Poll About Northerners (Re: Poll About Southerners)

[Hamalas]

I think that we should regard Maryland, (at least historically mind you) as a border state with STRONG Southern leanings. Lincoln had to march his invading army around Baltimore and not through it. Otherwise the citizens would have torn them to shreds and driven them out of town! In my (humble) opinion, the only reason that Maryland did not join the Cause was because of federal intervention into their affairs. Imprisoning the leaders of the secession movement in that state and throwing critical journalists into jail.

Well, Lee, on his invasion of Yankee territory, hoped to get the natives to rally to him by having his men sing, 'Maryland, my Maryland' as they marched through the state. It didn't work, so I suspect the southron leanings are not as deep as you've stated.

Theognome

True, however my main point is that it should really be viewed as a border state. It's note quite as northern as many would like to claim. Why you can even see the depth of their Southern leanings in their state song:

I
The despot's heel is on thy shore,
Maryland!
His torch is at thy temple door,
Maryland!
Avenge the patriotic gore
That flecked the streets of Baltimore,
And be the battle queen of yore,
Maryland! My Maryland!

II
Hark to an exiled son's appeal,
Maryland!
My mother State! to thee I kneel,
Maryland!
For life and death, for woe and weal,
Thy peerless chivalry reveal,
And gird they beauteous limbs with steel,
Maryland! My Maryland!

III
Thou wilt not cower in the dust,
Maryland!
Thy beaming sword shall never rust,
Maryland!
Remember Carroll's sacred trust,
Remember Howard's warlike thrust,-
And all thy slumberers with the just,
Maryland! My Maryland!

IV
Come! 'tis the red dawn of the day,
Maryland!
Come with thy panoplied array,
Maryland!
With Ringgold's spirit for the fray,
With Watson's blood at Monterey,
With fearless Lowe and dashing May,
Maryland! My Maryland!

V
Come! for thy shield is bright and strong,
Maryland!
Come! for thy dalliance does thee wrong,
Maryland!
Come to thine own anointed throng,
Stalking with Liberty along,
And chaunt thy dauntless slogan song,
Maryland! My Maryland!


VI
Dear Mother! burst the tyrant's chain,
Maryland!
Virginia should not call in vain,
Maryland!
She meets her sisters on the plain-
"Sic semper!" 'tis the proud refrain
That baffles minions back again,
Maryland!
Arise in majesty again,
Maryland! My Maryland!

VII
I see the blush upon thy cheek,
Maryland!
For thou wast ever bravely meek,
Maryland!
But lo! there surges forth a shriek,
From hill to hill, from creek to creek-
Potomac calls to Chesapeake,
Maryland! My Maryland!

VIII
Thou wilt not yield the Vandal toll,
Maryland!
Thou wilt not crook to his control,
Maryland!
Better the fire upon thee roll, Better the blade, the shot, the bowl,
Than crucifixion of the soul,
Maryland! My Maryland!

IX
I hear the distant thunder-hum,
Maryland!
The Old Line's bugle, fife, and drum,
Maryland!
She is not dead, nor deaf, nor dumb-
Huzza! she spurns the Northern scum!
She breathes! she burns! she'll come! she'll come!
Maryland! My Maryland!

 

[Theognome]

Leave it to someone from Maryland to be arrogant enough to think that because he has come to conclusions based on his own preconceived misconceptions that his "nuff said" is "enough said." Also, to be so misinformed as to think that Mississippi has ever given out high school diplomas before the sixth grade lol is preposterous. Of course, we Mississippians learn words like "preposterous" in the first grade.

This opens up a topic for a whole new thread- 'quotes and expressions used by Yankees that other, more civilized folk would never use in mixed company.'

Theognome

I thought Southerners prided themselves on being less civilized then everyone else?

A common error. Southroners are rather the standard of civilization. However, in the spirit of fostering goodwill towards brethren with the misfortune of having their corpus in the wrong locality, they allow such misconceptions to exist in order that those misplaced brethren will not feel excluded from God's grace.

Theognome

 

[kalawine]

Leave it to someone from Maryland to be arrogant enough to think that because he has come to conclusions based on his own preconceived misconceptions that his "nuff said" is "enough said." Also, to be so misinformed as to think that Mississippi has ever given out high school diplomas before the sixth grade lol is preposterous. Of course, we Mississippians learn words like "preposterous" in the first grade.

This opens up a topic for a whole new thread- 'quotes and expressions used by Yankees that other, more civilized folk would never use in mixed company.'

Theognome

I thought Southerners prided themselves on being less civilized then everyone else?

Ian... you need to stop getting your info from TV and movies. I personally know know several Phd's. Three in my Church. Also, I don't know a Klansman or a sheriff who puts Yankees in jail because "You ain't from around these parts are you boy?"

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By Christians, do you mean truly saved believers or nominal Christians? If you count everyone who calls themselves a Christian, then it's 100% easier in the South. If you count only truly believers with an actual faith, the difference isn't that great....

I know this thread is just for fun, but having been a pastor in the South for almost 8 years now, Mason is spot on with this comment. Almost "everyone" down South is a "Christian."

