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Originally posted by Scott
What is a brief description of how and why Christianity supports logic?
Originally posted by natewood3
Did God create logic or is logic part of God's eternal nature? If God created logic, was there a time when A and not-A were the same thing at the same time?
Thanks. That is a good summary.God created Logic and thinks in a Logical fashion. We think in a manner that is in the likeness of how God thinks, but with succession and contemplation (God does not have to think successive thoughts nor contemplate). We are to think logically and recognize that there is an invariant, transcendental universal known as "Logic" or the "Laws of Logic," as being the manner of rational thought created by God Himself.
Originally posted by Scott
Thanks. That is a good summary.God created Logic and thinks in a Logical fashion. We think in a manner that is in the likeness of how God thinks, but with succession and contemplation (God does not have to think successive thoughts nor contemplate). We are to think logically and recognize that there is an invariant, transcendental universal known as "Logic" or the "Laws of Logic," as being the manner of rational thought created by God Himself.
Why do we believe that Christianity teaches this?
God created Logic and thinks in a Logical fashion. We think in a manner that is in the likeness of how God thinks, but with succession and contemplation (God does not have to think successive thoughts nor contemplate). We are to think logically and recognize that there is an invariant, transcendental universal known as "Logic" or the "Laws of Logic," as being the manner of rational thought created by God Himself.
Originally posted by Laura
It seems that things get pretty messy when we say that God created logic...why not simply say that the laws of logic are like a pattern after the form in which God thinks (eternally)?
The Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter IV
Of Creation
II. After God had made all other creatures, he created man, male and female,[4] with reasonable and immortal souls,[5] endued with knowledge, righteousness, and true holiness, after his own image;[6] having the law of God written in their hearts,[7] and power to fulfill it:[8] and yet under a possibility of transgressing, being left to the liberty of their own will, which was subject unto change.[9] Beside this law written in their hearts, they received a command, not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; which while they kept, they were happy in their communion with God,[10] and had dominion over the creatures.[11]
4. Gen 1:27
5. Gen. 2:7; Eccl. 12:7; Luke 23:43; Matt. 10:28
6. Gen. 1:26; Col. 3:10; Eph. 4:24
7. Rom. 2:14-15
8. Gen. 2:17; Eccl. 7:29
9. Gen. 3:6, 17
10. Gen. 2:17; 2:15-3:24
11. Gen. 1:28-30; Psa. 8:6-8
Originally posted by BobVigneault
God's thinking is best described as hyper-logic of which logic as we know it is a shadow or extenision of God's hyper-logic. Hyper-logic takes place in an infinitely multi-dimensional environment which is the mind of God. Logic was indeed created for the specific purpose of revelaton. Hyper-logic however is the reasoning of God and is pre-eternal.
I made all of this up. I'm calling dibs on 'hyper-logic'. Perhaps I'll right the book.
Originally posted by Magma2
Originally posted by BobVigneault
God's thinking is best described as hyper-logic of which logic as we know it is a shadow or extenision of God's hyper-logic. Hyper-logic takes place in an infinitely multi-dimensional environment which is the mind of God. Logic was indeed created for the specific purpose of revelaton. Hyper-logic however is the reasoning of God and is pre-eternal.
I made all of this up. I'm calling dibs on 'hyper-logic'. Perhaps I'll right the book.
Maybe when you write that book you'll explain what hyper-logic is and how you know God thinks in these mysterious and unexplained forms? Also, what does pre-eternal mean? Sounds like an oxymoron. :bigsmile:
Originally posted by Magma2
God created Logic and thinks in a Logical fashion. We think in a manner that is in the likeness of how God thinks, but with succession and contemplation (God does not have to think successive thoughts nor contemplate). We are to think logically and recognize that there is an invariant, transcendental universal known as "Logic" or the "Laws of Logic," as being the manner of rational thought created by God Himself.
If logic is created then was there a time prior to its creation when God did not think logically?
Originally posted by LadyFlynt
Is this what is meant by "reasonable soul"
Shorter Catechism Q 22
Q: How did Christ, being the Son of God, become man?
