Irishcat922
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Originally posted by Scott Bushey
David,
So the 10 commandments are abrogated?
Here is a good article on the Sabbath.
http://www.freechurch.org/holdfast_6.html
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Originally posted by Scott Bushey
David,
So the 10 commandments are abrogated?
Originally posted by Irishcat922
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
David,
So the 10 commandments are abrogated?
Here is a good article on the Sabbath.
http://www.freechurch.org/holdfast_6.html
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
David,
So the 10 commandments are abrogated?
Originally posted by Irishcat922
Here is a good article on the Sabbath.
http://www.freechurch.org/holdfast_6.html
Originally posted by just_grace
Originally posted by Ivan
What constitues breaking the sabbath?
1. Going out to eat after church?
2. Going to a movie on Sunday?
3. Doing work around the house on Sunday?
4. Cooking at home on Sunday?
5. Participating in games and sports on Sunday?
6. Watching sports or about anything on TV on Sunday?
I remember a recent discussion about professional athletes playing on Sunday and the shining example of Eric Liddel. However, is our viewing of these same athletes on a Sunday as wrong as their playing on Sunday?
Sabbath breaking? If you try to keep one law you have to keep them all. Its was for freedom that Christ set us free, we are not to get back into bondage again.
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Originally posted by just_grace
Originally posted by Ivan
What constitues breaking the sabbath?
1. Going out to eat after church?
2. Going to a movie on Sunday?
3. Doing work around the house on Sunday?
4. Cooking at home on Sunday?
5. Participating in games and sports on Sunday?
6. Watching sports or about anything on TV on Sunday?
I remember a recent discussion about professional athletes playing on Sunday and the shining example of Eric Liddel. However, is our viewing of these same athletes on a Sunday as wrong as their playing on Sunday?
Sabbath breaking? If you try to keep one law you have to keep them all. Its was for freedom that Christ set us free, we are not to get back into bondage again.
I guess that it would be ok then for me to exercise my freedom by murdering a few people, committing idolatry, and stealing from a bank. After all, if I try and keep any one of those laws, I have to keep them all...
Originally posted by Ivan
Originally posted by just_grace
Originally posted by Ivan
What constitutes breaking the sabbath?
1. Going out to eat after church?
2. Going to a movie on Sunday?
3. Doing work around the house on Sunday?
4. Cooking at home on Sunday?
5. Participating in games and sports on Sunday?
6. Watching sports or about anything on TV on Sunday?
I remember a recent discussion about professional athletes playing on Sunday and the shining example of Eric Liddel. However, is our viewing of these same athletes on a Sunday as wrong as their playing on Sunday?
Sabbath breaking? If you try to keep one law you have to keep them all. Its was for freedom that Christ set us free, we are not to get back into bondage again.
I think that if you are one who has come to this board as a "seeker", I could understand your statement. However, if you are one who comes to this board as a reader of the Puritans and Calvin...well, you don't understand what they wrote or you haven't read much.
Originally posted by just_grace
[I like this board because of the word Reformed
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
David,
Are the commandments of God still in effect?
Originally posted by Ivan
Originally posted by just_grace
[I like this board because of the word Reformed
Kind sir, it is more than a word.
Grace and peace to you, my dear brother in Christ.
Would you mind answering Scott's question, please?
Originally posted by just_grace
I have to go out, I am moving house soon and have things to do, I promise I will study this more thoroughly and inquire into and see if I can see what you state.
What a rude man you are sir.
I have just answered it and if I was busy with something else what is that to you. Learn some patience sir.
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*Note of interest: Josephus reports that the Essenes would not even move their bowels on the sabbath.
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Originally posted by just_grace
Originally posted by Ivan
Originally posted by just_grace
[I like this board because of the word Reformed
Kind sir, it is more than a word.
Grace and peace to you, my dear brother in Christ.
Would you mind answering Scott's question, please?
What a rude man you are sir.
I have just answered it and if I was busy with something else what is that to you. Learn some patience sir.
David
Originally posted by VirginiaHuguenot
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I agree that true Sabbath-keeping is not a list of do's and don'ts, but is exemplified in Augustine's famous saying, "Love God as do as thou wilt."
