I guess what I’m lobbying for is a patience in the discussion since there seems a legitimate case that the language of Scripture (the word “until” is discussed) may not clinch the case like people think it does.
I can't wait though. I am like a kid on that one morning of that one pretended holy day hahaha
Seriously though, I may missed discussion on "until". (It is possible that I have missed it).
But if "until" means something else, it is hidden knowledge that no layman has reasonable access to which seems weird.
My limited Greek has me look up the interlinear and see that "until" is heOs and Strong's number 2193
as:
" of uncertain affinity; a conjunction, preposition and adverb of continuance, until (of time and place):—even (until, unto), (as) far (as), how long, (un-)til(-l), (hither-, un-, up) to, while(-s)."
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a ton of uses in Matthew alone that all mean straightforward "until":
Mat 1:17
So all the generations from Abraham to G2193 David
are fourteen generations; and from David until G2193 the carrying away into Babylon
are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto G2193 Christ
are fourteen generations.
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Mat 1:25
And knew her not till G2193 she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.
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Mat 2:9
When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till G2193 it came and stood over where the young child was.
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Mat 2:13
And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until G2193 I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
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Mat 2:15
And was there until G2193 the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
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Mat 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till G2193 heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till G2193 all be fulfilled.
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Mat 5:25
Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles G2193 thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
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Mat 5:26
Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till G2193 thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
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Mat 10:11
And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till G2193 ye go thence.
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Mat 10:23
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till G2193 the Son of man be come.
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Mat 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until G2193 now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
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Mat 11:13
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until G2193 John.
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Mat 11:23
And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto G2193 heaven, shalt be brought down to G2193 hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
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Mat 12:20
A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till G2193 he send forth judgment unto victory.
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Mat 13:33
Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till G2193 the whole was leavened.
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Mat 14:22
And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while G2193 he sent the multitudes away.
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Mat 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till G2193 they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
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Mat 17:9
And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until G2193 the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
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Mat 17:17
Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long G2193 shall I be with you? how long G2193 shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
but our MW has posted on this a good bit and those could be searched.
