PCA and Looming Liberalism?

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How serious is the threat of liberalism and cultural marxism taking root in the PCA? Dr. James White commented on the fact that 40% of the PCA General Assembly at one point refused to adopt the Nashville Statement, which he saw as a sign that "identity politics" and cultural marxism have already started placing their roots into the PCA, especially with the younger generation.
 
How serious is the threat of liberalism and cultural marxism taking root in the PCA? Dr. James White commented on the fact that 40% of the PCA General Assembly at one point refused to adopt the Nashville Statement, which he saw as a sign that "identity politics" and cultural marxism have already started placing their roots into the PCA, especially with the younger generation.
I suspect that some that voted against it simply thought that the Westminster Standards already sufficiently address the requirements of the seventh commandment. It seems unlikely to me that 40% of the PCA is pro-homosexual.
 
Just want to point out one can admit a statement has good points without wanting to adopt it. For example, the G3/Strachan/Grace Baptist Theological Seminary did the Danvers statement, or were heavily involved with it. While I might agree with some of its teachings, I would be reticent to adopt it as a denomination.
 
How serious is the threat of liberalism and cultural marxism taking root in the PCA? Dr. James White commented on the fact that 40% of the PCA General Assembly at one point refused to adopt the Nashville Statement, which he saw as a sign that "identity politics" and cultural marxism have already started placing their roots into the PCA, especially with the younger generation.
It's sort of a late question to be asking about an Overture from 2019 in which around 40% of GA commissioners present failed to vote in the affirmative to commend the Nashville statement as Biblically faithful.

The reason the Overture was put up had to do with a controversy beginning in 2018 with the first Revoice Conference at Memorial Pres in Saint Louis. It's too complicated to review all the concerns but it also coincided with Greg Johnson telling everyone he was gay. Except that he claimed he never really he said he was gay. Except that he would talk in ways that made the world think he was gay. Except that he would do the common double-speak of the Missional crowd and said that he was only speaking in a "missiologiacl" fashion.

The 2020 GA was canceled due to COVID, but the 2021 GA was called, by some, the "pitchfork" Assembly.

You have to understand that progressives are rarely in the majority, but the greatest enemy to the Church is often the "sweetness and light" moderate who is persuadable and follows the seemingly "nice" person.

The "Kellerith/Missional" movement had been in some ascendancy prior to this point. It had forced through a Women's Study Committee through a back door process in 2018 and an Overture changed the rules of assembly operations to allow that to happen again in reaction.

Greg Johnson has proved to be the undoing (so far) of over a decade of the Cultrualist wing to the PCA being in a slight majority at GA. As I said, 2021 led to the adoption of Overtures trying to address and stem the tide of Side B theology. In fact, at the same 2019 Assembly where Johnson made his tear-felt speech about having no one to receive his cremated ashes when he died (because he was gay, but not gay and could never marry because he was gay and not gay). The PCA erected a Study Committee on human sexuality that (surprise!) reiterated that our Standards (and by extension the Scriptures) are completely antithetical to the idea of Side B Christianity. Keller was one of the members of that committee, but I think a lot of the sharp theological baggage was carried by Kevin DeYoung.

Anyway, what you have to understand about the Missional crowd is that you could say that they didn't really understand our Standards very well as much as they understood how to be Missional in the sense of thinking they were doing theology in conversation with the culture. Many did not realize, for instance, that our internal temptations that arise form our corruption are sin.

I think what happened subsequently is that it woke up a lot of moderates and also caused a lot of RE's to show up to the Assembly. This meant that conservative voting has dominated the last 3 GA's It has changed the composition not only of committees of commissioners but the permanent committees. The most dominant progressive organizing voting blocs have all but dissolved, with the leader of the National Partnership having recently disgraced himself with fraud and other public sins.

So, does that mean that things will all just go well for the PCA? Not necessarily. It requires vigilance. Johnson saw to it that many of the power blocks are in tatters but it requires that Churches continue to care enough to send men to Presbytery and GA. The good news is that some Missional hotspots are in big trouble in terms of numbers and success.
 
BTW, look at the last few moderators of GA to see that the Progressives no longer dominate the vote. Fred Greco is no liberal.
 
BTW, look at the last few moderators of GA to see that the Progressives no longer dominate the vote. Fred Greco is no liberal.
Right. It has also been well over 5 years since the critical theorist was moderator, Alexander Something.
 
This is familiar. I think PCA seems to be doing well.

There was a survey recently among all denominations that asked for views on abortion and something like 51% of PCA supported "right to abortion" but they quickly found out that most PC(USA) respondents were just that clueless about the official name of their own denomination.

EDIT: 54% not 51%
 
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It was a NYTimes opinion piece on "How do Christians Fit into the Two-party System?" That was the survey I am remembering.
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Incidentally, this just goes to show that Cho, who has excoriated PCA conservatives, thought he was with one of the "good guys", but can't piece together the reality that it is the Culturalists who have repeatedly shown themselves to be the problem. When you are stuck on the idea that conservative "Western" ideas are the problem with the Church, you assume that the conservatives are those who color outside the lines. The reality is that the Missional are the leaders who repeatedly flaunt not only the Standards but the BCO's process.
 
