Would EPC split

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Calvinbeza

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The EPC has conservative churches, charismatic evangelical churches and with the influx of the PCUSA, liberal churches.

Would you think, that EPC could split because this?
 
There is a semi-Arminian, charismatic group, one of my friend who formerly attended an EPC church said, that in EPC Calvinism was not thought, it was optional.
 
Thanks Scott
Recently one of my friend told me that a PCUSA church in Southern Mississippi vats to join PCA? Do you know the name of this church?
 
I'm currently a member of an EPC congregation, and I'm familiar with elders (yeah, elders) in the EPC who are unaware that the Westminster Standards are the official doctrines of the church and have never read them, let alone truly affirm the teaching therein. I'm also aware of a pastor in an EPC church that has no qualms preaching on the total inability of man and the effectual calling of the Spirit, but that is rare and not likely sustainable in the denomination in a whole.

I'm seeing the liberalism seep into the pores of the denomination, so I think it's likely that either members will start to leave as the liberalism continues to grow, or entire churches will break out and join another denomination like the PCA or OPC - although I kind of fear for that because that's what I'm seeing in the EPC - as PC(USA) churches leave, bringing remnants of their liberalism, liberals become elders and change the direction of the presbytery/GA.

Of course, it's purely speculation.
 
I may be wrong or wrong now, but when I was working on compiling a critical text of the Westminster Standards, I was told that the EPC only holds to a modernized version of the Confession; neither catechism is a part of their doctrinal standards. As far as effects of EPCs joining the PCA, the PCA was unmoored from being a confession holding church when good faith subscription was passed over the objections of the conservative minority.
 
I may be wrong or wrong now, but when I was working on compiling a critical text of the Westminster Standards, I was told that the EPC only holds to a modernized version of the Confession; neither catechism is a part of their doctrinal standards.

Just looking at the Book of Order for the EPC (2013-2014 edition), it appears that the Catechisms are required. I don't know if there has been a change, or if your source was just incorrect. It looks like perhaps the latter.

See the Preface, Section 13-6 (revised 6/02) (Ordination of TEs), Section 14-1 (Ordination and Installation of Officers) (a couple of instances showing a 5/02 revision, a couple not indicating that they have been revised at all), Book of Discipline 4-1
http://www.epc.org/file/main-menu/resources/download-epc-doc/book-of-order-2013-14.pdf
 
I just wanted to say that the EPC is very heterogenous group with conservatives, charismatics and ex-PCUSA liberals. I am curious how long could they stay toogether.
 
The PCA is a mixed group of confessionalists, conservatives, progressives and everything in between. I wonder the same thing about it.
 
The Catechisms are in fact part of the constitutional documents of the EPC.

The Westminster Confession of Faith and Catechisms has been our doctrinal foundation since our beginnings in 1981. Two versions are available for use in the EPC (one being modern language). EPC ministers, Ruling Elders, and Deacons take a vow on their ordination saying that they “receive and adopt the Westminster Confession of Faith and Catechisms as containing the system of doctrine taught in the Scriptures."

Not to kick up a hornets nest here, but the EPC is like a theological halfway house. Some churches moving in become "more conservative," such as mine, although its certainly not perfect, still suffering from decades of egalitarianism, but becoming less egalitarian consciously. Likewise, some Churches leaving the PCUSA may make their new Presbyteries "more liberal." I heard a few comments from TE's at the last Generally Assembly that made me shake my head. Its a mixed bag. Churches leaving the PCUSA are often more theologically conservative than one might suspect (or else why would they be leaving and litigating?), despite having had "top down" egalitarianism forced upon them or accepting it willingly. For instance, If I recall correctly correctly, my Presbytery has a majority of former PCUSA churches, yet just voted to not accept female teaching elders. Some churches go into EPC and become more "theologically conservative," some do not. Also, having been through the process, EPC does not just take "any PCUSA church that wants to leave." However, it probably seems that way from the outside.
 
. Some churches go into EPC and become more "theologically conservative," some do not. Also, having been through the process, EPC does not just take "any PCUSA church that wants to leave." However, it probably seems that way from the outside.

Some of these churches leaving PCUSA do not even know, or read the Westminster Confession.In the PCUSA there is a Book of Confessions, WCF is not the primary standard after Bible
 
The PCA is a mixed group of confessionalists, conservatives, progressives and everything in between. I wonder the same thing about it.

I agree, but in the EPC are liberals, not so very liberals, liberals, moderate, bit conservative, moderate conservative. Evan there are Presbyteries, that covers the same part of region, but one of them ordains women, the other one not
 
I wonder how many PCA churches regularly teach from the Westminster Standards; or more to the point, how many do not? It was clear in the downgrade in the PCUS that lack of teaching and upholding the standards led to their eventual apostasy, long before they abandoned them by any act.
 
Edward is asking why all these little bits of information about churches no one here knows much about is so very important for you to know.
 
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