I understand what you are saying and I've said it many times myself. But I do believe you could say the same thing about most every place under the sun.

As Bill has said, "If I may interject- Those numbers only demonstrate an equal distribution of sinners, and does not in of itself indicate which ones are saved by Grace."

 

[ServantofGod]

This opens up a topic for a whole new thread- 'quotes and expressions used by Yankees that other, more civilized folk would never use in mixed company.'

Theognome

I thought Southerners prided themselves on being less civilized then everyone else?

A common error. Southroners are rather the standard of civilization. However, in the spirit of fostering goodwill towards brethren with the misfortune of having their corpus in the wrong locality, they allow such misconceptions to exist in order that those misplaced brethren will not feel excluded from God's grace.

Theognome

So I'm supposed to leave the old Buick, parked in the front lawn, and the John Deere next to the mailbox thats swinging from a rope tied to the tree with all the shotgun pellet holes in it?

 

[Hamalas]

Remember grace brothers! Many may not have any exposure to the South except in a second or third hand way. (And I'd wager that many of us Southerns foster misconceptions about the North as well.) Let's keep in mind that we should deal with individuals not only with broad generalizations.

 

[Theognome]

I thought Southerners prided themselves on being less civilized then everyone else?

A common error. Southroners are rather the standard of civilization. However, in the spirit of fostering goodwill towards brethren with the misfortune of having their corpus in the wrong locality, they allow such misconceptions to exist in order that those misplaced brethren will not feel excluded from God's grace.

Theognome

So I'm supposed to leave the old Buick, parked in the front lawn, and the John Deere next to the mailbox thats swinging from a rope tied to the tree with all the shotgun pellet holes in it?

If that's how you wish to decorate, it only proves the point. You are, of course, not excluded from His grace. I have seen the very thing you described- in Falconer, New York.

Theognome

 

[Hamalas]

 

[ServantofGod]

A common error. Southroners are rather the standard of civilization. However, in the spirit of fostering goodwill towards brethren with the misfortune of having their corpus in the wrong locality, they allow such misconceptions to exist in order that those misplaced brethren will not feel excluded from God's grace.

Theognome

So I'm supposed to leave the old Buick, parked in the front lawn, and the John Deere next to the mailbox thats swinging from a rope tied to the tree with all the shotgun pellet holes in it?

If that's how you wish to decorate, it only proves the point. You are, of course, not excluded from His grace. I have seen the very thing you described- in Falconer, New York.

Theognome

Truly. And in Pennsylvania surely His grace is needed!

 

[ManleyBeasley]

I think that we should regard Maryland, (at least historically mind you) as a border state with STRONG Southern leanings. Lincoln had to march his invading army around Baltimore and not through it. Otherwise the citizens would have torn them to shreds and driven them out of town! In my (humble) opinion, the only reason that Maryland did not join the Cause was because of federal intervention into their affairs. Imprisoning the leaders of the secession movement in that state and throwing critical journalists into jail.

We Texans consider Virginians to be Yanks so don't even think about Maryland!

 

[Michael Doyle]

I consider Wisconsin, being we are right on the mason-dixon, to be predominately southern.

I actually stayed in Jackson Tennessee and Atlanta for several months last year for work and I am now, self proclaimed of course, honorary southern.

 

[Timothy William]

To those of us who live in the right hemisphere, all Americans are Northerners.

 

[ReformedWretch]

As a Northerner you all have to see where I am from to realize the silliness of such polls. I live in rural central Pennsylvania and I promise you that it's like living in Alabama much of the time (except the sports teams people like). I'm convinced that many Southerners migrated up here sometime around (before or after) the civil war.

A traveling salesman once told my brother

"This area is so strange. The areas between Philadelphia/Harrisburg and Pittsburgh is like the rural south. People even have accents. It's like you go from Pennsylvania to Georgia or Alabama in the several hours between Harrisburg and Pittsburgh."

I laughed when my brother told me this because having visited the South several times it's so very much true. The accents, guns, food, clothing, personalities, etc. are all Southern in the Counties in my area (Bedford, Huntingdon, Fulton, Franklin, etc.)

 

[ColdSilverMoon]

By Christians, do you mean truly saved believers or nominal Christians? If you count everyone who calls themselves a Christian, then it's 100% easier in the South. If you count only truly believers with an actual faith, the difference isn't that great....

I know this thread is just for fun, but having been a pastor in the South for almost 8 years now, Mason is spot on with this comment. Almost "everyone" down South is a "Christian."

I understand what you are saying and I've said it many times myself. But I do believe you could say the same thing about most every place under the sun.

I know this thread is all in good fun, but I'd have to disagree with the above statement. There are plenty of nominal Christians in the Northeast (especially Roman Catholics), but you are much more likely to get an accurate/honest answer here than in the South. If someone tells me they're a Christian up here, I'm much more likely to believe them than if someone in the South told me. On the flipside, in the North people have no problem telling you up front they have no faith, are simply "spiritual," etc. It's easier to separate the wheat from the chaff, in my opinion...

