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Likely none of us saw the Super Bowl "He gets us" ads, but the rebuttals videos have been flying around. As I understand it, Hobby Lobby paid for the originals, so the left wasn't thrilled either. I thought this was an interesting article giving perspective to the actual ads.
 
I disagree completely with the author of the article to which you link.

Implicit in his writing and posting his piece is a lack of appreciation for the egregious errors and intentional social guiding pressures contained in the “he gets us” commercial.
 
The author of the article says "In the wake of the bellicose criticisms, I saw a very powerful alternate video. It pictured several people who, having lived an unsatisfactory life of sin (as Augustine described it, a life incurvatus in se – turned in on itself), had turned to Christ and found true fulfillment. The video showed pictures of people who had been delivered from drug use, homo and heterosexual sin, witchcraft, cults, and other self-destructive lifestyles. At the end, it said of Jesus: “He not only gets us - he saves us, delivers us, changes us, carries us, forgives us, loves us” (or words to that effect). It was powerful and moving."

Well this is not what I saw at least.
I actually don't know what to make of it. I just watched the advert and am left quite frankly bemused.
Following some rather strange computer generated images of various people washing the feet of other people, the message that "Jesus washed feet" and "He gets us" could mean a thousand different things to different people.

Perhaps this is what is causing so much controversy.. that there is no clear message.

The most clear message to my mind, as it is trained by modernity, is "Jesus didn't teach hate" being the common (and most often) liberal argument against both real and falsely perceived hatred in fundamentalist and otherwise conservative Christianity. And the emphasis of images displaying clearly the most behaviourally and culturally diverse range of people bolstered my thinking that this is meant to be about progressive liberalism because that is their most common agenda.

On the other hand, as a Christian I understand the meaning of Jesus' washing the feet of His disciples in the upper room being about how our Lord teaches us that He came not to be served but to serve, that though He is pure He washes every part of His disciples in the condescension of His grace from every sinful defilement, and how we as His Church are to serve one another in love following His example - John 13:13-17.
But since the video divorces the message from its context I have no idea how an unbeliever would take it.
 
I shared on my FB page an edited version of something posted by Robert Gagnon:

Concerning the "He Gets Us" Super Bowl ad:
Jesus did NOT wash the sinful woman's feet, but rather it was the sinful woman who washed Jesus' feet with her tears, and wiped his feet with her hair, as a sign of her repentance, at which Jesus forgave her sins (Luke 7:36-50).
Jesus washed his disciples' feet, not the feet of those who did not follow him, as a sign both of his washing away their sins by his atoning death and of their need to serve one another (John 13:1-17). Yes, Jesus washed even Judas' feet, but even in that case Judas had publicly committed to follow Jesus and as far as the other disciples were aware was one of their number: a Christ follower.
Rather than going around washing the feet of non-followers, Jesus went around proclaiming, "The time is fulfilled and the Kingdom of God is at hand: Repent and believe in the gospel" (Mark 1:15). His ultimate act of service was going to the cross to make satisfaction for the sins of those he came to save.
Preaching repentance from sin - for we indeed are dead in our trespasses and sins - and faith in Christ alone for the forgiveness of sins is not a message of "hate," but rather a message of love and is our primary service in the world as the continuation of the ministry of reconciliation given to the apostles as the foundation of the Church by the Lord himself.
 
The author of the article says "In the wake of the bellicose criticisms, I saw a very powerful alternate video. It pictured several people who, having lived an unsatisfactory life of sin (as Augustine described it, a life incurvatus in se – turned in on itself), had turned to Christ and found true fulfillment. The video showed pictures of people who had been delivered from drug use, homo and heterosexual sin, witchcraft, cults, and other self-destructive lifestyles. At the end, it said of Jesus: “He not only gets us - he saves us, delivers us, changes us, carries us, forgives us, loves us” (or words to that effect). It was powerful and moving."

