Not Click Bait: I Like Doug Wilson

the_earnest_inquirer

Puritan Board Freshman
I may be accused of being a "shock jock," but that truly is not my purpose. On this platform, I have not found a single unabashed supporter of Doug Wilson, and I guess I'm here to be the first. I won't take time (beyond this caveat) to qualify my appreciation of him any more than I would to make qualifications for my appreciation for any other Christian leader that I look up to. Doug is a good man and we need him and others like him for the advance of Christ's Kingdom. It's understandable to have some concerns and reservations, but I don't think he's exceptionally problematic as he's often construed. He's opened conversations that are crucial for any chance at reforming the American Church and society at large, and I think that many people are intimidated by him because he disrupts their tenuous sense of equilibrium founded on maintaining a PC presentation of the Bible.

All this to say, if you are a supporter of Uncle Doug and his ministry, you have a friend.

...With love and not a tinge of Moscow Mood :)
 
That's because you're on the wrong board to find many such "friends". One cannot even join PB if you are a part of the CREC unless you disavow Wilson's errors.
I may be accused of being a "shock jock," but that truly is not my purpose. On this platform, I have not found a single unabashed supporter of Doug Wilson, and I guess I'm here to be the first. I won't take time (beyond this caveat) to qualify my appreciation of him any more than I would to make qualifications for my appreciation for any other Christian leader that I look up to. Doug is a good man and we need him and others like him for the advance of Christ's Kingdom. It's understandable to have some concerns and reservations, but I don't think he's exceptionally problematic as he's often construed. He's opened conversations that are crucial for any chance at reforming the American Church and society at large, and I think that many people are intimidated by him because he disrupts their tenuous sense of equilibrium founded on maintaining a PC presentation of the Bible.

All this to say, if you are a supporter of Uncle Doug and his ministry, you have a friend.

...With love and not a tinge of Moscow Mood :)
 
If DW is a "good man," then why not embrace the Moscow Mood?

It's a tinge he's cultivated and encouraged: pugnacious, assertive, vile-in-language, self confident to the point of arrogance, resistant to correction, unaccountable.

Besides being self-ordained, DW has shown himself to be at odds with the Reformed confession on crucial doctrine. How is he competent to lead in matters theological? If he's a leader for the American church, and he's going to wear the name "Reformed" (even when he says such an identity is "not enough,") he ought minimally to be in subjection to what Reformed and Presbyterian churches confess, and be in subjection to his brethren--starting with waiting to be prepared for ministry, called to ministry by the church, then ordained by the church. If he is not reliable in basic theology, how is he judged a safe guide for "applied theology" as that is pronounced (allegedly) to befit the culture?

And why should any leader for the church in America be in consequence a leader for general society? This whole concept assumes a certain deeper mission for the church: namely that it's task on earth is to set or try to set the trend or the plan of action (agenda?) for the wider culture in which it is set. Is that what the church is to do, according to Christ and his apostles? The church and its principal leadership are as a rule set on a contrary course to that of the world; not only in its direction and morals, but also in its methods and its manners. DW displays what of the meekness and gentleness of Christ? Has DW ever countenanced "suffering for doing good," or even "going the extra mile" as a way of witness? He's advised open defiance of earthly authority, for the publicity it brings. What happened to St.Paul's admonition: to aspire to live quietly and godly?

DW is guilty of major pastoral malpractice. In addition to covering up illegal gambling operations, he came to the defense of rapist and ped0phile. He is known to blame victims for the sins against them. Rather than advocating for the strict justice standard allegedly drawn from the Bible--one he loudly promotes--that it should be applied to parties within his zone of power, as much as to those outside his sphere of influence; instead, he pleads for mercies, for reduced sentences, for leniency from the courts. Or he aims at avoiding secular courts altogether when yet actual crimes are committed by members of his church or staff at his school. He united in marriage an impressionable young lady with a man who has a lifetime probation for being a fixated child-predator. Double standards abound with DW.

What's not to like?

In a moment of major confusion for the USA and the "western world," with instability affecting the whole earth, men like DW are using bullhorns to get attention and build momentum. These are not men of principle, but pragmatists, opportunists. In other words: they are completely worldly, not otherworldly. They are ends-justifies-the-means sorts. They are not scrupulous to the scriptural injunction, particularly when it defies the "logic" of the age. The meek will inherit the earth; but in the age to come, not this present one. Lose your life now, in order to save it. Accept the plundering of your goods, for the future possession of heaven. Resist not torture, for the promise of a better resurrection.
 
He's charismatic - I'll grant that - but he's also quite slippery. He'll say something orthodox and then say something heretical in the next sentence - like a more conservative Karl Barth. Because his yes is not a yes and his no is not a no, I cannot trust what he says, even if he will occasionally say something orthodox or insightful. He has Roman errors on justification (seeing faith as obedience), an absence of the law-gospel distinction, as well as some strange subordinationist views (Christological heresies that Roman Catholics don't believe!). Aside from theology, he has actively been involved in poor behavior as mentioned above.

As someone who cherishes the sacraments and the Real, Spiritual presence of Christ in the Eucharist, as well as a Reformed position of baptismal efficacy (not regeneration, but not the essentially Zwinglian view found in many Reformed churches today), I detest Doug Wilson and the Federal Vision crowd. They are a stumbling block to the noble goal of recovering Union with Christ and the rich sacramental theology of Calvin, Vermigli, et. al -- which can be done while preserving justification by faith alone and the imputed righteousness of Christ.

