Puritanhead
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Studying theology while eating pretzels, and drinking lager ales...
Can a Christian in good conscience open a pub....
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Studying theology while eating pretzels, and drinking lager ales...
Puritanhead
Puritan Board Professor
I guess that precludes my former roommate from "opening a pub..." We had all of the above, and a threat of eviction! I loathed my situation.
As I said before......"Maybe in Europe."
[Edited on 1-18-2006 by puritancovenanter]
[Edited on 1-18-2006 by puritancovenanter]
Michael Butterfield
Puritan Board Freshman
Bolderdash!
Michael Butterfield
Puritan Board Freshman
You know guys, I suppose I like the 16th and 17th centuries better than most. I even, with you, pine for the "œglory" days. It is nice to talk about these subjects in the sanctified and sanitized confines of a board such as this. There are, however, stark realities about the present zeitgeist that so completely mitigate against such a plan that it will not and cannot fly in our generation or in our day. You know it! We love the thirteenth century laws. I even drink Beck´s Dark because it is the beer that Martin Luther drank
. It´s true! Look on the bottle and it will say "œBrewed under the German purity law of 1516". That is close enough to 1517 for me. Anyway, whether we like it or not our weaker brethren you are not thinking of. It is certainly a lack of love in the very least that would be demonstrated by such an absurd suggestion as a Christian pub that can glorify the Lord. Really. I know every one of you and you and am convinced it would be an utter failure in attaining the goal. It might not be you that causes the problem, but it would be someone. Oh, and please, do not give me the argument that we cannot allow the weaker brother to set the bounds of our liberty. He is exactly the one who does set the bounds of your liberty.
. It´s true! Look on the bottle and it will say "œBrewed under the German purity law of 1516". That is close enough to 1517 for me. Anyway, whether we like it or not our weaker brethren you are not thinking of. It is certainly a lack of love in the very least that would be demonstrated by such an absurd suggestion as a Christian pub that can glorify the Lord. Really. I know every one of you and you and am convinced it would be an utter failure in attaining the goal. It might not be you that causes the problem, but it would be someone. Oh, and please, do not give me the argument that we cannot allow the weaker brother to set the bounds of our liberty. He is exactly the one who does set the bounds of your liberty.Originally posted by Michael Butterfield
You know guys, I suppose I like the 16th and 17th centuries better than most. I even, with you, pine for the "œglory" days. It is nice to talk about these subjects in the sanctified and sanitized confines of a board such as this. There are, however, stark realities about the present zeitgeist that so completely mitigate against such a plan that it will not and cannot fly in our generation or in our day. You know it! We love the thirteenth century laws. I even drink Beck´s Dark because it is the beer that Martin Luther drank
Michael, your post made me think of something but i don't want to derail this thread so i hope you don't mind if i make your post a springboard for another topic.
biblelighthouse
Puritan Board Junior
No, I think Peter Coors is Roman Catholic . . . at least a lot of people are saying that:
http://blog.au.org/2004/04/denvers_archbis.html
http://www.blinne.org/blog/religion/
http://coloradoluis.typepad.com/blog/2004/04/backlash.html
alwaysreforming
Puritan Board Sophomore
I think the detractors of this idea assume that a "Bar" inherently attracts immoral, flambouantly immoral, people.
What makes a bar is the "social norms" that are established inside, led by the owners and employees, and ratified by the clientele.
When idiots come in with their loud raucous and boisterous conduct, if its frowned upon, they either "conform", or leave. A Pub could easily build the clientele and atmosphere it seeks if it proactively steers the ship everyday and chops away everything indecent and reinforces those things that are good.
If people like "games", then they go to a sports bar. If they like "bumping and grinding", they go to a "party" bar.
And if "cheating" is what people are into, they can do that anywhere. A Christian Pub would be no more conducive to that than anywhere else.
There is no reason why Christian ownership couldn't foster an atmosphere of fun, relaxation, and good conversation, and serve his/her community by offering great customer service and quality of product in this arena. If Pubs were meant to be enjoyed in ages past, the same can be true today.
However, the original question asked about "from a strictly business standpoint", on which I don't think it is a very good idea. When you want to cater to Christians, its the pop evangelicalism that has all the money simply because the numbers are so large. To market a bar like this to Reformation-minded individuals would probably be inefficient; there simply is not a great enough concentration of them to be your potential clients.
What makes a bar is the "social norms" that are established inside, led by the owners and employees, and ratified by the clientele.
When idiots come in with their loud raucous and boisterous conduct, if its frowned upon, they either "conform", or leave. A Pub could easily build the clientele and atmosphere it seeks if it proactively steers the ship everyday and chops away everything indecent and reinforces those things that are good.
If people like "games", then they go to a sports bar. If they like "bumping and grinding", they go to a "party" bar.
And if "cheating" is what people are into, they can do that anywhere. A Christian Pub would be no more conducive to that than anywhere else.
There is no reason why Christian ownership couldn't foster an atmosphere of fun, relaxation, and good conversation, and serve his/her community by offering great customer service and quality of product in this arena. If Pubs were meant to be enjoyed in ages past, the same can be true today.
However, the original question asked about "from a strictly business standpoint", on which I don't think it is a very good idea. When you want to cater to Christians, its the pop evangelicalism that has all the money simply because the numbers are so large. To market a bar like this to Reformation-minded individuals would probably be inefficient; there simply is not a great enough concentration of them to be your potential clients.
Michael Butterfield
Puritan Board Freshman
This is exactly what happens in a bar. They inherently attract . . .
VirginiaHuguenot
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The White Horse Tavern in Cambridge, England is generally considered to the birthplace of the Cambridge wing of English Puritanism.
Anton Bruckner
Puritan Board Professor
WOW
Michael Butterfield
Puritan Board Freshman
One should never say never, so I won't. But that 16th century example is not likely to happen in the 21st century.
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