First Official *Contest* at A Puritan's Mind for the PB

Discussion in 'A Puritan's Mind Updates' started by C. Matthew McMahon, Apr 14, 2006.

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  1. turmeric

    turmeric Megerator

    My guess...some 20th Century seminary professor used it in class and it took off. That's why we can't find it, it's in someone's lesson plan somewhere. Post-Warfield, pre-Gerstner.
     
  2. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Puritan Board Doctor

    I've found several instances of Spurgeon expositions of the Five Points in familiar order, including here but he generally uses Human Depravity for Total Depravity, etc.

    Other writers of this era, including A.A. Hodge generally seem to use the WCF term effectual calling instead of TULIP's irresistible grace.
     
  3. C. Matthew McMahon

    C. Matthew McMahon Christian Preacher

    Wow, lots of god stuff thus far!

    The prize yet awaits!
     
  4. youthevang

    youthevang Puritan Board Freshman

    This may not be the answer but I found them interesting.

    From Calvinism Made Simple


    From Sermon Audio
     
  5. fivepointcalvinist

    fivepointcalvinist Puritan Board Sophomore

    We all know that the Calvinist flower is the TULIP. But how many of you knew that the Arminian flower is the DAISY?

    "œHe loves me"¦ He loves me not"¦ He loves me"¦ He loves me not"¦"
     
  6. Puritan Sailor

    Puritan Sailor Puritan Board Doctor

    I've got another lead, but it will have to wait until I get to the library.

    So far Boettner in 1932 is the earliest?
     
  7. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Puritan Board Doctor

    No one has posted anything here suggesting they have found an explicit use of TULIP earlier. Someone said that Shedd uses 4 of the 5 terms, which suggests that he may have been familiar with the acrostic.
     
  8. fivepointcalvinist

    fivepointcalvinist Puritan Board Sophomore

    aha! i may have it!

    from:

    TULIPs or ROSES

    :detective:

    [Edited on 4-17-2006 by fivepointcalvinist]
     
  9. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    Anyone check SERMONS ON THE FIVE POINTS OF CALVINISM by WILLIAM PARKS? Originally preached 1856 and often reprinted and still in print. I don't have the work.
     
  10. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Puritan Board Doctor

    I seem to recall Spurgeon referencing the Five Points but not mentioning TULIP explicitly. The substance was there, but particular redemption is used instead of limited atonement, etc.
     
  11. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    I think Warfield does the same thing in his article on Calvinism in his Shorter Writings.
     
  12. C. Matthew McMahon

    C. Matthew McMahon Christian Preacher

    If you can quote the source for this place, you win: "The tulip-clad fields of Holland provided the Reformed church with the acrostic which has helped many to recall the central theses of Calvinism."

    Where did the Reformed Church in Holland say this? Do you have a source for it? ;)
     
  13. fivepointcalvinist

    fivepointcalvinist Puritan Board Sophomore

    im hurrying!!! :lol:
     
  14. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Puritan Board Doctor

    Did the Reformed Church in Holland say this? When the author refers to the "Reformed Church" I took it to mean the Reformed Church in general, not specifically Dutch Reformed, although I could be wrong. The quote is from a book review in the OPC magazine and the book reviewed is one in which Timothy George comes up with ROSES as a substitute for TULIP. Perhaps the tulips in Holland gave whoever formulated TULIP the idea for it.

    [Edited on 4-17-2006 by Pilgrim]
     
  15. turmeric

    turmeric Megerator

    Who first used the terms "Limited Atonement" instead of "Particular Atonement" and "irresistible Grace" instead of "Efficacious Grace"? If you don't have those particular (no pun intended) words, you don't have the acrostic. In fact, people don't like to use different phrases without apology because it messes up the acrostic. So there's the clue possibly.
     
  16. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    :lol:
     
  17. Puritan Sailor

    Puritan Sailor Puritan Board Doctor

    I thought it was interesting that Boettner didn't use Total Depravity but Total Inability. I wonder who introduced Total Depravity.....
     
  18. fivepointcalvinist

    fivepointcalvinist Puritan Board Sophomore

    :candle: i have emailed the author for his reference. will get back in the am...
     
  19. fivepointcalvinist

    fivepointcalvinist Puritan Board Sophomore

    got a response back from the author:

    :banghead::banghead::banghead:

    [Edited on 4-17-2006 by fivepointcalvinist]
     
  20. fivepointcalvinist

    fivepointcalvinist Puritan Board Sophomore

    thought this was interesting:

     
  21. fivepointcalvinist

    fivepointcalvinist Puritan Board Sophomore

    i think its implied that at the synod itself, those present were inspired by the concurrent fascination/interest in tulips. i think its reasonable to say that the acrostic was a concensus rather than something proposed by one man...
     
  22. matthew11v25

    matthew11v25 Puritan Board Sophomore

    I thought the acrostic TULIP was developed atleast after the Canons of Dordt were translated into english.

    found this reference:

    by Arie Leder
     
  23. matthew11v25

    matthew11v25 Puritan Board Sophomore

    Though it may have been established like a consensus, I am guessing that someone still came up with the original idea. I may be wrong, but that is my thought.
     
  24. fivepointcalvinist

    fivepointcalvinist Puritan Board Sophomore

    well i will definitely concede to the fact that the acronym was likely originated in an english speaking culture. why? tulip the flower in dutch is translated t-u-l-p. no irresistible grace!
     
  25. Puritan Sailor

    Puritan Sailor Puritan Board Doctor

    :banana:
    Looks like I'm still in the lead :)
     
  26. polemic_turtle

    polemic_turtle Puritan Board Freshman

    boy, I give up! I probably earned near that today working, so I'll just give up for now and order myself something nice.

    Like Turrentin's Institutes of Elenctic Theology for $75 from Walmart.com
     
  27. Bladestunner316

    Bladestunner316 Puritan Board Doctor

    weird at wallmart??
     
  28. MeanieCalvinist

    MeanieCalvinist Puritan Board Freshman


    Great idea... what a great deal on the set!
     
  29. VirginiaHuguenot

    VirginiaHuguenot Puritanboard Librarian

    :ditto: Wow, that's a remarkable price! Wal-Mart? :candle:
     
  30. VirginiaHuguenot

    VirginiaHuguenot Puritanboard Librarian

    So is the contest over? Did Patrick get the prize? What's the official verdict? Inquiring minds would like to know. :D
     
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