Doug Wilson and Federal Vision (although he claims to not to be FV anymore) is Romanism-lite (or rather, a "Walmart version of Anglo-Catholicism") without the history or "smells and bells." Let's not be taken in by his charisma but rather be wary of his poor doctrine and bad fruit.
 
He's opened conversations that are crucial for any chance at reforming the American Church and society at large, and I think that many people are intimidated by him because he disrupts their tenuous sense of equilibrium founded on maintaining a PC presentation of the Bible.
If you think members of this board object to Wilson because he disrupts their tenuous sense of equilibrium founded on maintaining a PC presentation of the bible, I think you haven't fairly weighed the voluminous content posted here on the topic since 2007.
 
Back in the 90's, when I was a new Christian, I discovered the writing of Doug Wilson. I was thrilled. Here was a guy who was willing to be a culture warrior. With his background in philosophy, he could point out where contemporary philosophers were wrong. But in the early 2000's I began to realize that something was wrong, though I didn't understand what. Other presbyterian and reformed denominations were condemning him and Federal Vision. I also found out about blaming a rape victim and other things that appalled me.

I can't recommend him.
 
He's opened conversations that are crucial for any chance at reforming the American Church and society at large, and I think that many people are intimidated by him because he disrupts their tenuous sense of equilibrium founded on maintaining a PC presentation of the Bible.
For sake of understanding- what conversations, exactly?
 
He's opened conversations that are crucial for any chance at reforming the American Church and society at large, and I think that many people are intimidated by him because he disrupts their tenuous sense of equilibrium founded on maintaining a PC presentation of the Bible.
You must not have read our prior conversations about the man here.
 
He'll say something orthodox and then say something heretical in the next sentence - like a more conservative Karl Barth.

This is now one of my favorite sentences. All the more since I'm certain both men would hate the comparison, which is nonetheless quite apt.

Another point of contact is the fact that both (to their credit) can be very good rhetoricians and on occasion their orthodox comments are very well-put. I think I've only ever thought "man this is a great quote but it's not worth the qualifications I'd have to make" about these two specifically.
 
This is now one of my favorite sentences. All the more since I'm certain both men would hate the comparison, which is nonetheless quite apt.

Another point of contact is the fact that both (to their credit) can be very good rhetoricians and on occasion their orthodox comments are very well-put. I think I've only ever thought "man this is a great quote but it's not worth the qualifications I'd have to make" about these two specifically.
One notable difference is that there are very few, if any confessionally Reformed folk that claim Barth as a confessionally Reformed brother. For some reason, however, there are quite a few confessionally Reformed folk that claim Doug Wilson deserves the moniker. Plus, Barth is often so difficult to read that he’s almost universally relegated to seminary-educated readers anymore (especially since the church dogmatics can set you back for quite a bit of money). Wilson writes fairly popularly, most often at the lay level, which is what makes him all the more (theologically) dangerous, since laity is his target audience. Barth’s writing style requires a lot of mental effort, and Wilson’s usually doesn’t, which makes a lot of the mental “safeties” turn off while reading him.
 
Right. Why else post this?
Lol
Lol good point!

Yeah I should sue for brand name infringement :)
I'm with ya, haha!
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His defence would be, the importance of being earnest. :)
You have a point, my friend!
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Lol, brilliant!
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My take-aways:

1. Ya'll are funny. I appreciate that.
2. Ya'll are intelligent. Thanks for the input.

Much love.
 
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If you think members of this board object to Wilson because he disrupts their tenuous sense of equilibrium founded on maintaining a PC presentation of the bible, I think you haven't fairly weighed the voluminous content posted here on the topic since 2007.
Wait, we talked about DW before? LOL.
 
I won't take time (beyond this caveat) to qualify my appreciation of him any more than I would to make qualifications for my appreciation for any other Christian leader that I look up to. Doug is a good man and we need him and others like him for the advance of Christ's Kingdom.
Some time ago I said, in reference to Doug, that I'm stoped-clock-right-twice-a-day kind of guy in my evaluation of fellow Christians. There I stand.
 
Put him to the test, good sir; like him in so far as he is like Christ, and your Pepsi Soda fawning will denigrate into a La Croix-esque disapointment.
 
I may be accused of being a "shock jock," but that truly is not my purpose. On this platform, I have not found a single unabashed supporter of Doug Wilson, and I guess I'm here to be the first. I won't take time (beyond this caveat) to qualify my appreciation of him any more than I would to make qualifications for my appreciation for any other Christian leader that I look up to. Doug is a good man and we need him and others like him for the advance of Christ's Kingdom. It's understandable to have some concerns and reservations, but I don't think he's exceptionally problematic as he's often construed. He's opened conversations that are crucial for any chance at reforming the American Church and society at large, and I think that many people are intimidated by him because he disrupts their tenuous sense of equilibrium founded on maintaining a PC presentation of the Bible.

All this to say, if you are a supporter of Uncle Doug and his ministry, you have a friend.

...With love and not a tinge of Moscow Mood :)
Is there anything theologically you like about him?
 
I am also highly appreciative of Pastor Wilson's written work and ministry. I admire and respect him. He is a fellow redeemed sinner, brother in the Lord, and we will spend eternity with him.

A couple of short, introductory books for those unfamiliar with his work:

Ploductivity

Covenant Household
 
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