Muslims' Rights to Build Mosques?

Discussion in 'Cults & World Religions' started by scottmaciver, Apr 25, 2018.

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  1. Rutherglen1794

    Rutherglen1794 Puritan Board Sophomore

    That response, however so true, does nothing to stop the building of the mosque. Does it stop there?

    Edit: What I mean is besides using the aforementioned spiritual weapons. Should civic action be taken?
     
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  2. Wayne

    Wayne Tempus faciendi, Domine.

  3. Von

    Von Puritan Board Freshman

    Am I correct to summarise your whole post as follows:
    The government is suppose to do something, whilst the church follow the path of reformation of herself, preaching the gospel unto repentance and lawful petitioning.
     
  4. Joshua

    Joshua Administrator Staff Member

    I am saying that every man is responsible -according to place, station, and respective sphere of influence- for being mindful of his duties as required by the Law of God, and endeavor toward full obedience thereunto. Inferiors to their superiors, superiors to inferiors, and equals to equals.
     
  5. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

  6. Parakaleo

    Parakaleo Puritan Board Sophomore

    It astounds me that believers could think it is acceptable that civil authorities should perish and go to God, and bear the awful judgment for their approval of public idolatry in their lands, being completely unchallenged by the church in this life. Even more, that they should go to God and actually be able to claim the church stood with them in countenancing gross and public wickedness amidst their people.
     
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  7. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

    All Men are commanded to repent. That means from the highest station to the lowest.

     
  8. Von

    Von Puritan Board Freshman

    I think I am convinced and subsequently convicted by what you have said.
     
  9. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    Those who are not Christian in leadership would not be concerned with doing the right thing as per the scriptures, and those who are say the Pastor of the Christian church can let his feelings be known, but still cannot block Mosque from being built , not unless the authorities in government agreed to block it.
     
  10. Parakaleo

    Parakaleo Puritan Board Sophomore

    This might be the closest to the truth I have seen from you on this subject, yet. Replace a few words and you'll be there.

    "The pastor of the Christian church can has a duty to let his feelings be known declare the judgment of God against idolatry in all its forms."

    Wouldn't you agree?
     
  11. Joshua

    Joshua Administrator Staff Member

    Brother, let the Word of God be the informer of your conscience and practice. I am grateful that you think I’ve been of help, but I simply think that a logical thinking through of the commandments, with reference to the other Scriptures aforeferences- cannot be gainsayed, and that’s not a source from my own cracked brain (praise be to God).
     
  12. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    Unlike that Christian nation, invaded and destroyed by the United States, which had the following preamble to its Constitution:

     
  13. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    All under the banner of having institutionalized slavery.
     
  14. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    Yes, as its not just the pastors, but all Christians who should be sounding the alarm of the false religion of Islam.
     
  15. Joshua

    Joshua Administrator Staff Member

    We will not turn the thread into an argument about such patently false sweeping generalizations as this. Stick with the subject. :judge:
     
  16. Rutherglen1794

    Rutherglen1794 Puritan Board Sophomore

    :flamingscot:
     
  17. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    I am not trying to do anything, but did not the Southern states want to keep the institution of slavery alive?
     
  18. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    I do want to honor your request, and was willing to give them the last shot, but the yankees just won't leave it alone, and it's getting mighty difficult.
     
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  19. Andrew P.C.

    Andrew P.C. Puritan Board Junior

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  20. Stephen L Smith

    Stephen L Smith Moderator

    Andrew I have discovered one of the great mysteries of the Puritanboard. Your avatar describes you as P.C. But the answer you gave is not P.C. Is this a violation of the law of non-contradiction. Or would it be better to see it as a mystery? :rofl:
     
  21. scottmaciver

    scottmaciver Puritan Board Sophomore

    Here's a link to an ITV News piece in relation to the Stornoway mosque. Rev. Graeme Craig (Stornoway FCC) is interviewed (Here).
     
  22. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    The interviewer is seemingly baffled by Rev. Craig's response. How could anyone have such an opinion in the 21st century, right?
     
  23. Rutherglen1794

    Rutherglen1794 Puritan Board Sophomore

    Interesting.

    I think it's wrong to call any place a 'Christian' place; surely all 18,000 people on the island are not regenerate. That kind of thinking is sort of like the US south, where Christianity is merely cultural for so many, and these types of situations get muddied.

    Is there any push back against other religions on the island?

    Those two unbelieving Scots they interviewed reveal what a bigger problem may be: locals who have grown up around this "Christian island," and yet want nothing to do with Christ. Of course Christ-hating religions will be welcome there then.
     
  24. scottmaciver

    scottmaciver Puritan Board Sophomore

    Those who were interviewed weren't actually local, by that I mean that they weren't born and bred here, as you could probably tell by the accents.

    As far as the ITV reporting went in general, it was poor quality and deceitful. However, we have come to expect that from an increasingly secular and hostile national media, so it comes as no surprise.
     
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  25. TylerRay

    TylerRay Puritan Board Senior

    Indeed. The clip of Rev. Craig simply emphasized his lack of in-depth knowledge of Islam. From all appearances, they clipped the context out and just showed him, on the one hand admitting that he hasn't studied it in-depth, and on the other hand, opposing it.

    The message was clear: ignorant Christian minister opposes what he doesn't understand.

    I had the privilege of meeting Rev. Craig in March, and though I only spoke with him briefly, I think I can safely say that he is neither as foolish nor as severe as ITV tried to make him look.
     
  26. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    Maybe it'd be better to not do interviews if the media will only misrepresent the views shared.
     
  27. scottmaciver

    scottmaciver Puritan Board Sophomore

    Perhaps you're right Tom!
     
  28. Rutherglen1794

    Rutherglen1794 Puritan Board Sophomore

    Unfortunately, I don't know my regional Scottish accents. I wish I did.

    Scott, can you explain the relationship between the community and the church on the island? Do most identify as Christians? Is there a misconception of Christianity and the Church among those who were brought up in a 'religious' home there?

    If I had no responsibilities (wife, children) I would spend my days travelling every inch of Scotland, Lord willing. I could ask you 100 questions about it.
     
  29. ZackF

    ZackF Puritan Board Graduate

    Or insist that you be allowed to record the interview.
     
  30. scottmaciver

    scottmaciver Puritan Board Sophomore

    One of them was English, so that's far from anything Scottish! :)

    As far as the relationship between the community and the church goes, the majority of people would have been brought up in church, although many have stopped attending and a new generation of children are being brought up not attending church. That said there are still a lot of families in the church.

    Due to the fact that many of the non-church goers have family members in church, the community still has a reasonable respect for the church, although this has been damaged by recent church controversies. There is also a small but very vocal Secular Society, who are agitating against the Lord's Day and anything church related. However, in a recent election to the Stornoway Trust, which is a large community owned estate, none of the secular candidates, who stood on a secular card, were elected . Those elected were all church goers and it was reported in the media as "five traditionalists."
     
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