Absolutely agree with this. There are many cases where an individual struggling with post traumatic stress exhibits physical symptoms. Headaches, digestive issues, and weight gain are a few examples of physical issues that are common in people who have unresolved trauma. Memory issues are also strongly linked with trauma.
I appreciated your post! Thanks so much for weighing in.
He is more or less a Platonist or Cartesian at this point, which is ironic given that biblicists eschew philosophy. You cannot avoid doing philosophy, only doing bad philosophy. JMac did bad philosophy.
This sadly is one of the things I kind of dislike about MacArthur. While Christians should take a stand and speak the truth of Gods Word in all areas of life, I have noticed a trend with MacArthur where he asserts himself an expert in areas well outside his expertise. He did it with COVID, and now he is doing it with Mental Health. I understand his fervency to make the Bible preeminent, but the Bible was never meant to be a medical textbook.
MaCarthur did research and cited his sources properly and you're saying he can't have an option? That's a ridiculous take. He's allowed to do research and assert a well researched opinion.
What expertise did he claim with COVID?
MacArthur cited the few opinions that agreed with him. That is why he promotes only a few select authors on the subject instead of saying something like "go out and pick up a stack of books on the subject, and see what I mean." We are all entitled to have an opinion, but we must know what our position is and the ramifications of our opinion. And for him, it isnt so much the statement, but the small army of MacArthurites who will now, without research, take his words for doctrine, and be "that church" that doesnt believe in mental illness long after he is gone. Either that, or admit their founder was wrong. To assert that "mental illness isnt real," is just ignorant. He is better than that, but, none of us are perfect.
Making statements like he was a virologist or medical doctor, on the dangers or potential dangers of COVID, when he is a theologian. You can look them up at your own convenience. It is one thing to deal with the issue of the governments sway over or under the church. It is another to talk about the ins and outs of a disease as if you have any training in medicine.
We must have a fundamental difference regarding our view of COVID; the statements that I saw seemed to be simple common sense about the whole fiasco.
That could be one of the differences, thinking that issues that take a decade to specialize in, are matters of common sense.
He has to tell you to go do your own research? It's your job to go out and do that. He doesn't need to tell you to do that.
He forced/forces people to do this? People don't act this way with other teachers?
He's not wrong. We are supposed to uncritically assume that you're right and he is wrong?
Says you. I suppose YOU are an expert and therefore your word is final no matter what anyone else thinks.
People were not allowed to have opinions on Covid unless they were virologists or doctors? Well I guess no one should state any opinion unless he or she has a degree in a specific, highly specialized area.
Understood. Trust The Experts.
For a little background, I have been stripped naked and put in rubber rooms, tied to a gurney and forcibly sedated, committed to psych wards, dealt with false realities related to mania, have had several suicide attempts as a result of schizophrenia, and have lived a normal life for the past almost 17 years by Gods grace through daily medication. So yes, his statement that mental illness doesnt exist is plain ignorant, and laughable to anybody who has actually suffered from it.
When I was in college I had an expert with a post doc degree give me a totally absurd explanation of what Calvinism is. I'm so glad all those undergrad students took her seriously because she was an expert.
And I'm sure people who had the same treatment and disagree with you are also ignorant, because they are actually out there.
No, I am more concerned with people who have never dealt with this issue at all (either personally or practicionately) making such claims. Again, MacArthur sometimes thinks his Dr. stretches farther than theology.
Or maybe these people? This is the group the above gentleman is associated with.
Anyone who disagrees with davesjonesrescue is ignorant and I'm disrespectful? Please be specific. If that's true I'll make it right, but I have not labeled anyone here as ignorant. It's becoming clear to me that this board has clear biases and an implicit requirement to agree with the consensus - in which case I will happily bow out to keep the peace.
Think about this for a second, what do you think when someone says "the world is flat?" Now what would you think if someone said "cancer, AIDS, diabetes, MS, etc are not real?" Now ask yourself why you would take the statement "mental illness isnt real" any more seriously? That statement, not the man, is ignorant. It has absolutely no basis. Even the Puritans recognized what they would call unreasonable melancholy, frenzies, and madness were out of the realm of the shepherd to address and better left to a physician. And this was hundreds of years ago!
1) I don't think MacArthur has a DMin. To my knowledge he has no formal education beyond a M.Div. and has an honorary doctorate.
Yet, I think the contrast would be 1. not denying mental illness exists, and 2. the need to seek psychiatric treatment for mental illness that do not stem from sin. (or what it seems he is calling "organic") Notice the article from Lambert. He gives significance to the physicians skill and ability to diagnose issues in which he admittingly considers himself unqualified to do. If not, why would he give credence to psychiatric diagnosis' and not instead suggest a completely, non-medicinal biblical approach which would include the stopping of prescribed medication?
I'm leaving this board, but I saw this response and wanted to point out that it was fair and wonderfully written. Whether you agree with him or not, you represented neuthetic counseling accurately and without all the bunk I keep seeing here. Jay Adams was one of my pastor's professors, and all of my pastors practice neuthetic counseling. They have been wonderful. Blessings to you.
Good read. Thank you!
TL;DR but if it's anything like the teacher PD I have gone through the last few years, 'trauma informed' is meaningless garbage that seeks to be so inclusive that it tends to exclude or minimize those who have real trauma. It is also utilized as a way to explain racial disparities.
“Trauma informed care” is full of Marxist ideology and encourages victim mentality.
