reading recommendations

[rmwilliamsjr]

Our new Adult Education classes start at the church in the next few weeks.
the next class is using the book, Worship In Spirit and
Truth(by J.Frame), as a starting point for discussion and as a course outline.
does anyone have recommendations for auxillary reading on the topic for me? either books or websites.
thanks

 

[Contra_Mundum]

My advice? Use some primary and secondary sources to show that what Frame calls the regulative principle of worship is his own redefinition of that principle, and then he can say: "See, liturgical dance is within the scope of the regulative principle!"

I'll just plug my usual biases: GPTS conference papers on Worship (in book form) and their earlier book on worship, edited by Lachman are two good resources. Morecraft's book defends the traditional view of the RPW. Horton Davies' books, Hughes Oliphant Old's books. Early commentary on relevant WCF sections by Assembly participants.

 

[crhoades]

See this thread for a debate by Frame and Daryl Hart regarding Frame's views of RPW and his books.

Second the advice of Contra Mundum.

 

[rmwilliamsjr]

i ordered:
With Reverence and Awe: Returning to the Basics of Reformed Worship - D. G. Hart


i can't find the worship conference papers for sale online.
found this:
http://www.presbyteriannews.org/volumes/v9/1/pr35.pdf
about the conference

found:
Worship in the Presence of God
by David C. Lachman (Editor), Frank J. Smith (Editor)
but it is $70...*ouch*

likewise found:
How God Wants Us to Worship Him
by Joe Morecraft
at amazon

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/s...e,+availability,-daterank/102-8502438-2478522
Horton Davies has perhaps 25 books on the topic, is one particularly important?

looks like:
Worship: Reformed According to Scripture
by Hughes Oliphant Old
is my best bet from the posting above.

i'm holding my amazon order open for a few days to get everything into this order.
so thanks much for your help.

....

[Edited on 2-17-2006 by rmwilliamsjr]

 

[Contra_Mundum]

Horton's book Worship of the English Puritans is one that I have, and will address the issue fairly directly, since it deals with the period around the Assembly.

You can try GPTS directly for both Worship books (the older may be out of print, explaining the high price you found). Call them at 864-322-2717.


edit--the materials listed in the bookstore section of the website are incomplete, and online orders are not currently available, so I have removed the link (www.gpts.edu) from this post

[Edited on 2-17-2006 by Contra_Mundum]

 

[Contra_Mundum]

I can't believe I left off Jeremiah Burroughs (1599-1646), Gospel Worship! What was I thinking? 1990, Soli Deo Gloria Publications. Fabulous exposition, 14 sermons on Leviticus 10:3.

 

[R. Scott Clark]

Originally posted by rmwilliamsjr
Our new Adult Education classes start at the church in the next few weeks.
the next class is using the book, Worship In Spirit and
Truth(by J.Frame), as a starting point for discussion and as a course outline.
does anyone have recommendations for auxillary reading on the topic for me? either books or websites.
thanks

There are many recommendations on this thread

rsc

 

[rmwilliamsjr]

thanks for the pointer to the RPW thread
ordered:
A Better Way: Rediscovering the Drama of God-Centered Worship - Michael Horton;
as well.

blogged the rest so i have them at hand.

 

[Casey]

Is Frame's book along the same lines as Gore's treatment of the topic? I have not read Frame, but I have read Gore. Thanks.

 

[rmwilliamsjr]

for those that are interested, the adult class notes are kept at:
http://www.rinconmountainpca.com/worshipclassnotes.html

if anyone has the url for other churches teaching the same material i'd love to read them as well.

 

[VirginiaHuguenot]

See this thread.

 

[rmwilliamsjr]

Originally posted by StaunchPresbyterian
Is Frame's book along the same lines as Gore's treatment of the topic? I have not read Frame, but I have read Gore. Thanks.

I just finished my first pass through Gore's _Covenantal Worship:reconsidering the Puritan Regulative Principle_. i'll read it again this week and write a review of it.
my review of Frame's _Worship in Spirit and Truth_ is posted to amazon and at:
http://rmwilliamsjr.livejournal.com/185799.html

at this point, Gore looks to be to the left of Frame, he is willing to state on pg 139 that the puritan regulative principle of worship is flawed, and on the next page to offer the suggestion that the covenantal principle that whatsoever is consistent with Scripture is an acceptable practice in worship. Two things that i don't believe J.Frame is willing to say, in print in particular, and not really willing to give voice to, at least not from what i can see in WST.

although i believe that those more conservative on the issue would see little true difference between Gore and Frame and would see his(Frames's) writing the preface as support for his(Gore's) conclusions.

 

[NaphtaliPress]

See a rather lengthy critical survey/review of works by Frame and Gore against the RPW in The Confessional Presbyterian volume 1 (2005) 116-150. The 2006 issue nearing completion now (I trust) will also have material on the RPW: "The Regulative Principle of Worship: Sixty Years in Reformed Literature, 1946"“2006." The first part covers 1946 through 1999; and the second to run in 2007, D.V., covers through 2006.

 

[rmwilliamsjr]

this is, In my humble opinion, an excellent flowchart from today's class on worship
posted to: http://www.rinconmountainpca.com/worshipclass/What to Do in Worship 040206.html

A Regulative Principle Rubric

A Proposed Way of Looking at Public Worship Decisions at Rincon

*Not from Frame*



Precedence & Patterns

Scripture "“ Inerrant, Infallible, Inspired (Often narrative context)

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Prophets, Jesus Christ, Eye-witness accounts under Apostles´ authority

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Principles

Systematic Statements "“ Amendable only by due process of qualified majority

Westminster Confession - Westminster Larger/Short Catechisms

Book of Church Order, PCA

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General Assembly "•> Presbytery "•> Local Session (Pastors)


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Prudence

Light of Nature (Universal General Revelation)

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Primarily Interpreted by Local Session


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Propriety

Cultural priorities & associations

Primarily Local Session


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Purpose

Procedure, Presentation, Proportions, Productivity, Practicality, Planning, Posterity

Primarily Local Session & Often Appointed Committees


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Preference

General Opinions and Equal Options

Primarily Local Congregation


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Practices