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Anton Bruckner
Puritan Board Professor
Reformed Covenanter
Cancelled Commissioner
I have to vote for President Robertson. Errr he didn't win?!?!? I have to start paying more attention!
Did he run against Ron Reagan or the first George Bush?
christiana
Puritan Board Senior
No one has mentioned Jesse Duplantis and he has been to heaven and picked out his early american furniture already! He says he discussed his choices with Jesus!
Such blasphemy!
Such blasphemy!
caddy
Puritan Board Senior
Ok, this is the funniest thing I've read in a week, save the 1977 JC Penny Catalog email I got from a friend showing guys and gals in matching terri-cloth outfits, lime green leisure suits, pants pulled up nigh under the arm pits and cowboy attire that had pseudo tear away front portions for easy access to chest hair viewing!
Still Copeland has ( and had ) better hair than all of these!
JBaldwin
Puritan Board Post-Graduate
I just checked his website. He claims to know nearly the entire NT and large chunks of the OT. He has memorized over 14,000 verses. Apparently he continues to memorize.
Here's a link: Welcome to Jack Van Impe Ministries International
I don't care for Van Impe's theology, but he is right when he stresses the importance of hiding God's Word in our hearts.
JBaldwin
Puritan Board Post-Graduate
I just checked out his website. He has put most of the NT to memory and large chunks of the OT. Here's the link to his website: Welcome to Jack Van Impe Ministries International
I don't care for Van Impe's theology, but he is right when he encourages believers to hide God's Word in their hearts.
jawyman
Puritan Board Junior
How could we forget Joyce Meyer
Meyer also reports that she was praying intensely while driving to work one morning in 1976 when she said she heard God call her name. She had been born-again at age nine, but her unhappiness drove her deeper into her faith. She says that she came home later that day from a beauty appointment "full of liquid love" and was "drunk with the Spirit of God" (and spoke in tongues) that night while at the local bowling alley.
I mean this is a person we should all consider taking our spiritual directions from.
Meyer also reports that she was praying intensely while driving to work one morning in 1976 when she said she heard God call her name. She had been born-again at age nine, but her unhappiness drove her deeper into her faith. She says that she came home later that day from a beauty appointment "full of liquid love" and was "drunk with the Spirit of God" (and spoke in tongues) that night while at the local bowling alley.
I mean this is a person we should all consider taking our spiritual directions from.
Well, like you I don't care for his theology....but if he has indeed memorised that much of the Bible....in that degree I am humbled.
Calvibaptist
Dallas Cowboys' #1 Fan
I must admit that Oral Roberts and his death prophecy have to get a big vote from me, as well. Some schmuck gave him a lot of money at the last minute to keep God from killing him.
...........I have decided on the king.......In terms of out and out audacity, scariness, and overall greasy snake-oil salesmanship. Drum role.......................................long live king Hinn. People...face it in terms of being over the top......no one can touch this cat!
reformedcop
Puritan Board Freshman
This seemed fitting for this thread:
Grassley Probes Televangelists' Finances
Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, speaks at the Iowa State Republican Party Con...
By JUSTIN JUOZAPAVICIUS, AP
1 hour ago
—
Acting on tips about preachers who ride in Rolls Royces and have purportedly paid $30,000 for a conference table, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee said Tuesday he's investigating the finances of six well-known TV ministers.
Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa said those under scrutiny include faith healer Benny Hinn, Georgia megachurch pastor Creflo Dollar and one of the nation's best known female preachers, Joyce Meyer.
Grassley sent letters to the half-dozen Christian media ministries earlier this week requesting answers by Dec. 6 about their expenses, executive compensation and amenities, including use of fancy cars and private jets.
In a statement, Grassley said he was acting on complaints from the public and news coverage of the organizations.
"The allegations involve governing boards that aren't independent and allow generous salaries and housing allowances and amenities such as private jets and Rolls Royces," Grassley said.
"I don't want to conclude that there's a problem, but I have an obligation to donors and the taxpayers to find out more. People who donated should have their money spent as intended and in adherence with the tax code."
Those ministries that responded Tuesday either said they were cooperating or committed to financial transparency and following the law.
The investigation promises to shine new light on the kind of TV ministries that were crippled by sex and money scandals in the 1980s. Experts also say it stands out as an unusual case of the government probing the inner workings of religious organizations.
Most of those under investigation preach a variation of the "prosperity gospel," the teaching that God will shower faithful followers with material riches.
Grassley's letters went to:
_ Kenneth and Gloria Copeland of Kenneth Copeland Ministries of Newark, Texas, a $20 million organization and prosperity gospel pioneer. Questions were raised about the transfer of church assets to a for-profit company, Security Patrol Inc., a $1 million loan from Gloria Copeland to the group, and a "personal gift" of more than $2 million given to Kenneth Copeland to mark the ministry's 40th anniversary.
A Copeland spokeswoman released a statement saying the ministry is working on a response to Grassley's letter, follows all laws and best practices governing churches and religious nonprofit groups, and "will continue to do so."
