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Sgt Grit

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I am still a dispensationalist (really progressive), but am interested in learning more about Covenant Eschatology. I have tried the “why the dispensationalist view is wrong resources”, but am having a hard time with them because they seem to focus on hyper-dispensationalists or just plain wacky views that I do not hold. Honestly I see those as straw man arguments.

My question is what is the best commentary I can buy that gives a solid understanding of the reformed view of eschatology?
 
I am still a dispensationalist (really progressive), but am interested in learning more about Covenant Eschatology. I have tried the “why the dispensationalist view is wrong resources”, but am having a hard time with them because they seem to focus on hyper-dispensationalists or just plain wacky views that I do not hold. Honestly I see those as straw man arguments.

My question is what is the best commentary I can buy that gives a solid understanding of the reformed view of eschatology?

For something geared more toward laymen, I would recommend:

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Case-Amillennialism-Understanding-End-Times/dp/080106435X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258149026&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: Case for Amillennialism, A: Understanding the End Times (9780801064357): Kim Riddlebarger: Books[/ame]

For something a little more scholarly:

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Promise-Future-Cornelis-P-Venema/dp/0851517935/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258149086&sr=1-1]Amazon.com: Promise of the Future (9780851517933): Cornelis P. Venema: Books[/ame]

I've read both books and recommend them highly. Riddlebarger's book convinced me of Reformed Amillennialism as a former dispensationalist.
 
Riddlebarger's book is very good yes. I'm definitely leaning towards Amillenialism, I'd say 90%. I was never dispensationalist, rather historic premil with Dispensational influences!

What in particular do you find so compelling about the dispensationalist view?
 
I am still a dispensationalist (really progressive), but am interested in learning more about Covenant Eschatology. I have tried the “why the dispensationalist view is wrong resources”, but am having a hard time with them because they seem to focus on hyper-dispensationalists or just plain wacky views that I do not hold. Honestly I see those as straw man arguments.

My question is what is the best commentary I can buy that gives a solid understanding of the reformed view of eschatology?

What beliefs do you hold that you consider dispensationalist that the anti-dispensationalist resources you're talking about do not address? What critiques do you have in mind that you've characterized as addressing merely "hyper-dispensationalism"?
 
A must read. Includes a whole chapter dealing with Dispensationalism.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Christ-Covenants-O-Palmer-Robertson/dp/0875524184/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258151810&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: The Christ of the Covenants (9780875524184): O. Palmer Robertson: Books[/ame]
 
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Postmillennialism-Eschatology-Hope-Keith-Mathison/dp/0875523897]Amazon.com: Postmillennialism: An Eschatology of Hope (9780875523897): Keith A. Mathison: Books[/ame]
 
Pink's writing against dispensationalism was good. I think that it was just called Against Dispensationalism, though I could be wrong.
Some of the good brothers here will probably set up a link to that resource.
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If you're wrestling through the Covenantal view of Israel's relationship to the Church, a short read I found VERY helpful is Sam Waldron's book, "MacArthur's Millenial Manifesto".

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/MacArthurs-Millennial-Manifesto-Samuel-Waldron/dp/098021792X]Amazon.com: MacArthur's Millennial Manifesto (9780980217926): Samuel E. Waldron: Books[/ame]

It's an easy read; but also deals with the issue I think (maybe) most troubles some newbies to Covenant Theology.
 
A Question of Stories

I am still a dispensationalist (really progressive), but am interested in learning more about Covenant Eschatology. I have tried the “why the dispensationalist view is wrong resources”, but am having a hard time with them because they seem to focus on hyper-dispensationalists or just plain wacky views that I do not hold. Honestly I see those as straw man arguments.

My question is what is the best commentary I can buy that gives a solid understanding of the reformed view of eschatology?

Sarge,

I grew up dispie and was educated progressive dispie, so I understand the frustration with certain Reformed works. My advice would be to look into aspects other than the eschatology. Eschatology in all systems is the symptomatic outgrowth of previous assumptions about how the parts of the Bible fit together. All systems of interpretations are essentially stories about what God has done, is doing, and is planning to do. The Dispensational story is really about the Jews. God's primary work is to make a Jewish kingdom, which is why the church age must be regarded as a parenthesis or an intercalation - it doesn't fit the story. It's why traditional Dispensationalists proposed the postponement story - they couldn't fit the atonement into the story, except as a detour.

On the other hand, there is no "Covenant eschatology," in the sense of one eschatology covenant theology must lead to. Covenant theology is a story, but it is one which leaves a more flexible ending.

For most people, the dispie-covenant shift is a paradigm change that results not from one or two facts, but from a reappraisal of the whole sweep of redemptive history. It is a change of metanarrative. I would strongly encourage you to read materials which give the whole story - Genesis to Revelation - from a covenantal perspective. According to Plan by Graeme Goldsworthy is a great book, especially because it contains a section on interpretive method, always a concern for dispensationalists. On the heavy end, you can check out Geerhardus Vos' Biblical Theology or his smaller The Pauline Eschatology. Keith Mathison's From Age to Age: The Unfolding of Biblical Eschatology is a hefty work, but one can't ask for more.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Age-Unfolding-Biblical-Eschatology/dp/0875527450/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258210011&sr=1-1]Amazon.com: From Age to Age: The Unfolding of Biblical Eschatology (9780875527451): Keith A. Mathison: Books[/ame]
 
God of Promise by Michael Horton is a good place to start.

I highly disagree, it is one the most redundant and boring books I have ever read but then again some might like his style. If you are ever going to read anything by Michael Horton I suggest starting with his more pastoral book called Christless Christianity.

As for a book on eschatology maybe you would enjoy Loraine Boettners The Millennium for a simple but effective overview of each millennial position. [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Millennium-Loraine-Boettner/dp/0875521134"]Amazon.com: Millennium (9780875521138): Loraine Boettner: Books[/ame]

This is just a start though, it is basic...
 
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Get the DVD “The Late Great Planet Church: The Rise of Dispensationalism, Volume One" from NiceneCouncil.com. Jerry Johnson effectively deals with the topic. There is a thead about this DVD on PB also.

Also, there are lots of links on Millennial Dreams

Cordially,
Carol Noren Johnson
 
as if you don't have enough to keep you busy, I will throw in one more helpful resource:

Covenant Theology Overview by Matthew McMahon at SermonAudio. There are some good MP3's you can download or burn to a CD and listen to in the car.
 
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