Well this is not what I saw at least.
I actually don't know what to make of it. I just watched the advert and am left quite frankly bemused.
Following some rather strange computer generated images of various people washing the feet of other people, the message that "Jesus washed feet" and "He gets us" could mean a thousand different things to different people.
I think the confusion is that there are two different videos. The one during the Super Bowl was the Leftist one -- "He gets us" with all the footwashing. Then a day or two later, someone else produced a "He saves us" video, which was actually very good.
 
Aaron Renn had a piece in the Aquila Report on the He Gets It campaign today. Sees it as basically recycled mainline liberal Protestantism. He also pointed out that once again, prolifers were thrown under the bus.

 
I think the confusion is that there are two different videos. The one during the Super Bowl was the Leftist one -- "He gets us" with all the footwashing. Then a day or two later, someone else produced a "He saves us" video, which was actually very good.
They may be talking about this ad. Otherwise known as the "One They Should Have Shown."

Ah, that would make a lot more sense!
I misunderstood that part of the article.
 
There's a lot in the article I disagree with, but most has been noted already by others. One thing I'll add, in response to this portion:
I found myself asking questions of the creators of this video: If this is what should have been aired on the Super Bowl, why didn’t you amass the funds to do so? Video software is cheap, and anyone can upload anything to YouTube for free. It doesn’t take much commitment to do that. If this was the commercial that should have been on the Super Bowl, why didn’t you, the critics and creators of the alternate, see to it that it was?

In his commentary treating Luke 9:38 ("Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us,” ESV), J.C. Ryle excoriated those of sectarian spirit who deny and drive away anyone doing good in the Lord’s name who is not of their tribe or clique, and who doesn’t do things the way they themselves did or would. In this case it is “. . . or would.” For they didn’t. They could have as easily as the other group taken out advertising during the Super Bowl. They chose not to. I will not hazard to guess as to what motivated them not to do so, but it’s clear that the He gets us campaign thought the money ($7,000,000 for thirty seconds) was well-spent to introduce people to Jesus and correct the current misunderstandings about him, misunderstandings created probably not by most Christians and churches, but certainly by those which garner media attention.
This criticism honestly strikes me as absurd. For one thing, it's not hard to imagine why someone wouldn't think this is the best way to spend $7 million, even with a good video. But also, does he really think it's easy to amass that much money for a Superbowl ad? That statement made it hard to see the article as a whole as a good-faith argument.
 
There's a lot in the article I disagree with, but most has been noted already by others. One thing I'll add, in response to this portion:

This criticism honestly strikes me as absurd. For one thing, it's not hard to imagine why someone wouldn't think this is the best way to spend $7 million, even with a good video. But also, does he really think it's easy to amass that much money for a Superbowl ad? That statement made it hard to see the article as a whole as a good-faith argument.
Yeah I thought that part was ridiculously naive at best.
 
That ad must have struck me differently. I thought it was trying to subvert progressive ideas, not support them.

Not that I think Jesus really needs TV ads. But if you were going to make one for him, that one is subversive enough that it hits the mark in some ways. And the article Jean linked to makes some points that are worth considering.
 
That ad must have struck me differently. I thought it was trying to subvert progressive ideas, not support them.

Not that I think Jesus really needs TV ads. But if you were going to make one for him, that one is subversive enough that it hits the mark in some ways. And the article Jean linked to makes some points that are worth considering.
Yeah, you're not watching it in accordance with their intent. There's a reason why the woman about to get an abortion is having her feet washed while the mean-faced pro-life protestors are in the background when the word HATE pops on the screen. There's a reason why it is the woman about to get an abortion who is having her feet washed... and not the "hateful" pro-life protestors. There's a reason why it shows an LGTBQ advocate having their feet washed, but not a hateful "Westboro Baptist" protestor.

This ad shows what "sins" are acceptable to Zeitgeist Jesus and which ones are not and, for the social conditioning angle: these should be for you as well.
 
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As for the author commending the "He Gets Us" ad as some form of "evangelism":

Matthew 23:15 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
 
When I saw the ad, my vision prevented me from seeing what was going on.

I think the article in the OP is surprisingly daft, given that the writer is an OPC Pastor.