_ Creflo and Taffi Dollar of World Changers Church International and Creflo Dollar Ministries of College Park, Ga. Grassley's letter asks for records on private planes, board makeup, compensation and donations and "love offerings" to visiting ministers. In a statement, Dollar called his ministry an "open book" and said he would cooperate. He also questioned whether the investigation could "affect the privacy of every community church in America."
_ Benny Hinn of World Healing Center Church Inc. and Benny Hinn Ministries of Grapevine, Texas, is asked about use of a private jet, a home in Dana Point, Calif. and "layover trips" while traveling on ministry business. Hinn did not respond to requests for comment.
_ Bishop Eddie Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church and Bishop Eddie Long Ministries of Lithonia, Ga., was questioned about his salary, a $1.4 million real estate transaction and whether he, and not the board, holds sole authority over the organization. Long plans to fully comply with the Senate's request, and his church has "several safeguards" to ensure transactions comply with laws governing churches, according to a statement from Long's spokesman.
_ Joyce and David Meyer of Joyce Meyer Ministries of Fenton, Mo., who were quizzed about receiving donations of money and jewelry and the handling of cash from overseas crusades. They also were asked about expenditures at ministry headquarters, including a $30,000 conference table and a $23,000 "commode with marble top."
The ministry's lawyer released a statement describing the ministry's work and public release of several years' worth of audits. He also said the IRS found in October that the group continues to qualify for tax-exempt status.
_ Randy and Paula White of the multiracial Without Walls International Church and Paula White Ministries of Tampa, Fla. are asked about home purchases in San Antonio, Texas, Malibu, Calif., and New York, credit card charges for clothing and cosmetic surgery and the reported purchase of a Bentley convertible as a gift for Bishop T.D. Jakes, a prominent Texas preacher and televangelist. An e-mail to a spokeswoman for Jakes was not immediately returned.
In a statement, Randy and Paula White declined to comment on specifics, saying they needed time to review the letter with their lawyers. But the Whites called the Grassley letter "unusual, since the IRS has separate powers to investigate religious organizations if they think it's necessary."
Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and Creflo Dollar all sit on the board of regents for Oral Roberts University, which is mired in a financial scandal of its own.
The Senate Finance Committee has chided secular nonprofits for governance and compensation problems in the past, but this level of scrutiny for what are basically "non-pulpit churches" is unprecedented, said Ken Behr, president of the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability.
Because the groups have tax status as churches, they are not required to file tax forms open to public inspection.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Grassley Probes Televangelists' Finances
Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, speaks at the Iowa State Republican Party Con...
By JUSTIN JUOZAPAVICIUS, AP
1 hour ago
—
Acting on tips about preachers who ride in Rolls Royces and have purportedly paid $30,000 for a conference table, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee said Tuesday he's investigating the finances of six well-known TV ministers.
Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa said those under scrutiny include faith healer Benny Hinn, Georgia megachurch pastor Creflo Dollar and one of the nation's best known female preachers, Joyce Meyer.
Grassley sent letters to the half-dozen Christian media ministries earlier this week requesting answers by Dec. 6 about their expenses, executive compensation and amenities, including use of fancy cars and private jets.
In a statement, Grassley said he was acting on complaints from the public and news coverage of the organizations.
"The allegations involve governing boards that aren't independent and allow generous salaries and housing allowances and amenities such as private jets and Rolls Royces," Grassley said.
"I don't want to conclude that there's a problem, but I have an obligation to donors and the taxpayers to find out more. People who donated should have their money spent as intended and in adherence with the tax code."
Those ministries that responded Tuesday either said they were cooperating or committed to financial transparency and following the law.
The investigation promises to shine new light on the kind of TV ministries that were crippled by sex and money scandals in the 1980s. Experts also say it stands out as an unusual case of the government probing the inner workings of religious organizations.
Most of those under investigation preach a variation of the "prosperity gospel," the teaching that God will shower faithful followers with material riches.
Grassley's letters went to:
_ Kenneth and Gloria Copeland of Kenneth Copeland Ministries of Newark, Texas, a $20 million organization and prosperity gospel pioneer. Questions were raised about the transfer of church assets to a for-profit company, Security Patrol Inc., a $1 million loan from Gloria Copeland to the group, and a "personal gift" of more than $2 million given to Kenneth Copeland to mark the ministry's 40th anniversary.
A Copeland spokeswoman released a statement saying the ministry is working on a response to Grassley's letter, follows all laws and best practices governing churches and religious nonprofit groups, and "will continue to do so."
_ Creflo and Taffi Dollar of World Changers Church International and Creflo Dollar Ministries of College Park, Ga. Grassley's letter asks for records on private planes, board makeup, compensation and donations and "love offerings" to visiting ministers. In a statement, Dollar called his ministry an "open book" and said he would cooperate. He also questioned whether the investigation could "affect the privacy of every community church in America."
_ Benny Hinn of World Healing Center Church Inc. and Benny Hinn Ministries of Grapevine, Texas, is asked about use of a private jet, a home in Dana Point, Calif. and "layover trips" while traveling on ministry business. Hinn did not respond to requests for comment.
