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Barney

Puritan Board Freshman
How common in the Reformed faith would the belief that Revelation 20: 11-15 has already happened or is taking place now?
 
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Barney

Puritan Board Freshman
Yes I do find it odd. How could I find where in the confessions it talks of this?
I'm led to believe that it wouldn't be heresy but rather a wrong understanding of scripture?
 

Polanus1561

Puritan Board Junior
Yes I do find it odd. How could I find where in the confessions it talks of this?
I'm led to believe that it wouldn't be heresy but rather a wrong understanding of scripture?
The main confessions on the Last Judgment?
 

Barney

Puritan Board Freshman
I was wondering on the intention of your investigation, but this goes beyond Reformed theology to orthodoxy; see Apostles Creed
I'm a learner. A minister and I respectfully debate/talk about 'Protestant/Reformed Theology.
He said he is partial preterist and believes Revelation 20: 11-15 has either past or is present. Not future.
So I'm exploring it.
 

Polanus1561

Puritan Board Junior
I'm a learner. A minister and I respectfully debate/talk about 'Protestant/Reformed Theology.
He said he is partial preterist and believes Revelation 20: 11-15 has either past or is present. Not future.
So I'm exploring it.
What confession does he hold onto?
 

Barney

Puritan Board Freshman
I'm not sure what the difference between Reformed and Orthodoxy is. Could you summarize it?
 

Phil D.

Puritan Board Senior
Maybe ask your friend to comment on Article 4 (of the Thirty-Nine Articles).

Of the Resurrection of Christ.
Christ did truly rise again from death, and took again his body, with flesh, bones, and all things appertaining to the perfection of Man's nature; wherewith he ascended into Heaven, and there sitteth, until he return to judge all Men at the last day.
 

Polanus1561

Puritan Board Junior
Maybe ask your friend to comment on Article 4 (of the Thirty-Nine Articles).

Of the Resurrection of Christ.
Christ did truly rise again from death, and took again his body, with flesh, bones, and all things appertaining to the perfection of Man's nature; wherewith he ascended into Heaven, and there sitteth, until he return to judge all Men at the last day.
The logical question is that the framers of the article obviously did not see the last day as being past or present in their day. Thus, what has changed since then that we can say the last day is now past or present.
 

Barney

Puritan Board Freshman
Maybe ask your friend to comment on Article 4 (of the Thirty-Nine Articles).

Of the Resurrection of Christ.
Christ did truly rise again from death, and took again his body, with flesh, bones, and all things appertaining to the perfection of Man's nature; wherewith he ascended into Heaven, and there sitteth, until he return to judge all Men at the last day.
I certainly will.
I also want to ask my friend when he thinks those verses came to pass. He said all of Revelation has past. Although still believes a bodily resurrection and second advent is still to happen.
I'm sure someone else on pb said this wasn't heresy.
How does the Reformed faith define or determine whether something is heresy?
 

Barney

Puritan Board Freshman
That thread is helpful.
I'm sure his heart and intentions are in the right place. We can all learn.
 

arapahoepark

Puritan Board Post-Graduate
It be could that you friend finds all of Revelation to be fulfilled in 70 AD (or like the bizarre emergent Perriman fulfilled in the end of Christendom) and so all of it is metaphorical of that event. Meanwhile, he follows Paul and Jesus literally with regard to the last judgment. That's a charitable reading. I don't know how, taking the analogy and clarity of Scripture, they can be held in tandem without some sort of slippery slope trajectory toward full preterism.
 
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RamistThomist

Puritanboard Clerk
I certainly will.
I also want to ask my friend when he thinks those verses came to pass. He said all of Revelation has past. Although still believes a bodily resurrection and second advent is still to happen.
I'm sure someone else on pb said this wasn't heresy.
How does the Reformed faith define or determine whether something is heresy?

If he holds to a future resurrection, then he isn't a heretic on this point. That said, those who say that all of Revelation is fulfilled usually end up denying the resurrection.
 

TylerRay

Puritan Board Graduate
How common in the Reformed faith would the belief that Revelation 20: 11-15 has already happened or is taking place now?
You may want to ask your friend to clarify. It's quite common in Reformed circles to hold that Rev 20:1-6 is past/present, but that 20:11-15 is future. Perhaps that's his position.
 

Barney

Puritan Board Freshman
As far as I could understand his position, he regards all of Revelation as past but also in a future physical resurrection and second coming. I will continue to talk with him and try and influence in sound doctrine.
 
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