PCA stated clerk keeping 'enemies list'

it is a definitive moment in his life and is probably going to be what he is remembered for.
I don't think so, today. He served the church in many capacities and roles over decades. He wrote at least one book a number of people still find helpful. Most important in thus case, he made amends and aimed to repair what he tore down, to some degree at the least. And he resigned/retired or offered to do so. In a few years, all that will be left of this public moment will be that in 2025 he laid down his final churchman's role.

If others try to keep a bad memory alive to tarnish his reputation further or for longer time, shame on them. As we want Calvin remembered for more than the Servetus execution (deservedly), Chapell should be judged on a fuller evaluation of his contributions, words and actions. On that basis he could end up disliked more than liked--I hope not. But it will be much fairer than this incident being made the key bellweather for his ministry.
 
All I know is that if we sinned if you sinned, and if I sinned egregiously, and it was found out, we would want the church's due process. Moreso, if we were in the position of Bryan. Do we have any empathy? Any sympathy? Any charity for the compromised position Bryan found himself due to unfortunate sin (yet Christ has atoned even for his lies, has he not?), made even further compromised by these vigilantes? It is that further compromise that strikes me as particularly despicable. So it is not only a corruption of justice, but of the charity that must define the Christian church.
In Psalm 19, David prays that the Lord would show him his sin. Same with Psalm 139. I believe the Lord answered those prayers for David with His servant, Nathan. While David knew he had sinned against Bathsheba and Uriah (one of his mighty men!), he needed Nathan to proclaim it to him. And since we know of it through Scripture, it's fair to say that others became aware of the extent of David's sin, the names of his victims, and how it was exposed to him.

Additionally, Peter's rebuke in Galatians was public. And Korah? I don't know of a more rebuke than to invite the entirety of Israel to watch. It is a mercy for egregious, unrepentant sins to be found out. Having our sins found out and declared to us is often the way in which God will expose those sins that we have buried and attempted to cover on our own - before He covers the sin with His mercy, He will uncover it (Psalm 32:1-7). He will do it publicly when necessary. Bryan's exposure was not outside of God's providence.

We cannot consider the Post-it note something minor. The peace and purity of the church are important, and unity within the church is a major thematic element throughout all of scripture, while it is certainly explicit in the Old Testament, you cannot escape its gravitational pull in the New Testament. We see this especially in the letters of Paul. Consider Titus 3 - Paul gives a long list of former sins. He gives the good news of God's grace, and then gives extreme words of caution regarding specific sins - controversy, strife, and division.

Or Jude - the false teachers in Jude are guilty of horrible things. Towards the end of the letter, Jude focuses on their identity. I believe the first time he gives a direct statement about who they are, he says they are "grumblers" (predicate nominative). Then, in verse 19, Jude further describes them as "the dividing ones" (another predicate nominative). He could call them all sorts of things, but in the context of the letter, these seeds of division are given prominence. And Jude's advice to the church confirms this - the next verse gives instruction regarding the "building up" of the body in the most holy faith. Of all the sins, of all the comparisons, of all the issues that are given regarding the false teachers (and there are a lot), Jude's conclusion highlights division and the church's call to unity.

Also, for what it's worth, I know that I never want my sins exposed when I'm in the middle of them. But I have prayed that God would be quick to send me a Nathan. I recommend the same for everyone.

For my part, Bryan Chapell's statement of resignation and apology to those he offended leaves me with the same perspective of him I had before. I'm appreciative of his service to the PCA, trust the Lord will continue to use him, and consider him a brother, just as before. I'll continue to recommend/give others books, without qualification, especially his short work on Infant Baptism. Because he is a brother, because I appreciate him, I am grateful he was exposed, as that attitude left unchecked would fester and cause damage to him and the church. It's good, for the church and Chapell.
 
