Beth Moore Split Thread

[Bandguy]

Whatever!

I was just kidding man. Don't cry.

 

[Davidius]

I was just kidding man. Don't cry.

I know

 

[LadyFlynt]

OUch!!! No! I wouldn't even think to compare the two!

Beth in her videos claims to be speaking "to women", but if men CHOOSE to sit in on her lessons, that is their choice. My understanding is that she does have plenty of men in her classes, the church permits it, and she has spoken from the pulpit. Regardless of what is "permitted", she should have taken a stand against it. Rebecca Jones is Reformed and writes for women. I have issues with her from a conference I attended where she spoke...I give her credit for refusing to speak with men in the general audience though.

 

[Bandguy]

OUch!!! No! I wouldn't even think to compare the two!

Beth in her videos claims to be speaking "to women", but if men CHOOSE to sit in on her lessons, that is their choice. My understanding is that she does have plenty of men in her classes, the church permits it, and she has spoken from the pulpit. Regardless of what is "permitted", she should have taken a stand against it. Rebecca Jones is Reformed and writes for women. I have issues with her from a conference I attended where she spoke...I give her credit for refusing to speak with men in the general audience though.

What if a man were to sit in with his wife just so he can oversee what is being taught and correct or affirm it?

 

[Andrew P.C.]

What if a man were to sit in with his wife just so he can oversee what is being taught and correct or affirm it?

Brother, that's why I'm in disagreement with women teaching in public forums. I do think it's ok for a women's bible study at home though.

 

[LadyFlynt]

Then perhaps there shouldn't be a "ladies" study...considering most of her studies are not "ladies' topics". In Beth's case, it is Sunday School from my understanding, a place where I do not believe families or the Church should be split up during teaching (another ball of wax).

 

[Bandguy]

Then perhaps there shouldn't be a "ladies" study...considering most of her studies are not "ladies' topics".

They're not? What topics does she teach?

 

[LadyFlynt]

Examples:

David: A Heart Like His
Jesus: The One and Only
Breaking Free: Breaking the Chains of Bondage
Believing God:
John: Beloved Disciple
The Patriarchs
Daniel
Living Beyond Yourself: Fruits of the Spirit

 

[Bandguy]

Interesting. Is it possible that she takes what scripture teaches about these men and their lives and applies it to ladies issues? Just wondering.

 

[LadyFlynt]

Yes and no...she speaks about being a mother, a wife, childhood abuse. But in the same way they can apply to a man...nothing really different (and if you want to hit on the type of abuse, I know men that were abused the same way). Seriously, she seems to turn the focus of Christ into a pop-star sort of crush.

 

[kvanlaan]

To go back a bit, someone queried whether or not it was OK to appeal to a woman's emotions. When dealing with teaching Scripture, I'd have to say no (when dealing with watching Oprah, OK). Appealing to emotions sounds rather "Finney-esque" regardless of the intended goal. The idea of appealing to emotions almost sounds like coersion instead of letting the Holy Spirit get to work.

 

[LadyFlynt]

To go back a bit, someone queried whether or not it was OK to appeal to a woman's emotions. When dealing with teaching Scripture, I'd have to say no (when dealing with watching Oprah, OK). Appealing to emotions sounds rather "Finney-esque" regardless of the intended goal. The idea of appealing to emotions almost sounds like coersion instead of letting the Holy Spirit get to work.

Stated so much better and in fewer words (men vs women )

 

[Bandguy]

Yes and no...she speaks about being a mother, a wife, childhood abuse. But in the same way they can apply to a man...nothing really different (and if you want to hit on the type of abuse, I know men that were abused the same way). Seriously, she seems to turn the focus of Christ into a pop-star sort of crush.

I can certainly understand about how childhood abuse could apply to a man. I don't, however, see how being a wife and mother would apply to men at all. I could never relate to those kinds of things. Is it inherently wrong, however, if she is speaking to particular issues that ladies deal with, such as childhood abuse, and it end up being something that a man could concievably relate to? Should female Bible Teachers such as Moore, Joni Erikson Tada never address issues of abuse in fear that it could possibly relate to a male experience somewhere?

 

[Bandguy]

To go back a bit, someone queried whether or not it was OK to appeal to a woman's emotions. When dealing with teaching Scripture, I'd have to say no (when dealing with watching Oprah, OK). Appealing to emotions sounds rather "Finney-esque" regardless of the intended goal. The idea of appealing to emotions almost sounds like coersion instead of letting the Holy Spirit get to work.

Your point is well taken. I certainly have no desire to allign myself with the heresy of Finney in any manner. May God forgive me if I have.

