National Treasure: Look Close!

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kevin.carroll

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Have any of you seen National Treasure? I must admit I was pleasantly surprised with it. It has been a long time since I saw such a good movie that has so little immoral about it: no murder, no nudity, no adultery, no swearing...

But I wanted to ask if was imagining something. When they find the treasure room and Nicholas Cage's character lights the fires, as the flames leap down the stairs and separate, left and right, look at the box in the middle of the screen. Are my eyes deceiving me, or is that not the Ark of the Covenant?

Poor Indiana...he got the wrong one...
 
I've seen it, and likewise enjoyed it. I'll have to look closer the next time I watch it and see if in fact there is an Ark.
 
I stand with Indiana. The government has the Ark of the Covenant and is waiting to use it on Covenantal Agrarians in the Consolidarity Period (ie, when Hillary rises to Power). It is kinda like Sauron using the One Ring on the Free Peoples.
 
Originally posted by Draught Horse
I stand with Indiana. The government has the Ark of the Covenant and is waiting to use it on Covenantal Agrarians in the Consolidarity Period (ie, when Hillary rises to Power). It is kinda like Sauron using the One Ring on the Free Peoples.

:lol: And only 3 fun-filled years to wait!

Now, now, Sauron did not use his ring on the Free Peoples. It was not a talisman of power...more like a locus of power...sort of like a really, really big (and evil) cell phone batery.
 
Originally posted by kevin.carroll
Have any of you seen National Treasure? I must admit I was pleasantly surprised with it. It has been a long time since I saw such a good movie that has so little immoral about it: no murder, no nudity, no adultery, no swearing...

But I wanted to ask if was imagining something. When they find the treasure room and Nicholas Cage's character lights the fires, as the flames leap down the stairs and separate, left and right, look at the box in the middle of the screen. Are my eyes deceiving me, or is that not the Ark of the Covenant?

Poor Indiana...he got the wrong one...

I will have to look closer next time. I wouldn't doubt they would add it in there. I enjoyed the movie and it was remarkably clean. The masons and conspiracy theorists will love it. It feeds all of their fantasies. :D
 
i saw NT last week and wrote this review for amazon, but i didn't see the ark in the treasure room, i'll look for it on DVD however.

I spend a lot of time arguing online and thinking about how literature presents truth and why we only believe historically and scientifically accurate accounts to be true, anything else is labelled and discarded intellectually as fiction. So please forgive me if i see this theme dominating the movie as well, you know the saying: to a man whose only tool is a hammer, all problems are nails.

The movie is good, compelling, engrossing, absorbing, a good way to spend 2 hours out of the afternoon heat.
It is this link between the artist and his audience, what is believable and persuadable to us that i find useful in the move after leaving the theatre. Is there this enormous wealth hidden under the graveyard just off Wall Street? of course not, but how the author persuades us to believe that it just might be true is marvelous. He does so by realistically giving us enough facts that we find truthful that we jump over the connections to the next set and joyfully embrace the artist's vision, despite it's blatant foolishness. There is enough truth that we suspend disbelief for the important steps, for the awkward things that we would never embrace if presented by themselves. We find the package believable because we recognize the wrapping, in our eagerness to unwrap an adventure and a stimulating chase, we jump to normally unwarranted conclusions.

For example, i watched "Sky Captain" this week. It's mixture of historical and mythical put the whole movie into the comic book genre, fun but unpersuasive. Now are the Masons the descendents of the Knights Templar? Possibly, there has been a rash of books proposing just that for 20 years, but they all are panned and dismissed by the critics. Perhaps the same critics that find this a believable and fun movie, despite the fact that it makes much more unbelievable claims then does _Holy Blood, Holy Grail_. But it does so by leading into the weaknesses of our cultural epistemology not by confronting it directly. This is the secret of such movie successes and the reason for the failure of the literature genre that HB,HG represents. People want to believe the bizzare, the Xfiles garbage, they only want it packaged in historical and scientific wrapping. For it is the wrapping, not the contents that interest most people. They really aren't interested in the science or underlying reasons, they only want the illusion to cover up their itching ears and wandering eyes. We desire to be deceived and seduced, we just don't want to let other people know it and cover it with the legitimatizer of the day-science.

We love racing and outthinking the competition- see the "Amazing Race". We love gadgets and trinkets, toys and things that glitter. But we want to justify these desires by claiming that they are both useful (pragmatic and utilitarian) and good (moral and uplifting). By tying these things together the authors etc of NT both involve us and excuse our weaknesses, justifying our entracement while excusing the fact that we justify the unbelievable by making it look like history. This is the magic of the historical novel, unlike the comic book or the fantasy like Shriek, we can be persuaded that it just might have happened. That it is believable because the package conforms to our societal notions of truthfulness as outlined by science and historical research.

It is the Xfiles phenomena, we unrighteously suspend disbelief because the authors have given us a package wrapped in our favorite and most persuasive stories.
It is Kipling's just so stories updated to the greed of the 21st century with the amazing race thrown in since we love a winner.
and the winner gets not just the pretty girl, the manorhouse on the green but a really hot red sports car.

i just posted it a couple of days ago and have aready got email about it....
 
Originally posted by rmwilliamsjr
It is Kipling's just so stories updated to the greed of the 21st century with the amazing race thrown in since we love a winner. and the winner gets not just the pretty girl, the manorhouse on the green but a really hot red sports car.

An excellent summary of the film. This one gets two big fat thumbs down from me.:down::down: Plus it has Nick Cage in it.:barfy: It's been a long time since I've been so bored at a movie. At least I didn't have to pay for it.;)
 
Originally posted by Plimoth Thom
Originally posted by rmwilliamsjr
It is Kipling's just so stories updated to the greed of the 21st century with the amazing race thrown in since we love a winner. and the winner gets not just the pretty girl, the manorhouse on the green but a really hot red sports car.

An excellent summary of the film. This one gets two big fat thumbs down from me.:down::down: Plus it has Nick Cage in it.:barfy: It's been a long time since I've been so bored at a movie. At least I didn't have to pay for it.;)

Bored? What do you find interesting? (Please don't say a foreign film...:pray2:)
 
Originally posted by kevin.carroll
Originally posted by Draught Horse
I stand with Indiana. The government has the Ark of the Covenant and is waiting to use it on Covenantal Agrarians in the Consolidarity Period (ie, when Hillary rises to Power). It is kinda like Sauron using the One Ring on the Free Peoples.

:lol: And only 3 fun-filled years to wait!

We get Hilary in 3 years? Are you guys sure the Dispensationalists are wrong about the anti-Christ? :banana:

[Edited on 5-11-2005 by turmeric]
 
Originally posted by turmeric
Originally posted by kevin.carroll
Originally posted by Draught Horse
I stand with Indiana. The government has the Ark of the Covenant and is waiting to use it on Covenantal Agrarians in the Consolidarity Period (ie, when Hillary rises to Power). It is kinda like Sauron using the One Ring on the Free Peoples.

:lol: And only 3 fun-filled years to wait!

We get Hilary in 3 years? Are you guys sure the Dispensationalists are wrong about the anti-Christ? :banana:

[Edited on 5-11-2005 by turmeric]

H-I-L-A-R-Y = 6
R-O-D-H-A-M = 6
C-L-I-N-T-O-N = 7...nope doesn't work. Besides, isn't "Hillary" correct? If that were the case she needs to lose to L's...hmmmm...Bill has two L's...
 
Originally posted by kevin.carroll
Bored? What do you find interesting? (Please don't say a foreign film...:pray2:)

I just like some level of believeability in a film.;)

And now that you mention it I do like several foreign films.:P:D
 
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