All, the list was visible on pause. I can tell a couple or more names as it is. While it is blurred out now, it likely clearly showed ink when it was flashed, though that can't be verified now. But originally, it certainly invited getting closer scrutiny to make out the names. Being public, someone should have, and did, contact the show to tell them it is visible and so it was subsequently blurred. But the list was seen; it was at that point public. And someone or more than one should have, and did, start contacting those visible on the list to let them know they had been slandered. Whether those slandered, such as Andy Webb, should have made contact privately, or immediately gone public, was their call, being publicly slandered (Matthew 18 not required; public matters require immediate as possible addressing). At the time Andy posted, I do not believe the list had been blurred yet, or Andy didn't have any reason to believe it had, he didn't mention it, because folks started reporting that it had been blurred in the comments on Andy's FB post. Seeing how clear the list is in the still, before any zoom, I'm not sure the person or persons who did the capture and sent it to people like Andy did wrong. Though a person commented he wished he hadn't contacted Andy. As far as I know, it was once Andy, one of those slandered, posted, that others, not on the list, starting sharing the matter publicly and commenting on the list. I'm unwilling to fault those slandered for going public. If the order of events was different or if others other than Andy simply shared the list first on social media, maybe there is some culpability for some other than Chapel, but it pales in comparison and was hardly the crying sin here.
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Thanks for that. I wasn't aware it was that visible in the original. Based on this information, I retract my previous position. Only Chapel is to blame for putting everything in the open.
 
I don't think so, today. He served the church in many capacities and roles over decades. He wrote at least one book a number of people still find helpful. Most important in thus case, he made amends and aimed to repair what he tore down, to some degree at the least. And he resigned/retired or offered to do so. In a few years, all that will be left of this public moment will be that in 2025 he laid down his final churchman's role.

If others try to keep a bad memory alive to tarnish his reputation further or for longer time, shame on them. As we want Calvin remembered for more than the Servetus execution (deservedly), Chapell should be judged on a fuller evaluation of his contributions, words and actions. On that basis he could end up disliked more than liked--I hope not. But it will be much fairer than this incident being made the key bellweather for his ministry.
Excellently said. Even if it took a bit for him to recognize the gravity of what he did, it appears that Dr. Chapell has by now reached a point of genuine humility and repentance. If he is allowed to retire in peace, then I hope we can remember the repentance more than the scandal; that's certainly all that will be remembered in heaven! And in the meantime, it's a good reminder to all sorts of men in authority in the church that the purity and peace of the church are more important than their own ministries--something we can all be prone to forget. I will be forever grateful for his example here, whatever other problems I may have had with him.
 
Can anyone provide some insight into this statement from the most recent article posted?:

"The committee acknowledges the need for reconciliation and healing between the PCA and some of its sister denominations, as well as specific ministers and members within them. Appropriate steps will be taken to ensure our fellow Reformed and Presbyterian branches of Christ’s church know our deep love for them and desire to continue work alongside them for the advance of Christ’s Kingdom."

Is this related specifically to Chapell or is it a bigger thing? If the latter, it seems odd to have it there, but I can't say I know much of anything about the NAPARC and its history.
 
Can anyone provide some insight into this statement from the most recent article posted?:

"The committee acknowledges the need for reconciliation and healing between the PCA and some of its sister denominations, as well as specific ministers and members within them. Appropriate steps will be taken to ensure our fellow Reformed and Presbyterian branches of Christ’s church know our deep love for them and desire to continue work alongside them for the advance of Christ’s Kingdom."

Is this related specifically to Chapell or is it a bigger thing? If the latter, it seems odd to have it there, but I can't say I know much of anything about the NAPARC and its history.
Some of the men on the list were ministers in other NAPARC denominations and call them apostate, etc., by implication (Chapel said all on the list were) caused quite a stir in those denominations.
 
I am not sure it is so clear. In our day, I am not sure why someone would show something to a camera and not realize that someone could screenshot and publicize. It is the internet MO. Surely he knew, but it just didn't come to his mind at the time. This is why we must pray for wisdom and sound judgment at all times.
He said and did something wrong. He showed something to a camera. It was bad judgment, and now he must face the consequences.

Precisely.

This is the stated clerk of the largest confessionally Reformed denomination in North America, going on camera for an interview intended to be seen by large numbers of people. He held up the note to the camera. It wasn't sitting somewhere in the background where he didn't intend it to be seen, which would have been a problem also, but this was deliberate.

If he didn't know the consequences of deliberately holding something up on camera and showing it to people watching -- hundreds at minimum, and probably thousands, and likely tens of thousands, even without this controversy -- that is its own set of problems.

Malice or incompetence. Take your pick.

Repentance was necessary. Given the uproar and chaos caused, resignation may have been unavoidable. While I think that remains a matter of prudence and not absolute principle, I can't see any way he could have avoided a huge fight at the PCA General Assembly if he'd tried to remain in office. If he'd somehow survived, imagine the problems caused for the PCA with a number of other denominations. Given the age involved, resignation from the stated clerk post and retirement from the ministry was probably the best course of action

My read is that his repentance is sincere. Why? The injured parties, many of whom have a long history of "tangling" with him, have accepted it as sincere. I'll trust their evaluation since they know him, and in some cases probably know him pretty well and have no reason to trust him other than being convinced by him, in personal conversations, of his sincere repentance.