A: Christ, the Son of God, became man, by taking to himself a true body, and a reasonable soul,1 being conceived by the power of the Holy Ghost, in the womb of the Virgin Mary, and born of her,2 yet without sin.3
Originally posted by ChristianTrader
Originally posted by Magma2
God created Logic and thinks in a Logical fashion. We think in a manner that is in the likeness of how God thinks, but with succession and contemplation (God does not have to think successive thoughts nor contemplate). We are to think logically and recognize that there is an invariant, transcendental universal known as "Logic" or the "Laws of Logic," as being the manner of rational thought created by God Himself.
If logic is created then was there a time prior to its creation when God did not think logically?
Two points/questions,
1)For your objection to have teeth, you would have to believe that time is eternal and God did not create it. I should hope that no one here believes such. If one believes that time is created, then bringing logic in at the same time is not a problem.
2)What does thinking logically mean when applied to God?
Originally posted by LadyFlynt
Originally posted by LadyFlynt
Is this what is meant by "reasonable soul"
Shorter Catechism Q 22
Q: How did Christ, being the Son of God, become man?
A: Christ, the Son of God, became man, by taking to himself a true body, and a reasonable soul,1 being conceived by the power of the Holy Ghost, in the womb of the Virgin Mary, and born of her,2 yet without sin.3
No one has an answer for a simple question?
If logic is created then was there a time prior to its creation when God did not think logically?
Two points/questions,
1)For your objection to have teeth, you would have to believe that time is eternal and God did not create it. I should hope that no one here believes such. If one believes that time is created, then bringing logic in at the same time is not a problem.
2)What does thinking logically mean when applied to God?
No definitions are necessary Sean. My target audience will be young pastors who want to make a quick name for themselves. "Hyper-logic" and "Pre-eternal" are buzzwords, or rather the new fad is to call them 'nuances'. These young theologs will use these nuanced words and never define them. They will put down anyone who calls for definitions by accusing the inquisitors of 'a lack of sophistry' and 'pharisaical heresy hunting'. I will point out that Augustine, Calvin and even Paul himself used these hellinistic concepts but never actually named them.
Don't stop me now Sean, there is a bundle of cash to be made here. So watch who you call an 'oxymoron'. I'm a hyper-moron!
Originally posted by Laura
It seems that things get pretty messy when we say that God created logic...
Originally posted by Magma2
If logic is created then was there a time prior to its creation when God did not think logically?
Two points/questions,
1)For your objection to have teeth, you would have to believe that time is eternal and God did not create it. I should hope that no one here believes such. If one believes that time is created, then bringing logic in at the same time is not a problem.
2)What does thinking logically mean when applied to God?
1. That doesn't follow. If logic is created then there was a point when it was not. As for time, I would say that it is the experience of thoughts as they pass through the minds of men -- and other created beings I suppose (although I have doubts about my dog) -- as they exist in the eternal mind of God. Consequently, I fail to see how a question of time impacts the question of whether or not the forms of logic, without which all rational thought and communication would be impossible, are created?
2. I would think it means the same thing as when applied to men.
Hope that helps.
Thank you. The trigger happy heresy hunt can move along.
Originally posted by BobVigneault
Gabe,
I've heard many a teacher refer to the Logos as the 'logic' of God. They speak as if the revelation of God in Christ is synonymous with 'The Logic". Is there a speck of truth in that? Is it good exegesis or is it just wishful thinking?
If time had a starting point, would it be proper to say that God existed before time began? That seems plblematic b/c "before" is a word related to time. If not, then how does one accurately describe the situation?1)For your objection to have teeth, you would have to believe that time is eternal and God did not create it. I should hope that no one here believes such.
Originally posted by Magma2
Thank you. The trigger happy heresy hunt can move along.
I don't see why you have to be so touchy? As for my part I was just trying to press you to see the kinds of problems that arise if you say logic is created. John 1:1 tells us that the eternal Logos or Logic was God, so it would seem that logic is uncreated.
Originally posted by Scott
If time had a starting point, would it be proper to say that God existed before time began? That seems plblematic b/c "before" is a word related to time. If not, then how does one accurately describe the situation?1)For your objection to have teeth, you would have to believe that time is eternal and God did not create it. I should hope that no one here believes such.
Originally posted by WrittenFromUtopia
God doesn't think the same way we do, because He uses no succession or syllogisms in His thought. All He thinks simply is. There are no premises and conclusions, deduction or induction, etc. within God's thought. So, like I said, God created Logic, the way in which we, as creatures, think in the likeness of God, who is completly rational - but on an altogether different level.