It's not that I have a problem with someone spending the money for a Super Bowl commercial about Jesus, but the "Jesus" being promoted is shown as basically "Loving," while the Church itself is all about hate.

That's to say that the Bride of Christ is depicted in the Ad as being all about hate in the things it opposes (abortion, LGBT, etc) while Jesus "Loves" these people.

Are there Christians who are hateful in their approach to persons trapped in the Nation's idolatries? Certainly. The problem is that this campaign falls into the standard cultural tropes that depict Evangelicals as a power bloc or a bunch of haters.

I don't understand how it is "subversive" to depict Christ serving unrepentant sinners. What I see is a commercial pitting Christ against His Bride. Or at the very least a commercial that only depicts Jesus' Bride in the way the Culture sees it and not how He sees it.
 
This is "the left's view."

https://www.texasobserver.org/he-gets-us-campaign-superbowl-Jesus/

(You can close the subscription screen up in the lefthand corner.)

From this viewpoint, the ads are pushed by a pro-life, young-earth, Bible-as- inerrent radical group. What's odd is that the stated source here, Servant Foundation, may no longer be involved.

I'm not fond of the approach of the original ad, but I do understand from a communications perspective that you aren't going to get those who are against you to leap into your camp with a single sound bite. What if, and I understand it's a big if, the idea is to show that no sin is so big that one cannot find grace in Christ?
 
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These commercials bring to mind that quote...I can't remember the author.

"If we only preach the gospel though our lifestyle, the only ones we testify to are ourselves." Something to that extent.

If they want to reach people for Christ, PREACH THE GOSPEL. That is the power of God to salvation, not vague picture plays.
 
What if, and I understand it's a big if, the idea is to show that no sin is so big that one cannot find grace in Christ?
If that was their aim, then there was no need to have a scene intentionally portraying those who protest abortion as hateful. Not to mention the fact that some of the people whose feet were being washed were not obviously guilty of any particular sin. If that was the message they were going for, this was not the way to get it across.
From this viewpoint, the ads are pushed by a pro-life, young-earth, Bible-as- inerrent radical group. What's odd is that the stated source here, Servant Foundation, may no longer be involved.
That, I think, helps to demonstrate that we're never going to succeed in making the gospel palatable to a world full of born God-haters.
 
These commercials bring to mind that quote...I can't remember the author.

"If we only preach the gospel though our lifestyle, the only ones we testify to are ourselves." Something to that extent.

If they want to reach people for Christ, PREACH THE GOSPEL. That is the power of God to salvation, not vague picture plays.
If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard “preach the gospel, use words if you have to,” I would be moving up in the tax brackets.
 
If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard “preach the gospel, use words if you have to,” I would be moving up in the tax brackets.
I think that it is false application of Francis of Assisi. Since many of the peoples the early Franciscans encountered didn’t speak Latin or Italian, they play acted biblical stories.
 
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These commercials bring to mind that quote...I can't remember the author.

"If we only preach the gospel though our lifestyle, the only ones we testify to are ourselves." Something to that extent.

If they want to reach people for Christ, PREACH THE GOSPEL. That is the power of God to salvation, not vague picture plays.

If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard “preach the gospel, use words if you have to,” I would be moving up in the tax brackets.

I believe that phrase has some value, if it's applied in the same manner as 1 Peter 3:1-2. However, it is often misapplied to contradict 1 Peter 3:15. In the broad sphere of Christian influence, there seems to be a false notion that word and deed are mutually exclusive.
 
What if, and I understand it's a big if, the idea is to show that no sin is so big that one cannot find grace in Christ?
Yes, I thought they were aiming for something close to that. I felt the intent was to start with people who are different from each other in small ways (age, social group, etc.) and progress toward portraying people whom the world claims Christians hate. Those people are also depicted as needy. They're needy due to circumstances, injustice, false messages the world is giving them—and they are needy due to their sin. People in trouble are complicated that way, but the love of Christ spans all those needs. His reaction to needy, troubled (and yes, trapped-in-sin) people is not hate but love. That's the truth amid all the false perceptions.