 

[LadyFlynt]

No, it's not wrong IF they are teaching women...Moore is NOT just teaching women, she is teaching men and preaches/teaches from the pulpit as well.

 

[Davidius]

No, it's not wrong IF they are teaching women...Moore is NOT just teaching women, she is teaching men and preaches/teaches from the pulpit as well.

Yes, she shares the teaching platform with men such as John Piper at the Passion college conference every year, teaching about things that definitely are not female-specific and definitely not to a female audience.

 

[Andrew P.C.]

I can certainly understand about how childhood abuse could apply to a man. I don't, however, see how being a wife and mother would apply to men at all. I could never relate to those kinds of things. Is it inherently wrong, however, if she is speaking to particular issues that ladies deal with, such as childhood abuse, and it end up being something that a man could concievably relate to? Should female Bible Teachers such as Moore, Joni Erikson Tada never address issues of abuse in fear that it could possibly relate to a male experience somewhere?

My question is(sincerly): Where do we see female bible teachers in the old days?(Obviously besides the gnostics, which is not true christianity. As Phil Johnson calls it "the mother of all heresies."

 

[Andrew P.C.]

Yes, she shares the teaching platform with men such as John Piper at the Passion college conference every year, teaching about things that definitely are not female-specific and definitely not to a female audience.

John Piper? Seriously?

 

[Bandguy]

Yes, she shares the teaching platform with men such as John Piper at the Passion college conference every year, teaching about things that definitely are not female-specific and definitely not to a female audience.

Now that is a surprising revelation. I never thought of Piper as one who would go for something like that.

 

[Bandguy]

My question is(sincerly): Where do we see female bible teachers in the old days?(Obviously besides the gnostics, which is not true christianity. As Phil Johnson calls it "the mother of all heresies."

Do you believe that Joni Erickson Tada is a heretic? I am thinking there is something in the Bible about the older women teaching the younger women.

 

[Andrew P.C.]

Do you believe that Joni Erickson Tada is a heretic? I am thinking there is something in the Bible about the older women teaching the younger women.

I dont know the girl, brother.

Yes indeed. Titus 2. Not doctrine though.

3Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, (F)not malicious gossips nor (G)enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good,

4so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children,

5to be sensible, pure, (H)workers at home, kind, being (I)subject to their own husbands, (J)so that the word of God will not be dishonored.(NASB)

 

[Andrew P.C.]

Now that is a surprising revelation. I never thought of Piper as one who would go for something like that.

I think there needs to be some prrof of this before jumping to assumptions.

 

[Davidius]

Now that is a surprising revelation. I never thought of Piper as one who would go for something like that.

Same here, with the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood and all.

 

[Andrew P.C.]

Same here, with the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood and all.

Brother, do you have proof? I would really like to see this.

 

[Bandguy]

I dont know the girl, brother.

Yes indeed. Titus 2. Not doctrine though.

3Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, (F)not malicious gossips nor (G)enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good,

4so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children,

5to be sensible, pure, (H)workers at home, kind, being (I)subject to their own husbands, (J)so that the word of God will not be dishonored.(NASB)

If they are not teaching doctrine, then what does their teaching have to do with the Word of God not being dishonored? Looking at the list of things they are to teach the younger women, I see some things that are taught within the Word of God. Would you not call that doctrine (e.g. Subject to their own husbands)?

 

[Andrew P.C.]

If they are not teaching doctrine, then what does their teaching have to do with the Word of God not being dishonored? Looking at the list of things they are to teach the younger women, I see some things that are taught within the Word of God. Would you not call that doctrine (e.g. Subject to their own husbands)?

Is that not wisdom rather then knowledge?

 

[Bandguy]

Is that not wisdom rather then knowledge?

Of course it is wisdom. It is also doctrinal teachings directly from the Word of God.

 

[Andrew P.C.]

Of course it is wisdom. It is also doctrinal teachings directly from the Word of God.

Sure, from a practical standpoint.

 

[Davidius]

Brother, do you have proof? I would really like to see this.

See this link:

https://www.268store.com/268store.php?m=product_list&c=9

Boxed set includes 10 messages from 6 main sessions with speakers Louie Giglio, John Piper and Beth Moore, plus 4 breakout sessions with Beth Moore, Greg Matte, Tim Elmore and Tim Hughes.

This is how it is at every Passion conference.

 

[Andrew P.C.]

See this link:

https://www.268store.com/268store.php?m=product_list&c=9



This is how it is at every Passion conference.

Wow, that really sucks.