when did Christ die?

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bigheavyq

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since resurrection sunday is coming up, I thought I would pose these questions:

if Christ was like jonah in the grave for three days, how could He die on friday afternoon and raise on sunday morning?
does "tradition" have it wrong?
could he have died on a wednesday or thursday?

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If I understand correct, Jesus was in the tomb part of Friday, all of Saturday and part of Sunday. That makes three days. He was in the tomb for part of three days. It was not necessary for Him to be in the tomb for three consecutive 24 hour periods in order for it to be three days.
 
But the word 'day' can mean a thousand years so Jesus was in the tomb for 3000 years, Jonah was in the fish 3000 years and Joshua marched around Jericho for 7000 years.

Hence Jesus went in the tomb on Friday, April 14th, 33AD and came out on Friday, April 14th 3033 AD. Hold it, somethings not working out. I need to check my math. I'll get back to you.

[Edited on 4-6-2006 by BobVigneault]
 
Who ever though the old earth theory would apply to the resurrection? YOM rocks!
 
"If I understand correct, Jesus was in the tomb part of Friday, all of Saturday and part of Sunday. That makes three days."

But not three nights. "Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights."
 
Originally posted by SRoper
"If I understand correct, Jesus was in the tomb part of Friday, all of Saturday and part of Sunday. That makes three days."

But not three nights. "Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights."

"Three days and three nights" is a Hebraism and can include any portion of a day. E.g., If a Jew said, "I've been traveling three days and three nights," he could have started on a Monday and ended on a Wednesday. Cf. 1 Samuel 30:12-13.
 
Originally posted by tcalbrecht
Originally posted by SRoper
"If I understand correct, Jesus was in the tomb part of Friday, all of Saturday and part of Sunday. That makes three days."

But not three nights. "Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights."

"Three days and three nights" is a Hebraism and can include any portion of a day. E.g., If a Jew said, "I've been traveling three days and three nights," he could have started on a Monday and ended on a Wednesday. Cf. 1 Samuel 30:12-13.

:ditto: See Matthew Henry on Matt. 12.40:

Now this sign of the prophet Jonas he further explains here; (v. 40) As Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, and then came out again safe and well, thus Christ shall be so long in the grave, and then shall rise again. [1.] The grave was to Christ as the belly of the fish was to Jonah; thither he was thrown, as a Ransom for lives ready to be lost in a storm; there he lay, as in the belly of hell (Jonah ii. 2), and seemed to be cast out of God's sight. [2.] He continued in the grave just as long as Jonah continued in the fish's belly, three days and three nights; not three whole days and nights: it is probable, Jonah did not lie so long in the whale's belly, but part of three natural days (nychthemerai, the Greeks called them); he was buried in the afternoon of the sixth day of the week, and rose again in the morning of the first day; it is a manner of speech very usual; see 1 Kings xx. 29; Esth. iv. 16; v. 1; Luke ii. 21. So long Jonah was a prisoner for his own sins, so long Christ was a Prisoner for ours. [3.] As Jonah in the whale's belly comforted himself with an assurance that yet he should look again toward God's holy temple (Jonah ii. 4), so Christ when he lay in the grave, is expressly said to rest in hope, as one assured he should not see corruption, Acts ii. 26, 27. [4.] As Jonah on the third day was discharged from his prison, and came to the land of the living again, from the congregation of the dead (for dead things are said to be formed from under the waters, Job xxvi. 5), so Christ on the third day should return to life, and rise out of his grave to send abroad the gospel to the Gentiles.
 
It's my understanding that when Jesus used the expression 'three days and three nights' that it was an idiomatic expression that was common in hebrew. He was not indicating an exact 72 hours period but rather a block of time that spanned 3 days.

Any apparent contradiction comes from 21st century man trying to impose a 21st century literality on an ancient idiom. That's my two denairius'.
 
Originally posted by BobVigneault
Oops, I was typing while Tom was posting. Didn't mean to be redundantly superfluous.

It's ok, Bob. You have been granted an official waiver from the Department of the Redundancy Department. :judge:
 
As a paralegal I believe you can actually facilitate that grant Andrew. Thank you and thank the DRedD as well. :handshake:

Maybe you can speak to the Department Against Rude-sounding Nomenclature (DARN) and get Scott Clark cleared for using the word 'concupiscence'. (Hey Scott, I spelled it correctly but still had to look it up to check.)

[Edited on 4-6-2006 by BobVigneault]
 
Answer: at around 3:00 PM ("about... the 9th hour" Lk. 23:44), on a Friday.

It also bears notice that Jesus pronounced that "his hour had arrived" in John12:27. His "descent" really begins someplace before the 6 hours on the cross. He suffers during all his trial, including his scourging. And don't forget the garden, (Thurs. night)! Satan, hell's demons, and death all stalk him until cluminating in the climax of the cross.

Don't think of this event (Jesus' suffering for our sins) in "blocks of time." Think of it as the cup of God's wrath being turned over, and the dribbling of the grapes of wrath turning into a flood until Christ--spirit and body--drains its dreggs, casts away the cup, and utters those words, "it is finished".

And his lifeless body remains (a portion) of three days under the power of death, until he demands it back.
 
Excellent points Bruce. I had been considering that his 'descent' began in the garden but wasn't sure how to express it. You did a terrific job. Thanks so much.
 
Originally posted by Contra_Mundum
Answer: at around 3:00 PM ("about... the 9th hour" Lk. 23:44), on a Friday.

It also bears notice that Jesus pronounced that "his hour had arrived" in John12:27. His "descent" really begins someplace before the 6 hours on the cross. He suffers during all his trial, including his scourging. And don't forget the garden, (Thurs. night)! Satan, hell's demons, and death all stalk him until cluminating in the climax of the cross.

Don't think of this event (Jesus' suffering for our sins) in "blocks of time." Think of it as the cup of God's wrath being turned over, and the dribbling of the grapes of wrath turning into a flood until Christ--spirit and body--drains its dreggs, casts away the cup, and utters those words, "it is finished".

And his lifeless body remains (a portion) of three days under the power of death, until he demands it back.

:up:

The phrase "heart of the earth" must be pointing to the whole atonement experience which started Thursday in the garden. I believe it's referring to the whole of Christ's suffering for the elect. It doesn't say that he was 3 days and nights in the grave.
 
here's my point if we are to adhere to sola scriptura what is the justification for his death on friday. He gave the example that he would be in the grave as long as jonah was in the whale. I don't know why it needs to happen on friday? why couldn't he have died on a wednesday? doesn't the sabbath or passover happen on different days because of the lunar calendar?
 
Jesus' death occured in conjunction with the Passover. It was meant to be. He is "the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world." The Law of Moses is very clear, the animal must be killed on the 14th at twilight, and the 14th is (always) the day of preparation for the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which (always) began on the Sabbath.

The impact of the Babylonian captivity on the Jewish calendar, the logistics of a massive national celebration concentrated in one city--both of these things contributed in the providence of God to what amounted to a "split" celebration--one on (by our reckoning) Thursday evening or the "beginning" of Friday the 14th by the later Jewish reckoning, when Jesus and the disciples held their meal; the other (by our reckoning) on Friday evening or the "end" of Friday the 14th.

As interpreters have studied this event for centuries, the most consistent interpretation of the data (as the majority have agreed) is that Jesus died on Friday. This explanation may not answer every single question, however it leaves the least amount of loose-ends and difficulties.

I hope this goes part way to answering some of your questions.
 
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