This is the PCA, not the PC(USA) or the UCC. We should treat denominational officials as brothers and accept the sincerity of their repentance apart from clear evidence to the contrary. I'd say different things in some other denominations, but if Chapell believes what he wrote in his books, he's a believer and needs to be treated as a believer.
 
Late to the party, I know. I studied under Bryan at CTS when he was (in my opinion) hitting his stride as a teacher of homiletics— 1996-2000. This incident was a public act of ministerial misfeasance and imprudence. Most office holders in the church have been there; we publicly say something imprudent, and then, ex post facto, find ourselves in quicksand. When this occurs, public repentance is requisite. I’ve been there, and it’s not fun. I think his response via resignation is appropriate. As for his motives—no one knows his heart but Bryan and the Lord. On a larger point, I found his AC clerkship a case of a man not staying in his lane. As a professor he was excellent. He forced us, as student preachers, into an exegetical/expositional straight-jacket; you’d better be able to prove that your thesis, main points, sub-points, illustrations, and applications were all derived from the text. The main text. You could, as you progressed in the curriculum, move to an ancillary and supportive text. But before you made that rhetorical move, the point had to be proven from the primary text with which you dealt. I found his insistence on rhetorical discipline both bracing and rewarding. Ask anyone who studied at CTS in that era, and they’ll agree on how strict he was. Many chafed at this. Personally, I relished it.
 
I must confess: I have a PB list. I will post it in partial for transparency's sake:

@Joshua - failure to bathe regularly or to use cologne
@SolaScriptura- failure to keep beard under control
@J.L. Allen - failure of exodus; not taking fellow prisoners from Illinois
@greenbaggins = making someone else's list!
Legal migration from Illinois to Indiana is welcomed! Actually, Greg, you could claim asylum, seeing that you're close enough to Chi-raq. ;)
 
The writer of the letter misses the point. This isn't about perpetuating cancel culture or the like; it certainly isn't a denial of forgiveness. Reconciliation and restoration is being achieved, all while recognizing that the natural outworking of the scandal results in Dr. Chappell taking the appropriate step to resign his position.
 
In what insane world is being stated clerk something that is not relinquished with a measure of relief?
 
In what insane world is being stated clerk something that is not relinquished with a measure of relief?
A world where the office has too much honor and power attached? Maybe?

But at this point the soon to be former stated clerk is not the problem (not quite sure when it takes affect; may have already). It's his friends who don't want to see him out of the position. He did the right and honorable thing; don't they realize they are essentially asking him to sully that by encouraging him to retract it?
 
Can anyone in PCA or NAPARC say if this letter will carry any weight?
Ammunition to try to sway the 'Go along/get along crowd'.

It's his friends who don't want to see him out of the position. He did the right and honorable thing; don't they realize they are essentially asking him to sully that by encouraging him to retract it?

Given Dr. Chapell's sterling resume (but for his recent indiscretion), one of his supporters should step up and offer him a "Theologian in Residence' post at their church.
 
The sleeping dog is not left to lie:

Can anyone in PCA or NAPARC say if this letter will carry any weight?
This letter doesn't bother me to the same degree as the one from David Coffin--it at least acknowledges Dr. Chapell's wrongdoing. And I can see where the, "Let's let the world see forgiveness!" impulse comes from, even if, in this case, it's misguided, and evidences a lack of understanding of what forgiveness does and does not entail.

But still ... the man is not being fired. He is resigning, voluntarily. It's not punitive, and shouldn't be viewed as such. It's the right course of action to try to repair some of the damage that has been done as a consequence of Dr. Chapell's sin. It's the wise course in order to preserve the peace of the church. Forgiveness doesn't mean pretending that it never happened.

(not quite sure when it takes affect; may have already)
The AC accepted his resignation, effective immediately, so Dr. Chapell's time as stated clerk officially ended at that meeting. The fact that his resignation is already done makes me think it highly unlikely that any attempt to reinstate him will get any traction. And I doubt that Dr. Chapell himself wants it.
 