However, we can summarize the Ten Commandments as "Love God and love your neighbor" and still recognize that it is precisely a list of do's and don'ts. We need to think of God's law on both levels (the practical and the abstract).
We ought to examine ourselves as to what is so important that it would hinder our communion with the Lord on His holy day. The balance between Pharisaical legalism and antinomian looseness is a fine line to walk, but walk it we must. That is what it means to be holy in a fallen world.
[Edited on 17-1-2005 by VirginiaHuguenot]
Originally posted by Canadian Baptist
I'm sorry guys, but this thread seems just ludicrous to me. I know, I know you are trying to find out how to keep a commandment of God. But if it is applicable today, why does nobody agree on how to keep it when the scripture is quite clear in it's instructions? Where in the world, pray tell, does the scripture say or imply that the first day of the week is the SABBATH of God? The first day is not the seventh day. God gave specific commands that relate to Sabbath keeping throughout the Old Testament and there is no indication that He commanded a "one in seven principle" where we could scrap the parts we didn't like from the OT scriptures. God clearly stated "the SEVENTH day (Saturday) to be kept. So how do we get from there to keeping it on Sunday (using Sola Scriptura?)
If we do arbitrarily decide to bring it forward for today, do we then spiritualize or bend the instructions given by God for the Sabbath?... no kindling fires (heating your house or cooking), no carrying any burden out of your houses (a garbage bag maybe?), no gathering sticks (or socks for the hamper?) . Do these all become "works of necessity" in our day so that we can disregard the commands of God. What about death for breaking the Sabbath, why isn't that obeyed today? Or how do the Inuit Christians keep Sabbath from "sundown to sundown" when the sun doesn't actually set for 6 months in the Canadian North? Nehemiah said that a few profaning the Sabbath in Jerusalem, by buying and selling goods, brought God's judgment on all of the covenant people of Israel. So do we exercise church discipline on Sabbath breakers because we fear God's judgment on the church? If not, why not... if we are to be consistent Sabbath keepers. My point is that we cannot bring the shadow of Old Covenant Sabbath keeping into the light and rest of the New Covenant. I know of no one who is consistent and brings all of the Sabbaths sanctions with it into the New Covenant today anyway, yet they wrangle about football games or how many trips to the fridge will add up to a Sabbath days journey, or the old saint who was ashamed for whittling a stick on the Sabbath, or whatever else. I am not a Sabbatarian. I believe Colossians 2:16-17.
It is interesting how Calvin thunders against Sabbatarianism (Institutes II.VIII.28-34.) He promotes the Lords Day and not the Jewish Sabbath when he says "For, because it was expedient to overthrow superstition, the day sacred to the Jews was set aside; because it was necessary to maintain decorum, order, and peace in the church, another [day] was appointed for that purpose." II.VIII.33
Hope I didn't come across as disrespectful, just some musings out loud.
Originally posted by Ivan
Originally posted by just_grace
Originally posted by Ivan
Originally posted by just_grace
[I like this board because of the word Reformed
Kind sir, it is more than a word.
Grace and peace to you, my dear brother in Christ.
Would you mind answering Scott's question, please?
What a rude man you are sir.
I have just answered it and if I was busy with something else what is that to you. Learn some patience sir.
David
Sorry I upset you, David.
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
David,
Are the commandments of God still in effect?
Originally posted by just_grace
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
David,
So the 10 commandments are abrogated?
So your telling me I should not eat pork even though I fully understand that its ok for me to do so!
[Edited on 1-22-2005 by just_grace]
Originally posted by Texas Aggie
Gosh, this is such a confusing topic.... one which I have many questions. I can see clearly where Christ has necessitated a change in the law (the priesthood and animal sacrifices). I can find nothing that shows a change in the times (Sabbaths and Holy days).
I am under the belief that God instituted a lunar calendar... we have revoked that method. His days are counted sundown to sundown (that´s thrown out also). The Lord's Sabbath has also been changed (we threw that out with the resurrection). The Holy days are also gone (i.e. Easter has replaced Passover).
Now, I'm no biblical scholar but it seems to me that there is in fact a reason for all this change... is it meant to be? Is it of God?... or is it of man?... or is it of the devil? (maybe man and the devil). I have an idea.... but I really don't know.