_ Bishop Eddie Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church and Bishop Eddie Long Ministries of Lithonia, Ga., was questioned about his salary, a $1.4 million real estate transaction and whether he, and not the board, holds sole authority over the organization. Long plans to fully comply with the Senate's request, and his church has "several safeguards" to ensure transactions comply with laws governing churches, according to a statement from Long's spokesman.
_ Joyce and David Meyer of Joyce Meyer Ministries of Fenton, Mo., who were quizzed about receiving donations of money and jewelry and the handling of cash from overseas crusades. They also were asked about expenditures at ministry headquarters, including a $30,000 conference table and a $23,000 "commode with marble top."
The ministry's lawyer released a statement describing the ministry's work and public release of several years' worth of audits. He also said the IRS found in October that the group continues to qualify for tax-exempt status.
_ Randy and Paula White of the multiracial Without Walls International Church and Paula White Ministries of Tampa, Fla. are asked about home purchases in San Antonio, Texas, Malibu, Calif., and New York, credit card charges for clothing and cosmetic surgery and the reported purchase of a Bentley convertible as a gift for Bishop T.D. Jakes, a prominent Texas preacher and televangelist. An e-mail to a spokeswoman for Jakes was not immediately returned.
In a statement, Randy and Paula White declined to comment on specifics, saying they needed time to review the letter with their lawyers. But the Whites called the Grassley letter "unusual, since the IRS has separate powers to investigate religious organizations if they think it's necessary."
Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and Creflo Dollar all sit on the board of regents for Oral Roberts University, which is mired in a financial scandal of its own.
The Senate Finance Committee has chided secular nonprofits for governance and compensation problems in the past, but this level of scrutiny for what are basically "non-pulpit churches" is unprecedented, said Ken Behr, president of the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability.
Because the groups have tax status as churches, they are not required to file tax forms open to public inspection.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Ooops for them! This is what happens when you take seniors SS and Pension money. For Shame!
reformedcop
Puritan Board Freshman
$23,000 for a toilet??!! I thought only the Pentegon could spend money like that! 
historyb
Puritan Board Junior
Would you have the url to this? I would like to use this in another place, thanks.
toddpedlar
Iron Dramatist
toddpedlar
Iron Dramatist
Like she said, "God's runnin' it!" Sad thing is she doesnt' realize how foolish she just looked...
BlackCalvinist
Puritan Board Senior
Someone will make them all go away....God
I think we're seeing the warning signs now..... various folk getting exposed all over the place.....
Unfortunately, with the way legislation has been going in this country, it's just a matter of time before we (Christians) are told to compromise or disband. When that time comes, the elect will persevere and the true church will shine while all of the other fakes and frauds will fall to the wayside.
Just a matter of time.
I think we're seeing the warning signs now..... various folk getting exposed all over the place.....
Unfortunately, with the way legislation has been going in this country, it's just a matter of time before we (Christians) are told to compromise or disband. When that time comes, the elect will persevere and the true church will shine while all of the other fakes and frauds will fall to the wayside.
Just a matter of time.
D. Paul
Puritan Board Sophomore
The two videos, Hinn's and Hagin's, were indeed chilling. Someone used the word "revolting". See, it's just not funny anymore to me. Not that it ever had any humor to begin with but I'm to the point I can't even make jokes about them like some do (which is fine...by all means, joke away! They deserve it.) It's the fact that I see firsthand the impact this has had and continues to haveon my family and friends. I have exposed certain things regarding these charlatans and greater voices than my own have shown their errors. Does it matter? No. They (friends & family) still cling to them or at least give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm sick, literally sick of hearing them spoken of as though they alone are bastions of the Gospel.
I spewed my guts one day on all I knew about Hinn's claims etc. It was lamented and tongue-clucked. Then what? A serious physical problem arose and what did they want to do? Go to a Benny Hinn conference.
It's to the point I'm getting angry with my friends because they refuse to look anywhere else but their Pentecostal/Charismatic/WordFaith wack-nut "churches" and "preachers" for biblical instruction.
IT'S JUST NOT FUNNY ANYMORE
I spewed my guts one day on all I knew about Hinn's claims etc. It was lamented and tongue-clucked. Then what? A serious physical problem arose and what did they want to do? Go to a Benny Hinn conference.
It's to the point I'm getting angry with my friends because they refuse to look anywhere else but their Pentecostal/Charismatic/WordFaith wack-nut "churches" and "preachers" for biblical instruction.
IT'S JUST NOT FUNNY ANYMORE
I do understand what you mean by NOT FUNNY...I put this under humor...because there is a who is your fave poll, but I am glad I did this thread! Why? It helps call attention to what thee guys are teaching and doing! I am thankful that people put up some video on some of these guys! The way I see it, a lot of non-PB members look at threads here.....if JUST ONE person sees this and begins to question what these Cats are doing and teaching and stop giving support....I am happy!
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