I did notice another live thread about a man in Central Florida presbytery where a commission found him guilty, of among other things of 'Slandering and/or demeaning other servants and churches of our Lord'
 
I did notice another live thread about a man in Central Florida presbytery where a commission found him guilty, of among other things of 'Slandering and/or demeaning other servants and churches of our Lord'
The case to which you are referring was not about a single offense, but rather about a broader pattern of harsh, quarrelsome behavior, apparently toward both his session and his congregation. That man has been censured once before for a similar offense, having been admonished back in 2019.
 
Given Dr. Chapell's sterling resume (but for his recent indiscretion), one of his supporters should step up and offer him a "Theologian in Residence' post at their church.

That actually is one of the best suggestions I've heard yet of what to do with Dr. Chapell.

I am not a fan of his for a long list of reasons, many of which are not really his fault but rather saying that he fits the PCA well. Many of my criticisms of and concerns with Dr. Chapell would be made about his denomination (or better put, what his denomination puts up with), not just about him. Furthermore, I place a strong emphasis on personal conversion and an emphasis on deep personal conviction of sin that would generally be considered to be "too Puritan" for Chapell. That means even on the area where Chapell is most appreciated, namely, his teaching on how to train young men to preach, I am in fundamental disagreement with him on both specific methodology and general goals and approaches to implementing those goals.

Beyond that, I've seen some of what he did at Covenant Seminary and it's hard for me think that he would not have had a huge fight with Abraham Kuyper if Kuyper had been the editor of a daily newspaper and a weekly church magazine reporting on church affairs, and founder of a university that included a seminary (i.e., what Kuyper actually was doing in the Netherlands) and Kuyper had turned his attention and his pen to Covenant Seminary and the Missouri Presbytery, if they had existed in the Netherlands in the late 1800s and early 1900s. There are a number of things Chapell has said, almost off the cuff as if he considered them to be not just normal but obvious common sense, that violate what in an earlier era would be considered basic principles of Reformed church government and how the three spheres of the family, the church, and the civil magistrate are to interact and are limited in what they can and should do.

HOWEVER -- Chapell is a well-known figure. He's going to keep writing, and if he doesn't, he should, because his legacy will be written about and commented on by others.

His actions have made it impossible for him to remain as a representative of the PCA, and it would not surprise me if part of why some in the PCA General Assembly voted to adopt the ARP statement on "kinism," rather than appointing a PCA study committee, was to express appreciation to the ARP and RPCNA, two of the denominations to which prominent ministers transferred who used to be in the PCA and were on Chapell's "hit list."

But Chapell can continue to be useful. Becoming a "theologian in residence," i.e., a retired pastor officially endorsed by a prominent church for a teaching and writing ministry, is a way for Chapell to continue his work (much of which I disagree with, frankly) and to do it, not as a "lone ranger," but under the formal endorsement and auspices of a major local PCA.

He can't do that officially for the PCA anymore, so he shouldn't be in that role at Covenant Seminary.

But he could perform that role, and quite possibly do it quite well, as a "theologian in residence" at a large and prominent PCA that shares his views and his approaches to how men should preach and how denominations and local churches should operate.

Again, I'm not endorsing Dr. Chapell or his views. I am in fundamental disagreement with him, far greater disagreement than the issue which ended his role as stated clerk. I've had this conversation repeatedly with a number of his former students, including men who agree with me on most conservative issues but like Chapell's approach to preaching.

But for better or for worse, Chapell represents a major stream in the PCA. That is, I think, why some of his supporters tried to keep him from being "cancelled."

Fine. Put him in an official role in a major PCA congregation, one large enough and important enough for its endorsement of him to carry weight, and have him continue that role under the auspices of a local church and its pastor and elders. That would be a better outcome than what may otherwise happen, namely, him writing books and articles and having his defenders say, "That's only one man's opinion," and his opponents say, "this is his presbytery's fault for tolerating him."

Personally I wish Dr. Chapell would just go into retirement, fish, plant flowers, or something else, so his books and his actions get forgotten. That's probably not going to happen.

Since that's probably not going to happen, let him keep writing but do it with some level of official status, not as an individual, and MOST EMPHATICALLY NOT as "the retired PCA stated clerk," which, while true, implies PCA denomination endorsement which would not be true.
 
Eccl. 10:20, "Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber: for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter."

Wise men in public positions should know what might eventuate and act accordingly. Don't blame the "bird of the air." Blame the person whose voice is being carried on virtual wings.
Who knew that the Bible even addresses Twitter (bird of the air)!
 
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