I'm not sure which church he was part of that dissolved, but is he really a credible witness? He has a long history of being a grievance warrior and his views on race and intersectionality are so aberrant that I'd have trouble taking anything he says at face value.
 
I'm not sure which church he was part of that dissolved, but is he really a credible witness? He has a long history of being a grievance warrior and his views on race and intersectionality are so aberrant that I'd have trouble taking anything he says at face value.
It's not that hard to figure out what Church Cho was part of.
 
It's sort of a late question to be asking about an Overture from 2019 in which around 40% of GA commissioners present failed to vote in the affirmative to commend the Nashville statement as Biblically faithful.

The reason the Overture was put up had to do with a controversy beginning in 2018 with the first Revoice Conference at Memorial Pres in Saint Louis. It's too complicated to review all the concerns but it also coincided with Greg Johnson telling everyone he was gay. Except that he claimed he never really he said he was gay. Except that he would talk in ways that made the world think he was gay. Except that he would do the common double-speak of the Missional crowd and said that he was only speaking in a "missiologiacl" fashion.

The 2020 GA was canceled due to COVID, but the 2021 GA was called, by some, the "pitchfork" Assembly.

You have to understand that progressives are rarely in the majority, but the greatest enemy to the Church is often the "sweetness and light" moderate who is persuadable and follows the seemingly "nice" person.

The "Kellerith/Missional" movement had been in some ascendancy prior to this point. It had forced through a Women's Study Committee through a back door process in 2018 and an Overture changed the rules of assembly operations to allow that to happen again in reaction.

Greg Johnson has proved to be the undoing (so far) of over a decade of the Cultrualist wing to the PCA being in a slight majority at GA. As I said, 2021 led to the adoption of Overtures trying to address and stem the tide of Side B theology. In fact, at the same 2019 Assembly where Johnson made his tear-felt speech about having no one to receive his cremated ashes when he died (because he was gay, but not gay and could never marry because he was gay and not gay). The PCA erected a Study Committee on human sexuality that (surprise!) reiterated that our Standards (and by extension the Scriptures) are completely antithetical to the idea of Side B Christianity. Keller was one of the members of that committee, but I think a lot of the sharp theological baggage was carried by Kevin DeYoung.

Anyway, what you have to understand about the Missional crowd is that you could say that they didn't really understand our Standards very well as much as they understood how to be Missional in the sense of thinking they were doing theology in conversation with the culture. Many did not realize, for instance, that our internal temptations that arise form our corruption are sin.

I think what happened subsequently is that it woke up a lot of moderates and also caused a lot of RE's to show up to the Assembly. This meant that conservative voting has dominated the last 3 GA's It has changed the composition not only of committees of commissioners but the permanent committees. The most dominant progressive organizing voting blocs have all but dissolved, with the leader of the National Partnership having recently disgraced himself with fraud and other public sins.

So, does that mean that things will all just go well for the PCA? Not necessarily. It requires vigilance. Johnson saw to it that many of the power blocks are in tatters but it requires that Churches continue to care enough to send men to Presbytery and GA. The good news is that some Missional hotspots are in big trouble in terms of numbers and success.
Excellent summary. Thanks! I recall hearing someone lament that the moderates allowed the progressives to prevail in the post 1890s mainline Northern church.
 
I'm not sure which church he was part of that dissolved, but is he really a credible witness? He has a long history of being a grievance warrior and his views on race and intersectionality are so aberrant that I'd have trouble taking anything he says at face value.
Well, as to credibility, consider he is “bearing witness” against his own “side”. Yes, he bashes the PCA systemically, but his ire is nevertheless against his “own”.
 
Well, as to credibility, consider he is “bearing witness” against his own “side”. Yes, he bashes the PCA systemically, but his ire is nevertheless against his “own”.
Exactly, Cho helped his former Pastor organize the Beautiful Orthodoxy conference. The National Partnership was founded in reaction to the "alarm" that the 2012 GA had approved an Overture to go to the Presbyteries, making clear that intinction was not allowed. That, for the progressives, was evidence that the "fundamentalists" needed to be stopped. Winsome missionalism was what the PCA needed.

His is the 3rd or 4th Church that has crumbled because the "winsome" proponents tend to be clericalists who need to impose their vision of a better Church whether or not the Elders are on board. When you're on God's side, you don't need the checks and balances of Presbyterianism. Don't like that the PCA refused to ordain women as deacons? Just refuse to ordain anyone in that office. You're on God's side.
 
It is a thing that many proponents, explicitly, of “winsomeness” seem to lack it in the machinery of their operations. Adjacent to “winsomeness” that is the breathless chatter about “humility.”
 
Where things get better in the PCA are at the points that places, events, statements, sessions and sermons that seek to be clear. Bafflegab is rejected and replaced by clear, respectful pressure for the truth. This is the most thorough and compassionate way to confront error and sin. Bloviating drivel about how this or that supposed blindspot in the church towards these or those categories of people means that sin should not be confronted, repented of, and mortified by ALL is wicked. The universal identity of fallenness has a way of crushing “thee but not me“ identitarianism.
 
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