Or something like that. I too wonder about the whole idea of a Super Bowl ad, and I think it may have left its message too ambiguous. But as it struck me, the message was not that far off from the gospel. And it had enough "No, don't show that!" in it to leave both Christ's enemies and his admirers complaining. Reminds me a bit of Jesus' interaction with Zacchaeus.

I don't know where folks get the idea that the people having their feet washed were unrepentant or particularly hostile to Christ. To me, they all looked receptive enough. If anything, I would think letting your feet be washed signals repentance, or at least an openness to Christ, rather than hostility. Anyway, that's how it struck me.

the mean-faced pro-life protestors are in the background when the word HATE pops on the screen.
a scene intentionally portraying those who protest abortion as hateful.
I agree that portraying abortion protesters as hateful would be bad, but I didn't see that in the ad. Are there different versions? In the version I saw, the abortion protesters looked gentle, not at all like the bad stereotype found in movies. I thought the person washing the feet might have even come from the group of protesters, who were kind folk like her. Maybe we see what we expect to see. I expected an ad from the Hobby Lobby camp, who have a history of being broadly pro-life and gospel-affirming, and that's what I saw.
 
I agree that portraying abortion protesters as hateful would be bad, but I didn't see that in the ad. Are there different versions? In the version I saw, the abortion protesters looked gentle, not at all like the bad stereotype found in movies. I thought the person washing the feet might have even come from the group of protesters, who were kind folk like her. Maybe we see what we expect to see. I expected an ad from the Hobby Lobby camp, who have a history of being broadly pro-life and gospel-affirming, and that's what I saw.
At the very least, this speaks to the poor design of the ad, whatever the intent might have been. But when you have a large group of people engaged in an activity that the culture would describe as hateful, juxtaposed to someone doing a very different activity that's clearly supposed to represent love, and there are no indicators in the video itself connecting the two, it's hard not to see that as indicating contrast and difference rather than association and likeness.
 
At the very least, this speaks to the poor design of the ad, whatever the intent might have been. But when you have a large group of people engaged in an activity that the culture would describe as hateful, juxtaposed to someone doing a very different activity that's clearly supposed to represent love, and there are no indicators in the video itself connecting the two, it's hard not to see that as indicating contrast and difference rather than association and likeness.
I see how the culture might have conditioned us to think that any abortion protest we see on TV must be intending to make us think "hate." But it's really hard for me to look at this image and think the creators meant to depict hateful people.
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Rather, it seems to me the artist went out of his way to paint the abortion protesters as peaceful. They are not yelling, not harassing, not blocking anything—none of those stereotypes. Even their signs give an excellent pro-life message that communicates concern to save the unborn rather than uncaring attitudes toward young moms. The pro-life views of this advertiser are kept subtle (which is often the most effective way to do it), but seem clear to me.

If the artist had wanted to send a message that abortion protesters are hateful, he could have made them look more like the one picture in the ad that does depict angry people.
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Notice how the background people in this second picture are very different from the group of abortion protesters seen earlier. These people are angry and potentially violent. The ad wisely keeps it unclear what exactly the angry people are fighting over, but it was careful to make the pro-life cause a different matter. Those people and these people are different.

In a society where the progressives keep telling us that concern for the unborn is just another form of hatred, it's refreshing to see something on TV that knows the difference.
 
I see how the culture might have conditioned us to think that any abortion protest we see on TV must be intending to make us think "hate." But it's really hard for me to look at this image and think the creators meant to depict hateful people.
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Rather, it seems to me the artist went out of his way to paint the abortion protesters as peaceful. They are not yelling, not harassing, not blocking anything—none of those stereotypes. Even their signs give an excellent pro-life message that communicates concern to save the unborn rather than uncaring attitudes toward young moms. The pro-life views of this advertiser are kept subtle (which is often the most effective way to do it), but seem clear to me.

If the artist had wanted to send a message that abortion protesters are hateful, he could have made them look more like the one picture in the ad that does depict angry people.
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Notice how the background people in this second picture are very different from the group of abortion protesters seen earlier. These people are angry and potentially violent. The ad wisely keeps it unclear what exactly the angry people are fighting over, but it was careful to make the pro-life cause a different matter. Those people and these people are different.

