation: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/joha...tml#post467490
Pickering on the early history of the text: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/joha...tml#post467493
Holland on : http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/joha...tml#post468225
Skepticism and doubt toward the Bible thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/skep...d-bible-52046/
Verse differences
(25 posts of mine in thread); partly on Erasmus and his place in the process of preservation, partly on his spiritual status, then further on who is faithful to the Reformation in their views? Free-wheeling.
How did the Bible come to be?
A simple, basic explanation
Letis on Inerrancy, and Warfield
Dr. Theodore Letis' essay, "B.B. Warfield, Common-Sense Philosophy and Biblical Criticism" (on Scribd). [The essays of Letis I post on Scribd I have done with the publisher’s permission, or recommendation.]
Theodore Beza as Text Critic, by Ted Letis
Two scanned essays (on Scribd): Dr. Ted Letis, “Theodore Beza as Text Critic: A View Into the Sixteenth Century Approach to New Testament Text Criticism”, from Letis’ book, The Majority Text: Essays and Reviews in the Continuing Debate
and, (almost entire) "Theodore P. Letis on John Owen Versus Brian Walton: A Reformed Response to the Birth of Text Criticism"
By Dr. / Rev. Paul Ferguson: The historic views of the Church concerning Preservation, Paul F.doc [click for download]
This KJVO article has ruined the ESV for me :-( thread
7 posts in this thread starting here: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/kjvo...tml#post947766
LXX Discussion thread
Many issues concerning the Septuagint.
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/lxx-discussion-54112/
Do NT authors quote the LXX? thread
Further consideration of Septuagint issues.
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/do-n...ote-lxx-55489/
On Will Kinney’s method (defense of), my views on textual stuff, etc.
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/1-sa...34/#post813056
Problems with the modern text-critical approach and the ESV
I really tried to stay out of this fray, being so busy, but entered it to defend the Bible I and others hold so dear – and ended up with 14 posts in it.
KJV vs. NKJV
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/KJV-vs-NKJV-81000/
(20 posts all told; first post in #7, but then from #65 on)
KJV / Byz / TR Resources thread
[I will be making corrections in this post - and it will reappear shortly]
The above link contains many resources, online and hardcopy. I want to stress: online resources sometimes go defunct. Download as much as you are able while they exist. For example, Will Kinney's superb KJV Articles page has moved: Kinney's new website. These studies are not "expendable", but essential. Download the lot while you can!
Hebrew Vowel Points in Question thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/hebr...25/#post748042 (My posts are #22 and #24)
Not In Early Manuscript--Good or Bad? thread
"Phantom Manuscripts"? thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/phan...51/#post262198
WCF and CT thread
Extended quote of Letis on Warfield and WCF : http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/wcf-...tml#post510367
and: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/wcf-...tml#post509179
Burgon on : http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/wcf-...tml#post509871
A summing up: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/wcf-...tml#post513835
KJV-Only Versus Byzantine Superiority thread
Burgon on : http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/KJV-...tml#post270927
Textual Manuscripts thread
Lane vs. Steve on Alexandrian/W&H (& Asa – Amon): http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/text...scripts-27898/
What is the authentic New Testament text? thread: (A partial list of contents in the OP)
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/what...34/#post194921
Quoting Letis’ essay responding to D.A. Carson: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/what...34/#post199947
CONCERNING ERASMUS (Coats, Cloud, etc): http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/what...34/#post196909
Letis / Borland on Asa and Amon (Matt 1:7, 10 ESV): http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/what...34/#post197418
Kirsopp Lake, “It is hard to resist the conclusion that the scribes usually destroyed their exemplars when they had copied the sacred books.”: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/what...34/#post198366
From Dr. Peter Van Kleeck's essay, "The Genius of Ambiguity", on the authenticity of the AV's rendering of ,7: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/what...34/#post196640
Do Many Scholars Prefer the Majority Text? thread
Byz priority: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/do-m...89/#post302411
TTer gone CTer thread (many posts)
Warfield assertion countered by Lake: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/tter...56/#post219226
History of the KJV and TR thread
Owen on variants (from Letis): http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/hist...tml#post243016
A History Of The Authorized Version thread
Extended discussion of the Septuagint starting at post #40: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/hist...73/#post389900
Beelzebub or Beelzebul? thread (see post #9 ff.)
Byzantine readings of Paul thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/byza...gs-Paul-32992/
Pickering and Robinson on “no early Byz mss”: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/byza...92/#post409938
Do textual variants give us confidence? thread
Some posts on the OT text: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/do-t...88/#post277212
Verses omitted from the ESV thread
Extensive Nolan quote: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/vers...12/#post303785
Linguistic Superiority between Geneva and KJV? thread
Links to “Easter” discussions in KJV: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/ling...75/#post343707
2015 thread on Easter
Steve starting in post #9: http://www.puritanboard.com/showthre...able?p=1083686
Pascha in thread (re “Easter”) thread
Steve’s input starting in post #10: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/pasc...-12-4-a-46832/
Defending the Lord's Prayer 1 thread (Matt 6)
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/defe...74/#post339309
Defending the Lord's Prayer 2 thread (Luke 11)
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/defe...79/#post339338
On Gathering Intelligence and Evidence thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/gath...vidence-14440/
Why do KJ Only types believe the Westcott and Hort manuscripts are bad? thread (my first post #14)
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/why-...pts-bad-14539/
pierced/like a lion...need Hebrew help thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/pier...07/#post204555
NASB / ESV Revisions?? thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/NASB...97/#post207878
THE ASCENDANCY OF THE CRITICAL TEXT thread (bare-knuckled poem)
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/asce...al-text-15711/
On Enoch in Jude thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/Peter-enns-blog-35587/
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/hist...tml#post391843
Colossians 1:14 thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/colo...-1-14-a-28457/
Did Lazarus write the Gospel of John? thread (starting at post #18)
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/did-...el-john-31034/
The Occult in the late 19th, early 20th centuries
http://www.puritanboard.com/f64/occu...nturies-34386/
Inspired in Teachings Only? thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/insp...gs-only-35364/
Biblical Preservation thread (RE: Tischendorf rescued [Codex Sinaiticus] from a waste basket)
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/bibl...39/#post223739
Mark 16:12 thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f44/mark-16-12-a-20445/
John 7:53-8:11 thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/john-7-53-8-11-a-25089/
King James Only Movement thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/king...ovement-36217/
Verbal Plenary Preservation thread
Discussion of Reformation texts: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/verb...rvation-21765/
Arians in power for 50 years in Greek empire: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/verb...65/#post273656
Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1, and Granville Sharp thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/titu...e-sharp-18634/
Farstad & Hodges Vs. Robinson & Pierpont thread
http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/fars...ierpont-49200/
The merits of the A.V. thread
On Bruce Metzger: http://www.puritanboard.com/f63/meri...05/#post214595
AV Theology Compared to Modern Versions thread
Dr. Vance Smith (Unitarian) on the 1881 Revisers effect on doctrines of the NT (see post #46)
KJV ... this FREEDOM? thread
Only Perfect Translation? thread
I joined this discussion at post #45.
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