Possible help with 2 Greek Words.

[davejonescue]

Hello all. I just received the Greek list back from the gentleman that has been doing them for me, for Vermigli's Common Places. There were over 300 words for Pts. I & II, but he was unable to do the following two words due to the quality of the original facsimile, which to my knowledge is the only publicly available version of it. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you all in advance.





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[Phil D.]

Is it possible to provide facsimiles of the full pages you are working from?

 

[davejonescue]

Is it possible to provide facsimiles of the full pages you are working from?

Yes, give me a moment.

 

[davejonescue]

Is it possible to provide facsimiles of the full pages you are working from?

 

[Phil D.]

Sorry, no joy. I'm evidently loosing my capabilities...

 

[NaphtaliPress]

It may be possible to get clearer Greek if you can tie the place to a better/clearer Latin edition. However, I can't make sense of the difference in divisions and chapter numbers. https://books.google.com/books?id=HgI-AAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[davejonescue]

It may be possible to get clearer Greek if you can tie the place to a better/clearer Latin edition. However, I can't make sense of the difference in divisions and chapter numbers. https://books.google.com/books?id=HgI-AAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

That was my problem when looking to the Latin version myself. It does have much clearer script, but it is way too difficult for me to try and list and keep along.

 

[NaphtaliPress]

Is there a Greek word you got transcribed close to these; maybe try searching. Long shot but a lot of times Google has ocr'd the text correctly and you can hit on the Greek. Then look for similar scriptures or sideheadings to the Latin.

 

[davejonescue]

Is there a Greek word you got transcribed close to these; maybe try searching. Long shot but a lot of times Google has ocr'd the text correctly and you can hit on the Greek. Then look for similar scriptures or sideheadings to the Latin.

I will check that out, I never thought of that.

 

[Phil D.]

Having had my dinner...

Based on the marginal rendering (...somewhat strange...) I'm pretty sure the word in the first case is πάναιχρης - seemingly a variation within a word group that would include πάναισχρος and παναίσχης, meaning utterly ugly - in which case it would correspond to the specific term "altogether deformed" in the translation of Vermigli. I seem to recall encountering that same unconventional font for η during a not-too-long-ago inquiry for one of Chris' projects...

 

[davejonescue]

Having had my dinner...

Based on the marginal rendering (...somewhat strange...) I'm pretty sure the word in the first case is πάναιχρης - seemingly a variation within a word group that would include πάναισχρος and παναίσχης, meaning utterly ugly - in which case it would correspond to the specific term "altogether deformed" in the translation of Vermigli. I seem to recall encountering that same unconventional font for η during a not-too-long-ago inquiry for one of Chris' projects...

Thank you so much.

 

[Phil D.]

Now that I've had me another dinner...

Based on the much clearer copy and more conventional characters in the Latin Loci (London, 1576), the second phrase is, πεπρωμένιν ἀπὅ τοῦ πεπεράτῶσθαι. The Latin reads, "Graeci providentiam rectè appellauerunt πεπρωμένιν ἀπὅ τοῦ πεπεράτῶσθαι, quòd per omnia transeat - The Greeks rightly called providence πεπρωμένιν ἀπὅ τοῦ πεπεράτῶσθαι, because it passes through all things."

This is pretty clearly a paraphrased expression derived from (pseudo) Aristotle's De Mundo (The Cosmos; 7.3): Πεπρωμένην δε, δια το πεπερατωσθαι παντα. This phrase has been translated in close accord with the rendering in Vermigli, "[Zeus is called] Fate, because he passes through everything." Another translation I found is, "...Fate, because his actions are continuous."

 

[davejonescue]

Now that I've had me another dinner...

Based on the much clearer copy and more conventional characters in the Latin Loci (London, 1576), the second phrase is, πεπρωμένιν ἀπὅ τοῦ πεπεράτῶσθαι. The Latin reads, "Graeci providentiam rectè appellauerunt πεπρωμένιν ἀπὅ τοῦ πεπεράτῶσθαι, quòd per omnia transeat - The Greeks rightly called providence πεπρωμένιν ἀπὅ τοῦ πεπεράτῶσθαι, because it passes through all things."

This is pretty clearly a paraphrased expression derived from (pseudo) Aristotle's De Mundo (The Cosmos; 7.3): Πεπρωμένην δε, δια το πεπερατωσθαι παντα. This phrase has been translated in close accord with the rendering in Vermigli, "[Zeus is called] Fate, because he passes through everything." Another translation I found is, "...Fate, because his actions are continuous."

Thank you so much. This is much more than I could ever have expected.