In a society where the progressives keep telling us that concern for the unborn is just another form of hatred, it's refreshing to see something on TV that knows the difference.
Fair enough; I'll admit that my focus was more on the juxtaposition than on the specific way in which the protesters were portrayed. But I still think the juxtaposition bears more weight than the specific portrayal of the protesters. I think Aaron Renn (link to his article posted by someone else in an earlier comment) has the right read:
The ad shows a woman washing the feet of another young woman who apparently just had an abortion. Meanwhile in the background there is a group of anti-abortion protestors (their signs are hard to read in this image but are anti-abortion statements like “save the unborn”). They are talking amongst themselves and completely ignoring the girl. In this scene, they are clearly the bad guys.
And again, even if that's not the right understanding of the intent behind the image, it's a pretty natural way to understand it. Even if your understanding is correct, it's far too subtle to be effective. We really have to take seriously how strong the cultural association is going to be between protesting abortion and hate, especially in an ad in which, "Jesus didn't preach hate," is pretty much the only message.

Speaking of which, you also said earlier that you found the message of the ad to be "not too far off from the gospel." But what is the message of the ad? The only words in the whole thing are, "Jesus didn't teach hate. He washed feet. He gets us. All of us. Jesus." That's fine, so far as it goes, but the problem is that it doesn't go very far and thus permits a wide variety of interpretations--which problem is aggravated by the fact that the interpretation of the creators of the video is the wrong one. If you read their explanation of the video on the page to which the video directs you, it's all about loving and serving each other, even people very different from ourselves, without a single word about the actual content of the gospel. "Love your neighbor" is not the gospel, but it is the message of the ad.
 
I see how the culture might have conditioned us to think that any abortion protest we see on TV must be intending to make us think "hate." But it's really hard for me to look at this image and think the creators meant to depict hateful people.
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Rather, it seems to me the artist went out of his way to paint the abortion protesters as peaceful. They are not yelling, not harassing, not blocking anything—none of those stereotypes. Even their signs give an excellent pro-life message that communicates concern to save the unborn rather than uncaring attitudes toward young moms. The pro-life views of this advertiser are kept subtle (which is often the most effective way to do it), but seem clear to me.

If the artist had wanted to send a message that abortion protesters are hateful, he could have made them look more like the one picture in the ad that does depict angry people.
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Notice how the background people in this second picture are very different from the group of abortion protesters seen earlier. These people are angry and potentially violent. The ad wisely keeps it unclear what exactly the angry people are fighting over, but it was careful to make the pro-life cause a different matter. Those people and these people are different.

In a society where the progressives keep telling us that concern for the unborn is just another form of hatred, it's refreshing to see something on TV that knows the difference.
I completely disagree with your assessment. And what’s more, I think your assessment is illustrative of something about what is wrong and why Christians can’t change things: because there’s always someone trying to argue for the merits of what is bad. There’s always someone trying to call good what we rightly see as problematic. Just stop.

Anyway, y’all can have fun second guessing what countless of the best Christian minds have agreed. Peace out!
 
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Anyway, y’all can have fun second guessing what countless of the best Christian minds have agreed. Peace out!
This is the second time this month I have noticed you drop a rhetorical bomb and then be content to leave the conversation.

This is neither appropriate nor edifying. If you don’t have the wherewithal or interest to see the discussion (debate?) through to the end, it’s probably best to refrain from joining. Or at least refrain from such inappropriate departing comments, please.
 
This is the second time this month I have noticed you drop a rhetorical bomb and then be content to leave the conversation.

This is neither appropriate nor edifying. If you don’t have the wherewithal or interest to see the discussion (debate?) through to the end, it’s probably best to refrain from joining. Or at least refrain from such inappropriate departing comments, please.
I do agree with this, but I also agree with Solas comment on Jack's assessment. We need to stop supporting the trash that progressive "Christians" put out. It's the wrong message to support.
 
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