 

[Marrow Man]

I know this thread is all in good fun, but I'd have to disagree with the above statement. There are plenty of nominal Christians in the Northeast (especially Roman Catholics), but you are much more likely to get an accurate/honest answer here than in the South. If someone tells me they're a Christian up here, I'm much more likely to believe them than if someone in the South told me. On the flipside, in the North people have no problem telling you up front they have no faith, are simply "spiritual," etc. It's easier to separate the wheat from the chaff, in my opinion...

Thou speakest the truth. Seriously, my experience in the south is that "everyone" is a "Christian" by birthright. Lots of false assurance and moralistic preaching going on. I know that's not true everywhere, but it is a factor. It's like the difference b/t Paul preaching to the Jews v. preaching to the Gentiles.

 

[kalawine]

I thought Southerners prided themselves on being less civilized then everyone else?

A common error. Southroners are rather the standard of civilization. However, in the spirit of fostering goodwill towards brethren with the misfortune of having their corpus in the wrong locality, they allow such misconceptions to exist in order that those misplaced brethren will not feel excluded from God's grace.

Theognome

So I'm supposed to leave the old Buick, parked in the front lawn, and the John Deere next to the mailbox thats swinging from a rope tied to the tree with all the shotgun pellet holes in it?

First of all... what is this "lawn" thing? Do you mean the front "yard?" And where do you get "pellets?" That's shot boy! Y'know... Buck shot, bird shot... you'd never make it as a Yankee spy! Start talkin' like that across enemy lines and somebody will fill you full of "pellets."

 

[LadyFlynt]

That's because many of us Rebs moved North for the jobs (and in hubby's case, they moved from south to midwest and now northeast due to the job market). I'd say that I can find more conservative christians on the east coast than I can in the midwest.

 

[Grymir]

Facts? Generalizations? We're talking about Regional pride here!

I mean, didn't we support our school even when they had a 0-14 season? Can we say Detroit Lions?

Besides, in Texas, everyone else not from Texas is a yankee!

 

[shackleton]

I live in Kansas City and my wife and I frequent a little town about 4 hours south of here in southern MO. They would call themselves the south though I don't know if it technically is. Anyhow we went there this past Christmas and the difference was astonishing. It was a lot more "Christian" than I am used to. Here in the city there a lot of rampant liberalism and worse so it is nice and refreshing to be in an openly Christian environment. So I would have to say that the south is refreshingly Christian.

 

[PresbyDane]

I have no idea

 

[SpokenFor]

I grew up in Indiana and you could flag down ten cars and find one conservative Christian. I've lived in the Northeast for past 12 years, however, and you would have to flag down 1,000 cars to find one here. So to just say "Northerners" isn't really clear. The Northeast/New England vs. the Northern Midwest vs. the Northwest or even the PacNW are just totally different animals.

 

[Theognome]

That's because many of us Rebs moved North for the jobs (and in hubby's case, they moved from south to midwest and now northeast due to the job market). I'd say that I can find more conservative christians on the east coast than I can in the midwest.

That would make you a Copperhead, which is a good thing.

Theognome

 

[kalawine]

I grew up in Indiana and you could flag down ten cars and find one conservative Christian. I've lived in the Northeast for past 12 years, however, and you would have to flag down 1,000 cars to find one here. So to just say "Northerners" isn't really clear. The Northeast/New England vs. the Northern Midwest vs. the Northwest or even the PacNW are just totally different animals.

My thread, which started out as a semi-half-hearted joke in reply to a thread asking whether or not other Americans are annoyed or endeared by Southerners, has become a very serious scientific study in social studies. So, how many cars have you flagged down lately?

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As a Northerner you all have to see where I am from to realize the silliness of such polls.

Adam my friend... it was meant to be silly from the beginning

 

[Theognome]

I grew up in Indiana and you could flag down ten cars and find one conservative Christian. I've lived in the Northeast for past 12 years, however, and you would have to flag down 1,000 cars to find one here. So to just say "Northerners" isn't really clear. The Northeast/New England vs. the Northern Midwest vs. the Northwest or even the PacNW are just totally different animals.

My thread, which started out as a semi-half-hearted joke in reply to a thread asking whether or not other Americans are annoyed or endeared by Southerners, has become a very serious scientific study in social studies. So, how many cars have you flagged down lately?

-----Added 1/17/2009 at 09:55:38 EST-----

As a Northerner you all have to see where I am from to realize the silliness of such polls.

Adam my friend... it was meant to be silly from the beginning

Don't try to flag down cars in Los Angeles. That can get you shot.

Theognome

 

[Calvinist Cowboy]

I think that we should regard Maryland, (at least historically mind you) as a border state with STRONG Southern leanings. Lincoln had to march his invading army around Baltimore and not through it. Otherwise the citizens would have torn them to shreds and driven them out of town! In my (humble) opinion, the only reason that Maryland did not join the Cause was because of federal intervention into their affairs. Imprisoning the leaders of the secession movement in that state and throwing critical journalists into jail.

We Texans consider Virginians to be Yanks so don't even think about Maryland!

Hey, don't be bashing my home state!

 

[cedar_chopper]

define ''northern''...

as a texan, the north begins at the red river...
as far as the other, im sure there are some great carpetbaggin' believers, i just guess i havent met any